• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:10
CET 00:10
KST 08:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
The Road to Katowice - 2022/23 Retrospective21Disasterpiece Theater: Soulkey vs sOs (2013-05-21)11WTL 2022 Winter - Regular Season Awards + Wrap-up24WTL Winter - The 2v2 Tour25WTL 2022 Winter - Regular Season Finale7
Community News
Rex leaves ONSYDE, Ryung joins4[BSL16] - RO16 Group Stage11ESL Open Cup #159: herO, Spirit, Dark win5WardiTV 2023 Opens (Monthly)1IEM Katowice 2023 - Hosts & Commentators34
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.11 Patch Released - Balance Changes Interview with RuFF at Dreamhack Atlanta 2022 IEM Katowice 2023 - Hosts & Commentators Serral leaves ENCE, joins Basilisk Rex leaves ONSYDE, Ryung joins
Tourneys
Sniper's Team League Season 2 NorCal StarFest I [Alpha Pro Series] MaxPax vs ByuN WardiTV 2023 Opens (Monthly) $5000 #PassionCraft Knockout
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] (Minigames) Raynor Party [A] [TPS RPG] Transformers: Open World (WIP) Work In Progress Melee Maps
External Content
Mutation # 354 Media Blackout Mutation # 353 Hostile Territory Mutation # 352 Railroad Switch Mutation # 351 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion UMS maps by GrizzleSyndrome BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Custom Campaign Upload SC Gathering 2023 Stockholm 13-14th may!
Tourneys
New Worlds Map Contest III: All Submissions (VOTE HERE) [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL16] - RO16 Group A - Saturday 18:00 CET Sanpao StarLeague Spring Cup S4 : Korea
Strategy
Marine rate of fire Simple Questions, Simple Answers Valkyrie dmg formula? 2v2 Spell Combos
Other Games
General Games
Final Fantasy XIV The XBox Thread Fire Emblem Destiny 2 - PC/Xbox/PS4 Frost Giant announce Stormgate
Dota 2
[DPC 23] Tour 1 Discussion Official Dota and Chess General Discussion
League of Legends
[Spring 2023] LoL E-sports General Discussion LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net [Patch Notes] Release General Discussion
Heroes of the Storm
HotS: WP and Funny Moments
Hearthstone
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Coronavirus and You Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Flash Fan Club The GoOdy Fan Club The TY Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[TV] HBO The Last Of Us series Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2022 - 2023 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2022 2021 NFL/CFB Season NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
FIFA World Cup 2022 - Knockout Stage FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 Thread
Tech Support
Left control suddenly mutes volume Red text blurry and funky blue on black text Which Gaming Laptop Should I Buy?
TL Community
Ask TL Staff Anything Happy Birthday R1CH! Is there a SQSA thread for this site?
Blogs
Hosting/casting tournies for t…
Trozz
It's that time of year YET A…
Umpteen
I'm still around doodling and…
Glider
Someone Crashed my Plane …
micronesia
A spiritual journey th…
mewithoutDrew
The Kitty Arcade Saga
MrBitter
My Goals for 2023
DeNikSSB
State of StarCraft II
Jealous
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1170 users

Announcing Apocalypse eSports!

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
MediKing
Profile Joined January 2014
United States153 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 22:56:19
January 15 2016 22:41 GMT
#1
[image loading]

Apocalypse eSports is built off the love for eSports. We plan on being big contributors to the scene, starting with our passion for StarCraft 2. Expect to see all of our guys in future teamleagues and tournaments. Our goal is to accommodate our players to LAN events to compete for championships and fame.
"Good evening ladies and gentlemen! My name is Jared "Daezen" Jahnke, and I am the President and CEO of Apocalypse eSports. As you are all now aware, Apocalypse eSports was founded by myself, and a number of talented individuals with a history in this sport. Our mission, is to succeed hands down. We currently have a 2 year plan, in which time we will build our marketability, and make the organization self sustaining. With the help of our management, and the skill of our players, I have no doubts in my mind that we will do just that. The structure of our staff is one that gives each one of us our passion, and drive to do what we love. We are currently looking forward to a few upcoming events, at which point we can truely debut the talent of this amazing organization."

[image loading]

[image loading]
Follow Welmu on ~
[image loading]Twitter [image loading]Twitch [image loading] Aligulac [image loading] Liquipedia

[image loading]
Follow MajOr on ~
[image loading]Twitter [image loading]Twitch [image loading] Aligulac [image loading] Liquipedia

[image loading]
Follow souL on ~
[image loading]Twitter [image loading] Aligulac [image loading] Liquipedia

[image loading]
Follow desRow on ~
[image loading]Twitter [image loading]Twitch [image loading] Aligulac [image loading] Liquipedia

[image loading]
Follow PandaBearMe on ~
[image loading]Twitter [image loading]Twitch [image loading] Aligulac [image loading] Liquipedia

[image loading]
Follow TeebuL on ~
[image loading] Aligulac

[image loading]
Follow Crayon on ~
[image loading]Twitter [image loading]Twitch [image loading] Aligulac [image loading] Liquipedia

[image loading]

CEO: Jared "Daezen" Jahnke
Director of eSports: Dillon "Hathrow" Palimaka
Director of PR: Monty "MediKing" Kelm
Talent Scout: AJ "DizZ" Shaw
Starcraft 2 Division Manager: Andrew "Zailyn" Martin
Starcraft 2 Assistant Manager: David "Warbattle" Seda

[image loading]

[image loading] Website: Coming Soon
[image loading] Twitter
[image loading] Liquipedia
WarreNSC2
Profile Joined April 2015
United States28 Posts
January 15 2016 22:48 GMT
#2
Nice! Hopefully this isn't another sham team.
BasetradeTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Canada1307 Posts
January 15 2016 23:00 GMT
#3
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.
Commentator
TheScriptan
Profile Joined June 2014
Lithuania152 Posts
January 15 2016 23:04 GMT
#4
On January 16 2016 07:48 WarreNSC2 wrote:
Nice! Hopefully this isn't another sham team.

So far it's not looking like one! THey look serious and promising! ^^
Full-time student! Part-time SC2 Streamer - www.twitch.tv/thescriptan
MediKing
Profile Joined January 2014
United States153 Posts
January 15 2016 23:15 GMT
#5
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


I was a volunteer SC2 manager for No Dice Gaming for some time, to gain my first real experiences in the scene. I helped out with the NDG Invitationals. My role was to make posts on TL, and to find foreign pro players to participate. I personally am unaware of any matchfixing? Shortly after the invitationals began, I actually left the team for my focus towards school. Still being good contacts with some of No Dice Gaming, I helped them find contacts for foreign pros and helped with liquipedia and TL because I like to do those things. If any matchfixing was happening, I was fully unaware and would be ashamed to hear of it.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9384 Posts
January 15 2016 23:16 GMT
#6
quite the large thread
"I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically." -iNcontroL, impersonating TLO flirting with Apollo, ASUS ROG 2012. RIP Geoff. || Pats and Jags
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10581 Posts
January 15 2016 23:40 GMT
#7
No offense I don't expect this team to last long but best of luck regardless!
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11353 Posts
January 15 2016 23:42 GMT
#8
Is this team forming because of the new WCS regulations or was this in the works for a long time?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
A_needle_jog
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
Korea (South)699 Posts
January 15 2016 23:50 GMT
#9
good luck to MajOr and Welmu (rest of people I dont know sorry )
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3949980/1/llllllllllll/
Hathrow
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada18 Posts
January 15 2016 23:52 GMT
#10
On January 16 2016 08:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
Is this team forming because of the new WCS regulations or was this in the works for a long time?



We did not form this team due to new regulations but they do play in our favor, and we have been in the works for a little under a month now.
Director of eSports for Apocalypse eSports
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3625 Posts
January 15 2016 23:55 GMT
#11
Good luck!
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
January 16 2016 00:28 GMT
#12
GL!
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
January 16 2016 00:59 GMT
#13
Oh great, another sham team that won't pay their players and the leader will go under the radar while they spend the players' money.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13545 Posts
January 16 2016 01:00 GMT
#14
best of luck!
Activate Fusion Destiny
kuan888
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada305 Posts
January 16 2016 01:07 GMT
#15
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. -Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ||| Acer.Scarlett <3
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
January 16 2016 01:12 GMT
#16
On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...


No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.
kuan888
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada305 Posts
January 16 2016 01:18 GMT
#17
On January 16 2016 10:12 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...


No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.


Just wow...
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. -Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ||| Acer.Scarlett <3
DaezenAE
Profile Joined January 2016
6 Posts
January 16 2016 01:26 GMT
#18
On January 16 2016 10:12 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...


No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.


I would actually love to clarify this if I may.

No Dice Gaming did not give power over finances to the CEO. That alone was held by the owners of the organization. The players in the organization did not have contracts signed by the CEO, but by the owners.

In regards to the korean tournaments, I wont deny it was shady, but that, in and of itself, along with being a puppet with a title, is why my tag, and monty's will never say NDG again. As far as rigging, I was unaware of any of it, and offer my apologies to any players involved if it affected you in any way. It was not a choice made by myself or monty to run them, or to continue running them.

If anyone has legit questions, myself or monty would love to answer them to the best of our knowledge.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
January 16 2016 01:42 GMT
#19
I've made a VLOG to further explain my thoughts on this new teams and my expectations as well as my aspirations
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-16 01:59:48
January 16 2016 01:59 GMT
#20
On January 16 2016 10:26 DaezenAE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 10:12 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...


No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.


I would actually love to clarify this if I may.

No Dice Gaming did not give power over finances to the CEO. That alone was held by the owners of the organization. The players in the organization did not have contracts signed by the CEO, but by the owners.

In regards to the korean tournaments, I wont deny it was shady, but that, in and of itself, along with being a puppet with a title, is why my tag, and monty's will never say NDG again. As far as rigging, I was unaware of any of it, and offer my apologies to any players involved if it affected you in any way. It was not a choice made by myself or monty to run them, or to continue running them.

If anyone has legit questions, myself or monty would love to answer them to the best of our knowledge.


Several questions.

1 - I really don't get how someone can be given the job title CEO and then state that they had no control. CEOs aren't call centre managers. Their role is to be the largest single voice in the day-to-day running of an organisation. Who are you claiming had all of this executive power? "The owners" is a very vague term - If I were less charitable I might even suspect that "The owners" are a purposefully vague bogeyman, to shift blame onto.

2 - The fact you organised your 2 year plan in a month fills me with dread and worry. Good business plans don't come together that easily or quickly. What details of this plan are you prepared to share?

3 - Before you were relabelled "CEO" your job title was eSports Manager, and you replaced someone else who used the name "Blue" - Who was this person and what sort of responsibilities did you inherit then. How did those responsibilities change when your job title was changed to CEO?

4 - Your announcement states you will make the team self-sustaining. At present that seems to say that the team isn't self sustaining. What sort of capital are you intending to run your organisation on while you make this a reality? Venture capital is historically unrealiable, and even organisations as large as MLG have failed to return on VC investments. That, coupled with a shrinking SC2 scene, that has already alienated many sponsors in the past thanks to community idiocy like "Call the sponsors" becoming a trend, does not inspire me with confidence that your org will ever become self sustaining.

5 - All of the existing teams in the Starcraft scene have other squads and have massively pared back their SC2 investments in recent years. EG and Liquid both have tiny squads compared to their peaks, and have expanded into other games. To me that says the space is not profitable, but that existing investments are worthwhile for those organisations. What kind of numbers have you crunched in order to determine your potential spend on players and promotion, and in comparison, what kind of numbers do you expect to pull in from sponsorship or other sources of revenue?

6 - Have you done the background checking necessary to ensure those numbers are achievable? Your roster contains only one prominent streamer, and his reputation is already poor, meaning his capacity for stream growth is limited. Your two big names aside from him have virtually no public visibility and retain fanbases based on their longterm involvement in the scene, so their potential for growth is also limited. The rest of your squad are unknowns in an extremely stagnant space - they are extremely unlikely to suddenly explode into the scene and win tournaments, and if they don't do that then your growth will be effectively zero.

You have a good squad, but as a sponsor I would see very little potential value in the exposure your squad can bring to my product, compared to say, Destiny, who, idiocy aside, is quite capable of introducing my products to people that have never seen them.

7 - Why do you have so many staff when your organisation hasn't played a single match? What kind of workload can you possibly be giving out to that number of people at this stage?

It's all well and good saying everyone in your org has their role, but efficient small businesses require people to wear many hats and work long hours. Lots of people organised around a small amount of actual work to do will only make sure your org falls flat on it's face.

In fact, it may well be prudent to put this question to you - It's been mentioned that all your staff are paid. Lets say that tomorrow you have the choice of firing MediKing and taking on his workload yourself, or to continue paying him when you know that will lessen your workload, but will put your organisation at financial risk, but you might be able to pull through if growth figures are strong enough to cover the wage.

Which option do you take?
In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
20:45
Best Games of SC
Serral vs herOLIVE!
Reynor vs Cure
herO vs ByuN
PiGStarcraft1071
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1071
Nathanias 209
ViBE165
Forgg! 90
ROOTCatZ80
aXVindicta 70
trigger 38
SteadfastSC 7
StarCraft: Brood War
Aegong 33
Oystein 5
Dota 2
qojqva5710
Grubby4581
NightEnD2
League of Legends
febbydoto52
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
fl0m2364
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0198
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu590
Other Games
tarik_tv24795
Stewie2K2760
Day[9].tv2176
Beastyqt1269
Sick426
JimRising 220
byalli54
rubinoeu12
Organizations
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
ESL CS:GO5369
Dota 2
BeyondTheSummit3334
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream1467
StarCraft 2
Esl_sc2209
ESL.tv209
StarCraft: Brood War
StarcraftVOD2
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Vindicta 70
• musti20045 56
• davetesta23
• Poblha
• Migwel
• Laughngamez YouTube
• LaughNgamez Trovo
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• Gussbus
• intothetv
• aXEnki
• Alpha X_
StarCraft: Brood War
• sscaitournament1
• BSLYoutube
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• STPLYoutube
League of Legends
• imaqtpie3837
• Lourlo408
Other Games
• Day9tv2176
Upcoming Events
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
50m
The PondCast
11h 50m
OSC
12h 50m
Showmatch
15h 50m
BSL: ProLeague
17h 50m
OyAji vs RushGoon
Fengzi vs XiaoShuai
CSO Cup
17h 50m
ESL Pro Tour
1d 3h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 17h
Zhanhun vs Razz
Dewalt vs Jaystar
DaveTesta Events
1d 20h
ESL Pro Tour
2 days
[ Show More ]
ESL Pro Tour
3 days
IEM
4 days
IEM
5 days
IEM
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KOR-CHN Invitational League 2: Saber vs Mihu
OSC Championship Season 10
NGS Storm Division S6 Qual. 5
BLAST Premier Spring Groups

Ongoing

BSL Season 16
KCM Race Survival 2023 Season 1
KCM Ladies Race Survival 2023 Season 1
Individual Golden League
Strength Challenge 30K
Tournament of Honor
Y.H Spring cup
FS Mania
RISS Season 1
Spring Cup Season 4: Korea
Spring Cup 4: Chinese Qualifier
Spring Cup 4: Chinese Qualifier 1
WTL 2022 Winter
NGS Storm Division S6
ESL Challenger League S44 NA
ESL Challenger League S44 EU
ESL Challenger League S44 AP
IEM Katowice 2023

Upcoming

Hongtu Solo League S5: KOR
ASL Season 15
Spring Cup Season 4
Spring Cup Season 4: China
Spring Cup 4: Chinese Qualifier 2
CHN vs KOR Week31
#PassionCraft Knockout
IEM Katowice 2023
BLAST.tv Paris Major 2023
ESL Challenger Melbourne 2023
BLAST.tv Paris 2023: EU RMR B
BLAST.tv Paris 2023: EU RMR A
BLAST.tv Paris 2023: AME RMR
BLAST.tv Paris 2023: APAC RMR
BLAST Premier Spring AME Showdown
BLAST Premier Spring EU Showdown
ESL Pro League Season 17
CCT Central EU Malta Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2023 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.