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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
January 08 2016 19:10 GMT
#721
On January 09 2016 04:01 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 03:51 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote:
Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.


We don't need to imagine.

It happened. Stephano beat everyone.

On January 09 2016 02:27 InfCereal wrote:
On January 09 2016 02:26 A_needle_jog wrote:
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote:
Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.


Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.


Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.


No results? Were you born yesterday?

Yeah winning an MLG chock full of Code S Koreans and going through them like a hot knife thru butter is definitely no results. We're talking about beating MC, MKP and July (among others) in their prime for SC2.

You must be trolling.


They're talking about LotV HuK, yo.

Besides MKP hadn't hit his peak at that point, MC was horrid at PvP. Honestly from what I saw the biggest challenge for HuK that MLG was STC
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 19:22:50
January 08 2016 19:16 GMT
#722
MC was horrid at PvP


MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18519 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 19:22:37
January 08 2016 19:22 GMT
#723
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
MC was horrid at PvP


MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing


Was that back then when no one knew how to PvP?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 19:24:43
January 08 2016 19:24 GMT
#724
When did people figure out how to play pvp?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28503 Posts
January 08 2016 19:31 GMT
#725
On January 09 2016 02:38 Aeromi wrote:
There is no way it's Stephano btw

Who else named in the thread isn't this mystery figure as well?

:p
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 19:35:05
January 08 2016 19:34 GMT
#726
On January 09 2016 04:22 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
MC was horrid at PvP


MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing


Was that back then when no one knew how to PvP?

Well MC was by far the best 4gate vs 4gate player in the world. Not even close - his unit controll was much better than anyone else at the time. I cant remember who he faced btw on that map the famous MVP vs Squirtle-vortex happend, it was GSL (like quarters or something) and he fended off a 4-gate with a 2-gate on pure unit control.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
A_needle_jog
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
Korea (South)699 Posts
January 08 2016 19:37 GMT
#727
An american friend just send me message saying that Vibe is back

http://www.twitch.tv/vibelol

I don't know him, but my friend says he was very good.
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3949980/1/llllllllllll/
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18519 Posts
January 08 2016 19:41 GMT
#728
On January 09 2016 04:24 Cyro wrote:
When did people figure out how to play pvp?


When Rain switched to SC2
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28503 Posts
January 08 2016 19:51 GMT
#729
Vibe hype
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 19:58:23
January 08 2016 19:57 GMT
#730
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
MC was horrid at PvP


MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.

Clearly you haven't seen WoL MC PvP. It was easily his weakest matchup at the time and I am pretty sure PvZ has statistically been his best?

Remember we talking about MLG Orlando 2011 here
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 20:15:16
January 08 2016 20:11 GMT
#731
I have seen it.

TLPD stats for WOL show MC winning 1.24 PvZ's for every loss.

Meanwhile he won 1.64 PvP's for every loss. Clearly a much stronger matchup!

I'm pretty shocked to see people who thought that MC was bad at WOL PvP. My memories were the opposite and the stats back it up, he was a pvp monster back then
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
January 08 2016 20:17 GMT
#732
On January 09 2016 04:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
MC was horrid at PvP


MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.

Clearly you haven't seen WoL MC PvP. It was easily his weakest matchup at the time and I am pretty sure PvZ has statistically been his best?

Remember we talking about MLG Orlando 2011 here


You're incredibly incorrect. Check his stats- his best matchup till 2013 was PvP. MC excelled in the aggresive microfest that PvP was before it became standardized.
http://aligulac.com/players/36-MC/
can i get my estro logo back pls
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 20:22:59
January 08 2016 20:22 GMT
#733
On January 09 2016 05:17 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 04:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
MC was horrid at PvP


MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.

Clearly you haven't seen WoL MC PvP. It was easily his weakest matchup at the time and I am pretty sure PvZ has statistically been his best?

Remember we talking about MLG Orlando 2011 here


You're incredibly incorrect. Check his stats- his best matchup till 2013 was PvP. MC excelled in the aggresive microfest that PvP was before it became standardized.
http://aligulac.com/players/36-MC/

huh, that's interesting, I stand corrected.

EDIT: 7k hype
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Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
January 08 2016 20:23 GMT
#734
So it's confirmed to not be:
IdrA, ThorzaiN, Stephano

Then we thought likely not to be:
VortiX, LucifroN, others

Now it's looking more and more like it's actually:
VortiX and LucifroN
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 08 2016 20:37 GMT
#735
I guess any Hasu speculation can stop

http://myinsanity.eu/myinsanity-heroes-of-the-storm-roster-update/
Wat
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
January 08 2016 20:44 GMT
#736
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
MC was horrid at PvP


MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.


Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?

InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 08 2016 20:49 GMT
#737
On January 09 2016 05:44 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
MC was horrid at PvP


MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.


Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?

InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?


Still more accomplished than any foreigner then
Wat
Thomasmarkle
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
January 08 2016 20:59 GMT
#738
Socke?
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
January 08 2016 21:04 GMT
#739
On January 09 2016 05:49 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 05:44 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
MC was horrid at PvP


MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.


Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?

InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?


Still more accomplished than any foreigner then


Naturally.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Oasx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark72 Posts
January 08 2016 21:21 GMT
#740
I really hope it is not VortiX or LucifroN, that would mean the end of the TL Heroes team.
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