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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-27 17:54:47
December 27 2015 17:20 GMT
#141
who know's what was going through his mind? try not to forget they're starcraft professionals but humans first, and so they have ideas about what's best for themselves.

i have more than a few 20-30yo korean friends who figured they'd move overseas with family for work, for pleasure, or to see what the landscape is like outside of KR. they have dual citizenship, but do not want to be entered into the 2yr military comittment. if there's one thing that's for sure, i wouldn't want to spend 2 years doing something i much rather not do--that involves avoiding it as long as i'm not prepared.

what better way to reconnect with your fanbase and earn something in the process, than to play the game that got you into the swing of things? do you think a pro born from sc2 is going to start doing sc1?
to give you an idea of how big sc1 was for the previous (and current) generation, there were internal school rankings, and school competitions. it was social status in school. do you think that's not ingrained in someone as they're growing up? spending the summer break training hard against my friends and peers, competing along the way to get the gratification of asking someone out, or claiming to be the best. skipping classes or not listening to your parents to spend time with friends at a pc cafe. the entire mmorph ordeal in kr, and being known as a game-addict or a game-fiend and all the societal stigma surrounding that.
today's generation is a little different now, and values have changed slightly, but the roots are all still there. gaming is being more accepted, and, some people simply haven't had their share of gaming from way back then.

before you consider it a matter of sc1 vs sc2 (both great games) consider the history that someone has, and how it could possibly have affected them. everyone has their regrets, but don't put sc2 (or even sc1) down as someone else's. you are not them, you are not a professional, you do not know better.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 27 2015 17:21 GMT
#142
On December 28 2015 02:09 Thouhastmail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 01:45 BigFan wrote:
Unexpected news seeing as we had both Flash and Rain retire just the other day. Given, last I checked, Fantasy wasn't doing the best in HoTS about a year ago so who knows. Maybe he thinks it's best to move on with the current status of the scene? One thing is for sure though, SCII suffered a big blow with all these retirements in the last couple of weeks.

On December 28 2015 01:41 purakushi wrote:
Here's to hoping he streams BW! I'm sure, if not outright stream, he will play some.

If history has showed us anything, it's that a lot of player state that they are interested in going to do their military service but end up streaming for years prior to that with several exceptions lol.


[image loading]

Sometimes money really does surprise me.

*cough* flaunting for ballons *cough*

lol yes, it's a bit funny what they do for balloons at times. This seemed like a common game that was going around though so I doubt Bisu would've done it if it wasn't? Either way, their decisions. I'm only an observer ^^
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
December 27 2015 17:25 GMT
#143
On December 28 2015 02:20 nanaoei wrote: at some schools if you were ranked highly at the end of the year, you got the privelage of asking the prettiest girl in class to the dance.


Though I admire your opinion, I would say, hell no. This is false.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
sdnnvs
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil33 Posts
December 27 2015 17:25 GMT
#144
Flash, Rain, FanTasy... Another SC2 pro player streaming and enjoying Brood War... Why?
highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
December 27 2015 17:29 GMT
#145
3 new players, 38 retirements this year from what I've heard. The scene is in a rapid decline.

LOTV is a very fun game to watch but for the majority of casual gamers it's difficult game to play.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-27 17:30:02
December 27 2015 17:29 GMT
#146
On December 28 2015 02:25 sdnnvs wrote:
Flash, Rain, FanTasy... Another SC2 pro player streaming and enjoying Brood War... Why?

Serious or rhetoric question?
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-27 17:33:18
December 27 2015 17:32 GMT
#147
On December 28 2015 02:25 Thouhastmail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 02:20 nanaoei wrote: at some schools if you were ranked highly at the end of the year, you got the privelage of asking the prettiest girl in class to the dance.


Though I admire your opinion, I would say, hell no. This is false.


i'm not trying to insult anyone and i'm not from korea, this is simply what a 23yo kr-american friend told me about his school, and it's how he got together with his girlfriend, lol.

obviously i had asked him a lot more about him and his friends surrounding starcraft, but that's coming from the horse's mouth as far as i'm concerned.

i don't mind being wrong, but you or anyone else can fill in the blanks for me.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
MaCRo.gg
Profile Joined June 2015
Korea (South)860 Posts
December 27 2015 17:37 GMT
#148
On December 28 2015 02:25 Thouhastmail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 02:20 nanaoei wrote: at some schools if you were ranked highly at the end of the year, you got the privelage of asking the prettiest girl in class to the dance.


Though I admire your opinion, I would say, hell no. This is false.


Can confirm. Not true at all.

I don't get why people think that gaming was a more popular thing than sports or school rank or physical features.
Sure it wasn't like the nerdy thing in Korea but it was never something you won school-wide acclaim for.
Is eSports big in Korea? Yes
Was/Is it bigger than sports? Never.

Boxer was never bigger than Park Chan Ho.
Flash was never bigger than Park Ji Sung.
Amazonic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden239 Posts
December 27 2015 17:38 GMT
#149
Oh goddamnit this is awful. I hope he goes to BW, need me some vultures in my life.
"Amazing how something so simple as a fat person and gravity can be so amusing. Classic!"
Espartaquen
Profile Joined September 2015
88 Posts
December 27 2015 17:40 GMT
#150
David Kim and the forty thieves...
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
December 27 2015 17:41 GMT
#151
What........unbelievable, FanTa it will be good to see you back in BW though, which i'm sure you'll be going.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
RevTiberius
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada353 Posts
December 27 2015 17:41 GMT
#152
Damn... had I known that my retirement would create such an exodus of other Terrans, I might have stayed in the game a little longer...

Teaching Chess to a Starcraft 2 Grandmaster: http://revtiberius.blogspot.ca
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-27 17:44:35
December 27 2015 17:42 GMT
#153
Well. At least Boxer was more popular than most of celebrities.

Anyway, Korean schools do not have prom; students do not dance at all, because there's no sort of activities that are related with dancing.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
December 27 2015 17:50 GMT
#154
fantasy is 24. no one can progame forever.
❤ BeSt... ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ #YEAROFKOMA #YEAROFKOMA #YEAROFKOMA ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ
gneGne
Profile Joined June 2007
Netherlands697 Posts
December 27 2015 17:53 GMT
#155
Arguably FanTaSy was at least better than Flash in StarCraft 2! GGs FanTa!
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-27 17:56:02
December 27 2015 17:53 GMT
#156
On December 28 2015 02:42 Thouhastmail wrote:
Well. At least Boxer was more popular than most of celebrities.

Anyway, Korean schools do not have prom; students do not dance at all, because there's no sort of activities that are related with dancing.


sorry, it's just a figure of speech or w/e here. it just means to ask them out for an occaision/date/w/e
anyway, i'll just remove it since it detracts from the point
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
December 27 2015 17:54 GMT
#157
On December 28 2015 02:01 EatingBomber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 01:49 TRaFFiC wrote:
Perhaps you could blame wcs but to me it seems it goes like this. Leave kespa team > join foreign team > win foreign tournaments > skill decline > retire.

Didn't know him, but I can respect anyone who put as much into the game as he did.

I'm not worried. Fresh blood will come out of KR.


I think your optimism is misplaced. We have had so many prominent, or at least historically significant players retire this year, and almost no rising stars, and you still think the Korean scene is healthy? The last new, dominant player that arose from Korea was... Solar? Or maybe Dream? But they have been playing since 2013 and 2011 respectively. The truth is, the Korean scene is atrophying at an alarming rate, and there aren't any transfusions incoming.

Maybe, maybe not. Solar is better than ever, but I don't think he's the best of the newcomers. It's just that he's on a team which can afford to keep sending him to events (and he keeps convincing them to do it somehow). I imagine there are plenty of ladder heroes we've never heard of.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
nukkuj
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Finland403 Posts
December 27 2015 17:54 GMT
#158
GG Fantasy, your matches throughout the years were exciting to watch! Thanks and good luck in the future!
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
December 27 2015 17:58 GMT
#159
gg blizzard
Information is everything
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 27 2015 17:58 GMT
#160
Fuck everything

He was my pick to be the best Kespa player to switch over
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
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