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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 11 2016 16:25 GMT
#281
On January 12 2016 01:13 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 01:09 Ansibled wrote:
On January 12 2016 01:00 boxerfred wrote:
The StarCraft scene will shrink more this year. Bad news from Korea, a WCS system that benefits inferior players and a last expansion that did not change much about the flaws that the game is suffering from. I'd assume that news like this one wouldn't hit the scene as hard as they do if Blizzard had not fucked up as much as Blizzard did. It's really sad to see the game declining for those reasons.

Everything is an excuse to bash Blizzard

Hard not to bash when most things they do are bashing-worthy, tbh

Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 11 2016 16:46 GMT
#282
I wish we could have a real saviour for the scene for once. Why does this keep happening?
Flash | Mvp
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 16:49:23
January 11 2016 16:48 GMT
#283
On January 12 2016 01:46 Ctesias wrote:
I wish we could have a real saviour for the scene for once. Why does this keep happening?


See                                               here ↘
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 11 2016 17:00 GMT
#284
Jin Air daughter the real savior
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
January 11 2016 17:40 GMT
#285
On January 12 2016 02:00 stuchiu wrote:
Jin Air daughter the real savior


She really doesn't get enough credit
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 18:02:46
January 11 2016 18:02 GMT
#286
our scene has the best drama by far

Sonic on the run .. hahaha
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19320 Posts
January 11 2016 18:02 GMT
#287
On January 12 2016 01:46 Ctesias wrote:
I wish we could have a real saviour for the scene for once. Why does this keep happening?

Saviors are cursed. Its the villians that we need. Become relevant again EG!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 18:32:26
January 11 2016 18:28 GMT
#288
I think we are being too hard on Sonic seems like he just got carried away.

And he did revive Brood war so I won;t forget that.
dumchu
McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
January 11 2016 18:39 GMT
#289
On January 12 2016 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 01:46 Ctesias wrote:
I wish we could have a real saviour for the scene for once. Why does this keep happening?

Saviors are cursed. Its the villians that we need. Become relevant again EG!

We just need a new word and it will be fine. Is there a synonym for savior? I'm not a native english speaker and the polish "zbawca/zbawiciel" may be too hard to pronounce.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
January 11 2016 18:46 GMT
#290
Nothing in this world has drama like south korean esports. All this just amazes me. I wonder if it was planned from the beginning or if they just kept running with trying to make it work until even they didn't understand how it worked.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
January 11 2016 18:51 GMT
#291
Im suprised that OGN and SPOTV accepted his sponsorship if they knew this.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
January 11 2016 18:55 GMT
#292
On January 12 2016 03:51 sabas123 wrote:
Im suprised that OGN and SPOTV accepted his sponsorship if they knew this.

Money is money
RuhRoh is my herO
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19320 Posts
January 11 2016 19:00 GMT
#293
On January 12 2016 03:39 McRatyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:
On January 12 2016 01:46 Ctesias wrote:
I wish we could have a real saviour for the scene for once. Why does this keep happening?

Saviors are cursed. Its the villians that we need. Become relevant again EG!

We just need a new word and it will be fine. Is there a synonym for savior? I'm not a native english speaker and the polish "zbawca/zbawiciel" may be too hard to pronounce.

"zbawca/zbawiciel" those aren't real words at all. How could any work get done with a language like that?
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 11 2016 19:06 GMT
#294
On January 11 2016 22:27 juvenal wrote:
This fucking icon begs for it:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


This is really under-appreciated and I'm considering changing my logo to SBENU in a show of support.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
January 11 2016 19:21 GMT
#295
of course what happens is branch stores get fuckedddd people like intotherainbow was extremely mad at sonic cus he was one of the investors and he put in all of his own savings, borrowed money from his family and from his sister to invest in a sbenu branch store and it went out of business VERY fast. 부산공장 mentioned there were some who even took their own lives and a ton of other victims who's lives are being destroyed by this scam


Just read this from the update, that's pretty sad. Have there really been suicides due to this?
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3429 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 19:23:32
January 11 2016 19:21 GMT
#296
On January 12 2016 04:00 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 03:39 McRatyn wrote:
On January 12 2016 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:
On January 12 2016 01:46 Ctesias wrote:
I wish we could have a real saviour for the scene for once. Why does this keep happening?

Saviors are cursed. Its the villians that we need. Become relevant again EG!

We just need a new word and it will be fine. Is there a synonym for savior? I'm not a native english speaker and the polish "zbawca/zbawiciel" may be too hard to pronounce.

"zbawca/zbawiciel" those aren't real words at all. How could any work get done with a language like that?


It becomes easier the moment you realize certain consonants are pronounced differently in Polish and some consontant clusters (e.g. "ci", "ch", "rz", "dz", "dzi") are not pronounced seperately and produce a single sound. I never understood the notion of hard pronounciation in Polish, especially if you are familiar with a language / accent that is rhotic (like Spanish, or even better - Scottish).

If you do try to pronounce everything seperately and the "english way" it does tend to sound ridiculous as fuck though

Back to the topic - Sonic seems to be running his business in a rather shady manner. I hope it's as he says, but all evidence is stacked up against him as of now.
Mirabel_
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1768 Posts
January 11 2016 19:26 GMT
#297
I'm falling out of love with korean esports.
get stronger play longer
McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 19:27:10
January 11 2016 19:26 GMT
#298
On January 12 2016 04:21 True_Spike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 04:00 BisuDagger wrote:
On January 12 2016 03:39 McRatyn wrote:
On January 12 2016 03:02 BisuDagger wrote:
On January 12 2016 01:46 Ctesias wrote:
I wish we could have a real saviour for the scene for once. Why does this keep happening?

Saviors are cursed. Its the villians that we need. Become relevant again EG!

We just need a new word and it will be fine. Is there a synonym for savior? I'm not a native english speaker and the polish "zbawca/zbawiciel" may be too hard to pronounce.

"zbawca/zbawiciel" those aren't real words at all. How could any work get done with a language like that?


It becomes easier the moment you realize certain consonants are pronounced differently in Polish and some consontant clusters (e.g. "ci", "ch", "rz", "dz", "dzi") are not pronounced seperately and produce a single sound. I never understood the notion of hard pronounciation in Polish, especially if you are familiar with a language / accent that is rhotic (like Spanish, or even better - Scottish).

If you do try to pronounce everything seperately and the "english way" it does tend to sound ridiculous as fuck though

Back to the topic - Sonic seems to be running his business in a rather shady manner. I hope it's as he says, but all evidence is stacked up against him as of now.

"Shady manner" is a pretty good description but I think a valid point of view would be also to think about it as just a series of really bad business decisions and not necessarily a pre-planned criminal intent (which is also possible though imo less likely ).
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
January 11 2016 19:31 GMT
#299
On January 12 2016 04:21 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
of course what happens is branch stores get fuckedddd people like intotherainbow was extremely mad at sonic cus he was one of the investors and he put in all of his own savings, borrowed money from his family and from his sister to invest in a sbenu branch store and it went out of business VERY fast. 부산공장 mentioned there were some who even took their own lives and a ton of other victims who's lives are being destroyed by this scam


Just read this from the update, that's pretty sad. Have there really been suicides due to this?

Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Not that surprising really.
OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
January 11 2016 19:33 GMT
#300
On January 12 2016 04:06 Heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 22:27 juvenal wrote:
This fucking icon begs for it:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


This is really under-appreciated and I'm considering changing my logo to SBENU in a show of support.

I actually have already
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