With the news of the return of TBs cancer, Axiom has been forced to close it's doors. Axiom had planned on undergoing a line up revamp and wanted to participate in Proleague, but this will no longer be happening.
It loaded fine for me, might be getting blown up now that it's spread. This was expected after the earlier announcement, but it doesn't make it any less sad. GL to everyone involved, ya'll were my favorite team.
Good luck to the players. I think you're absolutely right, TB, that Axiom was a success. It always seemed like a group of family members or close friends.
I love Axiom. I will have nothing but fond memories of rooting for Axiom. Be it in the GSTL, ATC, the SC2 league they partneredy with Grubby in, the SC2ITL, and of course their individual pursuits in WCS, GSL and Dreamhacks etc. In fact one the main reason I sponsored the SC2ITL was because I was keen to get the prizepool to an amount where you could interest teams the size of Axiom. I just wanted another team league to root for my favourite team in.
My favourite moments watching esports have all come from watching Axiom. Nothing in esports has made me feel as excited, delighted or gutted as rooting for the Axiom guys. From following Axiom I have experienced the full range of emotions that come from watching sports. From jumping around my room screaming in celebration to being heart-wrenchingly gutted.
So farewell Axiom and thanks for all the memories. Thanks TB, thanks Genna, thanks Olimoley, and all the players. It was truly a pleasure supporting this team. I'll never forget the sheer joy I felt from watching you play StarCraft.
I will continue to support the players in whatever is next for them. They all have a special place in my heart.
I've never been a fan of either axiom or the players. But TB is someone that contributed a lot to Starcraft from various tournament to Team leagues and cancer is humanity's common enemy. Extremely sad to hear that this fucking thing has gotten someone off his passion...This is pretty sad.
So if you ever read this TB, you have my support. Beat this son of a bitch down and live your life like you've never before. Never give up, never look down, always look forward even if the timing feels wrong. Be brave and you'll make it.
I guess I kind of expected it when they didn't join PL last season, but this is still quite saddening, especially on the day of TB's cancer announcement.
WOW......been having a bad day. now I'm kinda devastated.....
I remember cheering for AxiomAcer sooooo hard, frantically hitting the reload button on my phone while riding on the train, getting all the info and hype from TL LR threads, good times
I guess it's time to say goodbye now, never been good at those so I'm just gonna say gl at their respective future endeavours to everyone involved!
I have huge respect for what TB has done for the Starcraft community. The news today came as a real shock, and I still don't know if I've fully processed it, other than feeling numb about it all. It feels like it can't be real. I wish TB and his family all the best.
On October 16 2015 09:19 shid0x wrote: TB is someone that contributed a lot to Starcraft from various tournament to Team leagues and cancer is humanity's common enemy. Extremely sad to hear that this fucking thing has gotten someone off his passion...This is pretty sad.
So if you ever read this TB, you have my support. Beat this son of a bitch down and live your life like you've never before. Never give up, never look down, always look forward even if the timing feels wrong. Be brave and you'll make it.
I so agree with this. Total Biscuit you are AWESOME BRO! AND A HUGE AMAZING PART OF THE COMMUNITY! Your life continues to be inspiring for me.
It's an odd timing with Axiom, QXC and other going away just before LOTV launches. It seems like there is no confidence that the game with revitalize the scene.
On October 16 2015 10:42 lost_patrol wrote: It's an odd timing with Axiom, QXC and other going away just before LOTV launches. It seems like there is no confidence that the game with revitalize the scene.
I think its fair to say that qxc and axiom are both gone because of problems far deeper than lack of confidence in lotv. its too bad too. they were going to be in 2016 proleague
Axiom achieved something that many teams can't. They had a real team spirit. It wasn't just a teamhouse with players that come and go looking for better contract, they are a family. It's really sad to see this go. I was hoping it won't happen for a while longer, that they will find some solution but I guess they considered the options and it was not possible.
About players, I agree that Ryung has best chances. I've been keeping an eye on him recently and he seems to be doing pretty well in LotV.
As for CranK, I really really really hope that he will continue to build his own fanbase. Maybe you can't see him in tournaments so often but he's still a great player and definitely an amazing coach, captain and person.
Really sad news about TB and Axiom. I'm sure no one wanted it to end, especially like this. Hoping for the best for all the players, and especially TB.
It was expected. Their team is headed nowhere and is completely irrelevant in professional SC2 right now. Plus with TotalBiscuit's health at its current state, I imagine his family wants to spend his final two years for themselves and make best with what time they got together.
there goes my favorite eSport team best of luck to players, hope they find new teams. HUGE thanks to Crank, who is a wonderful person, and Olimoley, who managed to run house full of progamers, her own league, personal life and so many other things we don't even know about.
And of course all my energy and thoughts go to TB and his family to get through this difficult times.
Damnit, I don't have words for this. I could have gussed it would be going this way after TBs diagnosis but I didn't know it would make this sad. TB has been someone I've looked up to and followed for a long time and I've cheered for Axiom always but I didn't know it was all this important to me.
When I read about TBs cancer coming back I was furious that something like this would happen to a person like him. That he would fight the first wave off just to have it all come back and overturn everything again. When I read about Axiom all I did was cry, at work in my little boxed off office, the internet is a great place but sometimes I regret that there is no way to effectively convey ones feelings through the limited Tools that we have ( a mouse and a keyboard).
Many people care for you and your family TB and this is a sad day that I will never forget, hopefully you will eclipse it with the announcement of your full recovery one day!
This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
I am saddened by this news, TB's condition and the team closure. Though I never met an Axiom member in person and 'know' them only by interviews, I felt a team spirit incomparable to other teams.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
He always claimed that Axiom cost him no money and it was self sufficient. He even flamed other people who didn't believe him.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
Post #33 he says next sponsor Axiom will be turning a profit and he has said it's self sustaining. I just feel like the plug was pulled rather quickly, which is understandable if the majority of the money is coming out of his pocket/efforts but it's supposedly not.
Since you do read TL and respond what does this mean for the majority of the players then end of the road? Military? Back to education or other work?
Just by reading the player responses you can tell that Axiom succeeded as family. There is no strife between the players or management, just shared concern for TB. Its a great thing to see. Unfortunately it takes something horrible to bring this to center stage. gg Axiom.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
Post #33 he says next sponsor Axiom will be turning a profit and he has said it's self sustaining. I just feel like the plug was pulled rather quickly, which is understandable if the majority of the money is coming out of his pocket/efforts but it's supposedly not.
Since you do read TL and respond what does this mean for the majority of the players then end of the road? Military? Back to education or other work?
Yeah if I'm recalling correctly about who the sponsor would have been the next sponsor we had in the works it would have been profitable, but so many things came up we never signed papers with them. So, we would have been but at the time of the disbanding it was not.
Also given how that post is from April, it's been 6 months since then and tons of things have changed. Our performance wasn't good and a revamp for proleague means more investing/more members and it's just not reasonable to do that anymore. Anyways, let's not sour this ending with management simulator 2015.
CranK is retiring (see other thread). CranK wrote this:
After everything is done, I may stream until I find another job or other job in eSports. I'm not popular and big streamer but I'll keep it up to support my wife and the family that my best friends John and Genna made. Showing John and Genna all Axiom members are doing well after Axiom disbands is our job to make them relief.
Ryung and Heart will be looking for new teams and we will help them with their search.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
Post #33 he says next sponsor Axiom will be turning a profit and he has said it's self sustaining. I just feel like the plug was pulled rather quickly, which is understandable if the majority of the money is coming out of his pocket/efforts but it's supposedly not.
Since you do read TL and respond what does this mean for the majority of the players then end of the road? Military? Back to education or other work?
With this announcement it's pretty clear that TB lied to us, it's just how the world works. Managers always lie, no manager would say "my team is writing red numbers"
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
Post #33 he says next sponsor Axiom will be turning a profit and he has said it's self sustaining. I just feel like the plug was pulled rather quickly, which is understandable if the majority of the money is coming out of his pocket/efforts but it's supposedly not.
Since you do read TL and respond what does this mean for the majority of the players then end of the road? Military? Back to education or other work?
With this announcement it's pretty clear that TB lied to us, it's just how the world works. Managers always lie, no manager would say "my team is writing red numbers"
Man you have absolutely no knowledge of the internal affairs of the team and as Olimoley posted this was 6 months ago. Nowhere is there any indication anyone were lied to, that TB said it was self sustaining does not mean it still is atm after 6 months of bad results. Neither do we know if TB closes Axiom due to the workload or due to economy, maybe TB had to work his ass off to keep it self-sustainable then if he cannot do that the team will obviously not be self-sustainable anymore. We lurkers have no idea, so stop spouting this shit unless you have numbers anjd dates to back things up(which you obviously don't)
Ultimately though none of these things matter anymore, TB is in a pinch that none other then him can understand and his team is closing down. Its sad, its horrible but it was one heck of a ride! Lets not discuss who said what x months ago when at the moment many of us are mourning, even if you aren't.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
Post #33 he says next sponsor Axiom will be turning a profit and he has said it's self sustaining. I just feel like the plug was pulled rather quickly, which is understandable if the majority of the money is coming out of his pocket/efforts but it's supposedly not.
Since you do read TL and respond what does this mean for the majority of the players then end of the road? Military? Back to education or other work?
With this announcement it's pretty clear that TB lied to us, it's just how the world works. Managers always lie, no manager would say "my team is writing red numbers"
There is really no reason for your comment. I'm actually the one who might be misrepresenting the facts because I never handled sponsors or money, John would know better than I. You know in order to keep our sponsors we need to push out content and attend tournaments, meaning we must put in the time for managerial work, content production, and recording. John is a very hands on team owner and running it can be pretty time consuming. So even if we are sustainable, in the red, or profiting it doesn't even matter. We shouldn't be his priority, family and recovery should be.
I'm sorry to see Axiom disband, but I hope each of our players and staff continue to do great things in the community.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
Post #33 he says next sponsor Axiom will be turning a profit and he has said it's self sustaining. I just feel like the plug was pulled rather quickly, which is understandable if the majority of the money is coming out of his pocket/efforts but it's supposedly not.
Since you do read TL and respond what does this mean for the majority of the players then end of the road? Military? Back to education or other work?
With this announcement it's pretty clear that TB lied to us, it's just how the world works. Managers always lie, no manager would say "my team is writing red numbers"
There is really no reason for your comment. I'm actually the one who might be misrepresenting the facts because I never handled sponsors or money, John would know better than I. You know in order to keep our sponsors we need to push out content and attend tournaments, meaning we must put in the time for managerial work, content production, and recording. John is a very hands on team owner and running it can be pretty time consuming. So even if we are sustainable, in the red, or profiting it doesn't even matter. We shouldn't be his priority, family and recovery should be.
I'm sorry to see Axiom disband, but I hope each of our players and staff continue to do great things in the community.
Couldn't a trial of someone else taking up the reigns with a little input from TB have been tried? It just seems a bit of an abrupt end when things looked like they were picking up (Proleague)
Read the big TB post it makes perfect sense now, the only alternative would be trying to crowd fund the first year but that would be very difficult. Good luck to all.
F***k, and I was hoping without even knowing they had these plans , to see them in Proleague next year. The bad news keep coming and coming. I'm sorry to hear this. I hope they make it in their future plans ! thanks for everything !
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
He always claimed that Axiom cost him no money and it was self sufficient. He even flamed other people who didn't believe him.
Ok let's nip the speculations of fantasy team-owners in the bud right now.
"He always claimed" Flagrant lie.
"Axiom cost him no money and was self sufficient". False.
One post was made 6 months ago that stated Axiom was self-sufficient. What that post does not tell you is what happened to make it that way and what self-sufficient actually meant.
1) The team only became self-sufficient after salaries were cut across the board 2) The team only became self-sufficient after losing Impact, on the very same day that post was made. It was not self-sufficient with a 5 man roster. 3) Self-sufficient meant we could pay house costs and team salaries with the sponsorship money we were receiving. The team would be self-sufficient if everybody remained in Korea. It did not include any incidental expenses such as flights and hotels, which still came out of my own pocket.
Now let's talk about how this obviously would not have been the case in 2016. The Proleague plan allowed us to cut flights/hotels out of the expenses. However very few players are willing to stay in Korea all year and not go to a foreign tournament, so that was unlikely to be viable to begin with. We offered bonus schemes for wins and a salary bump to compensate after it was clear that players would not join the team otherwise, but it didn't matter because KeSPA has all the players and doesnt look like they're letting any of them go anytime soon. Those that are likely to leave are going to do so to join a foreign team and play WCS, which we could not offer (athletes visas are expense to acquire and we could not provide housing in the US anyway), nor were we willing to. So in the fantasy scenario in which we somehow form a viable proleague lineup, we are now making a loss again and that's assuming we can hang onto all our sponsors at current rates in 2016, which after 2015s performance is unlikely. Our content production was doing the bulk of the work for the sponsors, not our results, but participation in foreign events is an important part of representing the sponsor, even if we're not winning tournaments. Going Proleague only would not provide that for the sponsor, it was likely at least one major sponsor would pull out in 2016 and our prospective sponsor fell through for various reasons, as they have a tendency to do.
So there you have it. Axiom WAS self-sustaining, on 4 members, with reduced salary and no tournament flights and hotels. Axiom would NOT have been self sustaining in 2016 regardless of any plan we came up with, unless somehow we acquired even more sponsors. Could we have acquired another sponsor that cared less about results and more about content production? Sure, but there are various downsides to that. Distracting the players and taking up valuable practice time with yet more non-SC2 related stuff would only hinder their progress and Olivia who is doing the vast majority of the editing work on those videos which includes pain-staking line by line subtitling, can only do so much. Anything I took on to bolster the team would also have a massive opportunity-cost to me and I'm already overworked as it is.
So y'know, just in-case you needed more reasons beyond "hey yeah I have terminal cancer and might drop dead relatively soon", there you have them. Gotta admit I just laughed at the absurdity of this discussion, it's impossible to be offended by it given the circumstances.
Oh and if you want to know how far we were in the hole on Axiom? Try $250,000+ of my own money. There comes a time, specifically when you have a life-threatening illness, that you have to say "enough". I felt I made that clear in my parting statement but apparently not, hopefully it is now. It is only natural to speculate but it is highly unlikely that any of you have enough information to do so accurately.
so sad. also disgusting that more TB haters are sprouting up like weeds in this thread. haters gonna hate cause they will never contribute anywhere near as much as TB did.
Very sad but understandable. I wish everyone in Axiom the best and strength to TB. I'll keep cheering for the Axiom members no matter what they end up doing Good luck to everyone~!!!!!
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
He always claimed that Axiom cost him no money and it was self sufficient. He even flamed other people who didn't believe him.
That's one of the more outrageous lies I've seen in a long time. Either you are very ignorant or just spouting lies of your own...
I've followed Axiom since it was founded and TB have always been very open of that he was pouring his own money into the team and that he hoped eventually it would lead to it being self-sufficient. Much later he said they'd locked up enough funds to last through the year and such but how you can make that into your deluded fantasies is beyond me.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
He always claimed that Axiom cost him no money and it was self sufficient. He even flamed other people who didn't believe him.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
Post #33 he says next sponsor Axiom will be turning a profit and he has said it's self sustaining. I just feel like the plug was pulled rather quickly, which is understandable if the majority of the money is coming out of his pocket/efforts but it's supposedly not.
Since you do read TL and respond what does this mean for the majority of the players then end of the road? Military? Back to education or other work?
With this announcement it's pretty clear that TB lied to us, it's just how the world works. Managers always lie, no manager would say "my team is writing red numbers"
There are times when it's more and less appropriate to make statements based on hearsay and pass them off as facts. With Axiom disbanding, this is probably one of the less appropriate times. You must have been smoking some shit to make these two statements in a row with a straight face.
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote: This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.
Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
He always claimed that Axiom cost him no money and it was self sufficient. He even flamed other people who didn't believe him.
Ok let's nip the speculations of fantasy team-owners in the bud right now.
"He always claimed" Flagrant lie.
"Axiom cost him no money and was self sufficient". False.
One post was made 6 months ago that stated Axiom was self-sufficient. What that post does not tell you is what happened to make it that way and what self-sufficient actually meant.
1) The team only became self-sufficient after salaries were cut across the board 2) The team only became self-sufficient after losing Impact, on the very same day that post was made. It was not self-sufficient with a 5 man roster. 3) Self-sufficient meant we could pay house costs and team salaries with the sponsorship money we were receiving. The team would be self-sufficient if everybody remained in Korea. It did not include any incidental expenses such as flights and hotels, which still came out of my own pocket.
Now let's talk about how this obviously would not have been the case in 2016. The Proleague plan allowed us to cut flights/hotels out of the expenses. However very few players are willing to stay in Korea all year and not go to a foreign tournament, so that was unlikely to be viable to begin with. We offered bonus schemes for wins and a salary bump to compensate after it was clear that players would not join the team otherwise, but it didn't matter because KeSPA has all the players and doesnt look like they're letting any of them go anytime soon. Those that are likely to leave are going to do so to join a foreign team and play WCS, which we could not offer (athletes visas are expense to acquire and we could not provide housing in the US anyway), nor were we willing to. So in the fantasy scenario in which we somehow form a viable proleague lineup, we are now making a loss again and that's assuming we can hang onto all our sponsors at current rates in 2016, which after 2015s performance is unlikely. Our content production was doing the bulk of the work for the sponsors, not our results, but participation in foreign events is an important part of representing the sponsor, even if we're not winning tournaments. Going Proleague only would not provide that for the sponsor, it was likely at least one major sponsor would pull out in 2016 and our prospective sponsor fell through for various reasons, as they have a tendency to do.
So there you have it. Axiom WAS self-sustaining, on 4 members, with reduced salary and no tournament flights and hotels. Axiom would NOT have been self sustaining in 2016 regardless of any plan we came up with, unless somehow we acquired even more sponsors. Could we have acquired another sponsor that cared less about results and more about content production? Sure, but there are various downsides to that. Distracting the players and taking up valuable practice time with yet more non-SC2 related stuff would only hinder their progress and Olivia who is doing the vast majority of the editing work on those videos which includes pain-staking line by line subtitling, can only do so much. Anything I took on to bolster the team would also have a massive opportunity-cost to me and I'm already overworked as it is.
So y'know, just in-case you needed more reasons beyond "hey yeah I have terminal cancer and might drop dead relatively soon", there you have them. Gotta admit I just laughed at the absurdity of this discussion, it's impossible to be offended by it given the circumstances.
Oh and if you want to know how far we were in the hole on Axiom? Try $250,000+ of my own money. There comes a time, specifically when you have a life-threatening illness, that you have to say "enough". I felt I made that clear in my parting statement but apparently not, hopefully it is now. It is only natural to speculate but it is highly unlikely that any of you have enough information to do so accurately.
My god it's good to see a cynical TB post after all of this. Keep fighting sir.