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J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
September 03 2015 09:11 GMT
#61
no matter how you look at it, as a fan of SC2 this type of news is saddening. I'm going to enjoy this next year or so of Hots, it will probably be the end of SC2. I don't think LoTV will change anything unfortunately.
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2275 Posts
September 03 2015 10:34 GMT
#62
The Kingslayerslayer is done for T.T
Cogito, ergo Toss
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 03 2015 10:43 GMT
#63
On September 03 2015 16:22 Brutaxilos wrote:
Honest question, before TangTang retired, if Prime were to make playoffs how would they be allowed to play in a Bo7???

In theory the Chinese players are still part of their PL lineup no?
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Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
September 03 2015 11:02 GMT
#64
On September 03 2015 13:32 Yorkie wrote:
Rest in piece Prime, you were once a legit rival, now a shadow of your former self. Just remember trophies fade, but unplugged cords last forever.


This is divine justice.
Prime is paying the price of that THEFT at the GSTL Finals. Never forget !
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
Korakys
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
New Zealand272 Posts
September 03 2015 12:00 GMT
#65
TANGTANG. His name will be remembered throughout the ages, too bad it will only be his name that is remembered.

Prime on life support now, here's hoping they get triple-bypass surgery before next season starts.
Swing away sOs, swing away.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
September 03 2015 12:35 GMT
#66
Prime...
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
September 03 2015 12:38 GMT
#67
On September 03 2015 19:43 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 16:22 Brutaxilos wrote:
Honest question, before TangTang retired, if Prime were to make playoffs how would they be allowed to play in a Bo7???

In theory the Chinese players are still part of their PL lineup no?

Assuming they aren't too skiddish about the MERS scare stil
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6332 Posts
September 03 2015 12:40 GMT
#68
On September 03 2015 18:11 J. Corsair wrote:
no matter how you look at it, as a fan of SC2 this type of news is saddening. I'm going to enjoy this next year or so of Hots, it will probably be the end of SC2. I don't think LoTV will change anything unfortunately.

I don't think there will be any HotS after Blizzcon.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
September 03 2015 13:30 GMT
#69
Pro League missing a team for next season... Enter Unholy Alliance 2!!! EG-TL-mYi :D
Jung! Myung! Hoooooooooooooooooon! #TeamPolt
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
September 03 2015 15:51 GMT
#70
TangTang like Prime Ace player, he leave , Prime die . . .
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 03 2015 16:13 GMT
#71
On September 03 2015 22:30 catabowl wrote:
Pro League missing a team for next season... Enter Unholy Alliance 2!!! EG-TL-mYi :D


Assuming there is a Proleague next season it'll probably end up being more like Axiom-DPix-Prime
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 03 2015 17:14 GMT
#72
On September 03 2015 04:30 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 02:44 brickrd wrote:
On September 03 2015 02:20 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for Prime or to assign blame at this point. I have a feeling the correct feeling is somewhere in the middle. Regardless of how we should feel about their performance something needs to be done.

What?

i dont really believe "coaching" or team environment matters that much, i mean sure its significant but at the end of the day there are only so many tier 1 players in the league and prime just has the lowest distribution of them

short of magically having money to sign all the good free agents, i don't think there's really much blame to assign. they're a bad team with bad players, it happens in every sports league

Well the past results contradicts your statement. Good teams makes good players and bad team can totally wreck good players. Look at Myungsik he went to Prime, went mediocre/bad, he went to KT and his results sky rocketed. How did Yodas move to Prime go for him, well since he went there his results have plummeted.

How did Departure do on Prime? How have he been doing on MVP? Exponentially better.

Innovation was struggling, went to SKT and now he's kicking ass, Impact was a mess, who would have thought he would be doing in well and winning games in pro-league half a year ago?

The signs are there to see everywhere, a bad player goes to a good team expect great improvement, a great player going to Prime and expect a slump.

you have very very badly missed the point, as i clearly said yes it's significant but team environment can't change the level of talent someone has. i could spend twelve hours a day in a korean teamhouse and i would probably still top out at master

your random examples don't really demonstrate anything, especially when it comes to players like inno who already showed a top level of play and had ups and downs. every player has ups and downs, that's not really the same as an entire team being full of nobodies with low or no results. if the implication is that skt could take prime and make them a playoff team then it's an absurd one

people love to blame coaches because there's literally no way to prove it right or wrong yet you can argue as adamantly as you please that there's something "wrong with the coaching" or whatever. it's just intellectual laziness and its boring

does skt have better coaching than prime and does it matter? yes, like i already said it probably does matter. but attributing their entire failure to that and not admitting the players just aren't that talented is unfair and silly
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lollyz
Profile Joined April 2011
218 Posts
September 03 2015 17:22 GMT
#73
This is not good for prime, starcraft 2 and for us
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 03 2015 17:25 GMT
#74
On September 04 2015 02:14 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 04:30 Shuffleblade wrote:
On September 03 2015 02:44 brickrd wrote:
On September 03 2015 02:20 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for Prime or to assign blame at this point. I have a feeling the correct feeling is somewhere in the middle. Regardless of how we should feel about their performance something needs to be done.

What?

i dont really believe "coaching" or team environment matters that much, i mean sure its significant but at the end of the day there are only so many tier 1 players in the league and prime just has the lowest distribution of them

short of magically having money to sign all the good free agents, i don't think there's really much blame to assign. they're a bad team with bad players, it happens in every sports league

Well the past results contradicts your statement. Good teams makes good players and bad team can totally wreck good players. Look at Myungsik he went to Prime, went mediocre/bad, he went to KT and his results sky rocketed. How did Yodas move to Prime go for him, well since he went there his results have plummeted.

How did Departure do on Prime? How have he been doing on MVP? Exponentially better.

Innovation was struggling, went to SKT and now he's kicking ass, Impact was a mess, who would have thought he would be doing in well and winning games in pro-league half a year ago?

The signs are there to see everywhere, a bad player goes to a good team expect great improvement, a great player going to Prime and expect a slump.

you have very very badly missed the point, as i clearly said yes it's significant but team environment can't change the level of talent someone has. i could spend twelve hours a day in a korean teamhouse and i would probably still top out at master

your random examples don't really demonstrate anything, especially when it comes to players like inno who already showed a top level of play and had ups and downs. every player has ups and downs, that's not really the same as an entire team being full of nobodies with low or no results. if the implication is that skt could take prime and make them a playoff team then it's an absurd one

people love to blame coaches because there's literally no way to prove it right or wrong yet you can argue as adamantly as you please that there's something "wrong with the coaching" or whatever. it's just intellectual laziness and its boring

does skt have better coaching than prime and does it matter? yes, like i already said it probably does matter. but attributing their entire failure to that and not admitting the players just aren't that talented is unfair and silly

There's a reason they bought out Zoun from PRIME and not BBoongBBoong. SKT has some monstrous coaching (they basically changed Dream and Dark from Tier 2 or 3 players into championship contenders), but they pick up people only that they can see have potential.
tl;dr SKT is better than PRIME because they can afford both superb coaches and superb players
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
September 03 2015 19:25 GMT
#75
On September 04 2015 02:25 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 02:14 brickrd wrote:
On September 03 2015 04:30 Shuffleblade wrote:
On September 03 2015 02:44 brickrd wrote:
On September 03 2015 02:20 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for Prime or to assign blame at this point. I have a feeling the correct feeling is somewhere in the middle. Regardless of how we should feel about their performance something needs to be done.

What?

i dont really believe "coaching" or team environment matters that much, i mean sure its significant but at the end of the day there are only so many tier 1 players in the league and prime just has the lowest distribution of them

short of magically having money to sign all the good free agents, i don't think there's really much blame to assign. they're a bad team with bad players, it happens in every sports league

Well the past results contradicts your statement. Good teams makes good players and bad team can totally wreck good players. Look at Myungsik he went to Prime, went mediocre/bad, he went to KT and his results sky rocketed. How did Yodas move to Prime go for him, well since he went there his results have plummeted.

How did Departure do on Prime? How have he been doing on MVP? Exponentially better.

Innovation was struggling, went to SKT and now he's kicking ass, Impact was a mess, who would have thought he would be doing in well and winning games in pro-league half a year ago?

The signs are there to see everywhere, a bad player goes to a good team expect great improvement, a great player going to Prime and expect a slump.

you have very very badly missed the point, as i clearly said yes it's significant but team environment can't change the level of talent someone has. i could spend twelve hours a day in a korean teamhouse and i would probably still top out at master

your random examples don't really demonstrate anything, especially when it comes to players like inno who already showed a top level of play and had ups and downs. every player has ups and downs, that's not really the same as an entire team being full of nobodies with low or no results. if the implication is that skt could take prime and make them a playoff team then it's an absurd one

people love to blame coaches because there's literally no way to prove it right or wrong yet you can argue as adamantly as you please that there's something "wrong with the coaching" or whatever. it's just intellectual laziness and its boring

does skt have better coaching than prime and does it matter? yes, like i already said it probably does matter. but attributing their entire failure to that and not admitting the players just aren't that talented is unfair and silly

There's a reason they bought out Zoun from PRIME and not BBoongBBoong. SKT has some monstrous coaching (they basically changed Dream and Dark from Tier 2 or 3 players into championship contenders), but they pick up people only that they can see have potential.
tl;dr SKT is better than PRIME because they can afford both superb coaches and superb players


SK Telecom is worth about 20 billion dollars, is anyone unrealistic enough to assume that a team like Prime has a realistic chance to compete with them at any level?

no
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
September 03 2015 20:48 GMT
#76
I honestly find it hard to believe that Prime has survived this long. Always clinging to hope, barely.
But not even Prime can last forever. Even if SC2 was prospering in Korea, which it isn't, Prime would basically be on life support.

At this point, from a monetary standpoint, I'm guessing only the greatest of champions and a couple of others (Parting, Flash, Rain, Life, Hero) are making any more money than they would working a retail job or something like that.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
September 03 2015 21:34 GMT
#77
So... Hopefully KeSPA just get in and replace PRIME with another team already?
FiendwOw
Profile Joined July 2015
3 Posts
September 04 2015 01:24 GMT
#78
PRIME-Flashwolves join forces and give PartinG some Terrans in the roster lol
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
September 04 2015 09:57 GMT
#79
On September 04 2015 04:25 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2015 02:25 Ej_ wrote:
On September 04 2015 02:14 brickrd wrote:
On September 03 2015 04:30 Shuffleblade wrote:
On September 03 2015 02:44 brickrd wrote:
On September 03 2015 02:20 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for Prime or to assign blame at this point. I have a feeling the correct feeling is somewhere in the middle. Regardless of how we should feel about their performance something needs to be done.

What?

i dont really believe "coaching" or team environment matters that much, i mean sure its significant but at the end of the day there are only so many tier 1 players in the league and prime just has the lowest distribution of them

short of magically having money to sign all the good free agents, i don't think there's really much blame to assign. they're a bad team with bad players, it happens in every sports league

Well the past results contradicts your statement. Good teams makes good players and bad team can totally wreck good players. Look at Myungsik he went to Prime, went mediocre/bad, he went to KT and his results sky rocketed. How did Yodas move to Prime go for him, well since he went there his results have plummeted.

How did Departure do on Prime? How have he been doing on MVP? Exponentially better.

Innovation was struggling, went to SKT and now he's kicking ass, Impact was a mess, who would have thought he would be doing in well and winning games in pro-league half a year ago?

The signs are there to see everywhere, a bad player goes to a good team expect great improvement, a great player going to Prime and expect a slump.

you have very very badly missed the point, as i clearly said yes it's significant but team environment can't change the level of talent someone has. i could spend twelve hours a day in a korean teamhouse and i would probably still top out at master

your random examples don't really demonstrate anything, especially when it comes to players like inno who already showed a top level of play and had ups and downs. every player has ups and downs, that's not really the same as an entire team being full of nobodies with low or no results. if the implication is that skt could take prime and make them a playoff team then it's an absurd one

people love to blame coaches because there's literally no way to prove it right or wrong yet you can argue as adamantly as you please that there's something "wrong with the coaching" or whatever. it's just intellectual laziness and its boring

does skt have better coaching than prime and does it matter? yes, like i already said it probably does matter. but attributing their entire failure to that and not admitting the players just aren't that talented is unfair and silly

There's a reason they bought out Zoun from PRIME and not BBoongBBoong. SKT has some monstrous coaching (they basically changed Dream and Dark from Tier 2 or 3 players into championship contenders), but they pick up people only that they can see have potential.
tl;dr SKT is better than PRIME because they can afford both superb coaches and superb players


SK Telecom is worth about 20 billion dollars, is anyone unrealistic enough to assume that a team like Prime has a realistic chance to compete with them at any level?

no

i doubt the team budget is the only thing SKT uses his money in
I like starcraft
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