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Greatest Players of All Time: The Finale - Page 4

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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 29 2015 21:45 GMT
#61
On April 30 2015 06:43 Zealously wrote:
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On April 30 2015 06:42 Skynx wrote:
Did you had to cut down part for Life especially cuz you couldnt fit Mvp?


No, he just knew I have covered everything there is to say about Life at least twice

haha fair enough
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FoolSC
Profile Joined June 2014
United Kingdom11 Posts
April 29 2015 21:45 GMT
#62
There is only one Lord of the Wings. And he does not share power!
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 29 2015 21:46 GMT
#63
On April 30 2015 06:44 JJH777 wrote:
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On April 30 2015 06:37 SpunXtain20 wrote:
Hey guys just wanted to weigh in and say you counted Blizzcon 2011 twice.

In terms of Life vs MVP, MVP did it during GomTvT; Life did it when his race was the weakest. Life also has prevailed in the wake of KeSPA.

MVP was a good player. He was certainly the best Terran of 2011. He won a remarkable number of titles during this period because there were more of them to win. GSL was almost monthly then; now its 3 times a year. It's not really a fair comparison.

1. Life 2. MC 3. MVP 4. Zest 5. soO


Life's highest peak was during the BL/Infestor era.... MVPs GSL win vs Squirtle came at a time where Protoss was ridiculous dominant.

MVP's list of achievements is missing gainward. Definitely deserves to be at least a Tier 3 event. Godly player pool for the time it happened and was played offline.


You're making an uneven argument. Life's most dominant streak was during the BL/infestor era, yes, but Mvp's most dominant streak was not when Terran was at its weakest - it was in early 2011, when Terran was universally considered the strongest race. For proper comparison, you should compare Mvp's win vs Squirtle to Life's win at MLG Dallas or his out-of-the-blue win at Blizzcon 2014.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 29 2015 21:47 GMT
#64
Thank you stuchiu for getting it right
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 21:48:53
April 29 2015 21:47 GMT
#65
I actually think Life's MLG Dallas win was most like Nestea's GSL Open Season 2 win except with harder players.

Extremely early in the meta before anyone quite knew what they were doing. Zerg was seen as weak, Terran abused their slightly better (or better? depends who you ask) race and they both won over Terran players.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 29 2015 21:52 GMT
#66
lol that sig Shellbot
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 29 2015 21:52 GMT
#67
That was beautiful
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
April 29 2015 21:56 GMT
#68
Life is #1 6 months from now guaranteed.
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MelonLord
Profile Joined April 2015
2 Posts
April 29 2015 21:57 GMT
#69
What the heck was the context behind the mousepad picture in Life's section? (With Nestea and Marineking?)
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
April 29 2015 21:57 GMT
#70
On April 30 2015 05:54 stuchiu wrote:
I know most of you just read the order but #1 is 89000 words long, that is 1/4th the entire article for all 15 players combined.

8900, right? not 89,000? I have 250 page books that are ~60,000 words...

That write up for Mvp was pretty sweet. I'm really glad I took the time to read it.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13976 Posts
April 29 2015 22:02 GMT
#71
sOs and DRG cheated

but seriously insane work stuch! such a long freakin article must have taken forever to writeup
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 22:06:36
April 29 2015 22:02 GMT
#72
On April 30 2015 06:30 Xrero wrote:
If Mvp transitioned late into SC2, he wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as Life. There are much more talented players currently. Mvp played in an era where MKP and Nestea consistently made GSL finals...
He was smart and skilled for the time though.


If Boxer played later in BW he'd suck as well, he played in an era where a foreigner could win a starleague. Whoop dee dipity doo. While we are at it lets do this with every other sport and talk about how much less successful players in the past would be and how inferior their competition was. While we are at it, I'm jumping at head of the time, with that in the future Life wouldn't be nearly as successfully if he played later compared to random dominant kid who hasn't even played Starcraft yet. Therefore Nameless Bonjwa is #1.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 29 2015 22:03 GMT
#73
On April 30 2015 06:52 Skynx wrote:
lol that sig Shellbot

I forgot I had that there lol
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The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
April 29 2015 22:10 GMT
#74
Yessss it's the only one I read completely and it was awesome
Liquid`Bunny
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark145 Posts
April 29 2015 22:12 GMT
#75
The feels, back in WoL i would watch every single Mvp game. Definitely the most inspirational player ever to me, happy to see him at #1
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CptMarvel
Profile Joined May 2014
France236 Posts
April 29 2015 22:13 GMT
#76
While I disagree with some of this list (chiefly the absence of PartinG) I consider the three top spots to be, in that exact order, undisputable. I understand people arguing for Life #1 while bringing forth his results and dominance but stuchiu has brilliantly underlined something that can't be overlooked : Mvp has been injured for more than half of his career.
Results are not the only thing that make a player, stories are essential too, and I can't think of anyone with a better story than Mvp. His fourth GSL win was, by a distance, my most emotional SC2 moment. I'd actually go as far as comparing it to Federer's Wimbledon win the same year : against strong odds, relying on sheer talent and brilliance alone. I cried after both.

Haven't paid attention to SC2 for quite a while, this article sure resparked my interest. Thanks stuchiu.

Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 29 2015 22:15 GMT
#77
For those arguing recency/skill improvement: You can't tell what this game would be like if not for Mvp. Metas changed because of Mvp. Patches changed because of Mvp. Player opportunities differed because Mvp was there. Had Mvp not been Mvp, would MMA have become the legend he was for being able to stop him? Would anyone have been able to stop NesTea, or Squirtle? The story goes that as BL/Infestor was coming into prominence, Blizzard said they were considering buffing Terran. Then Mvp won IEM Cologne, and suddenly they didn't want to buff Terran anymore. A few months later, Life won the GSL in a favored meta, a success that he parlayed into one of the most successful careers in the history of the game. Would Life have become Life if not for Mvp? Maybe. But then again, maybe not.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 29 2015 22:15 GMT
#78
On April 30 2015 06:57 Maasked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 05:54 stuchiu wrote:
I know most of you just read the order but #1 is 89000 words long, that is 1/4th the entire article for all 15 players combined.

8900, right? not 89,000? I have 250 page books that are ~60,000 words...

That write up for Mvp was pretty sweet. I'm really glad I took the time to read it.


Hhahahaha oops
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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
April 29 2015 22:17 GMT
#79
So Stephano isnt a top15 player? I know there is lots of foreigner bias and he never competed seriously in GSL. But still, not amongst the top15? that just doesnt feel right
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 29 2015 22:18 GMT
#80
Anyone who thinks life is #1 is a moron
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