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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
April 29 2015 21:30 GMT
#41
Mvp is too good. We'll see in a year though...
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Xrero
Profile Joined August 2010
United States120 Posts
April 29 2015 21:30 GMT
#42
If Mvp transitioned late into SC2, he wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as Life. There are much more talented players currently. Mvp played in an era where MKP and Nestea consistently made GSL finals...
He was smart and skilled for the time though.
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sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 21:32:23
April 29 2015 21:31 GMT
#43
Great article, it's funny when you read the comparisons of who they went through Life's opponent's are almost always much tougher, like I said Mvp has the strongest claim to bonjua, but Life is the GOAT. Post-Kespa switch tournaments should really be ranked a bit higher than the 2010-2012 stuff, we had a huge turnover of pros quitting because they couldn't handle the increased competition.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 21:32:43
April 29 2015 21:32 GMT
#44
On April 30 2015 06:30 Xrero wrote:
If Mvp transitioned late into SC2, he wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as Life. There are much more talented players currently. Mvp played in an era where MKP and Nestea consistently made GSL finals...
He was smart and skilled for the time though.

I suggest you read the article. Even when nearly a cripple and far removed from his prime, he kept up with INnoVation, who was at that point a legitimate monster. It's not that easy.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
April 29 2015 21:33 GMT
#45
This article turned SC2 Staff Chat into a nightmare, make it stahp.
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Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
April 29 2015 21:34 GMT
#46
On April 30 2015 06:30 Xrero wrote:
If Mvp transitioned late into SC2, he wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as Life. There are much more talented players currently. Mvp played in an era where MKP and Nestea consistently made GSL finals...
He was smart and skilled for the time though.


Had MVP not been injured he would be a laugher for best player ever.

Even after his injury and with almost no practice Innovation barely got past MVP 3-2 in the WCS world semifinals.

And yeah, those players that were competing against MVP would suck now like bomber, mma, polt, mc, maru...
Milna
Profile Joined May 2014
United Kingdom3 Posts
April 29 2015 21:36 GMT
#47
IMO if you do this list a year from now, Mvp will still be top and life will be maybe top 5 at best. He's been on a tear but his skill comes and goes. Mvp was crazy dominant for almost 2 years. Did you know that from his first GSL win until the end of WoL Mvp was in half of the GSL finals? And from there he took the win 2 in 3 times.
StarMiles
Profile Joined April 2015
1 Post
April 29 2015 21:36 GMT
#48
Great list. I'm surprised that there was no mention of Life being a "Royal Roader" though. Also, while Mvp had to deal with physical adversity, Life had to balance StarCraft and school at only 15 years old. Like Mvp, he could not practice full-time. As stated by the StarTale coach: "Because of the law for the compulsory shutdown, the tournament had to be played earlier, and to have enough attendance at school, Life is unable to attend the media day in the morning. As a student in middle school, Life faces a lot of restrictions. We can overlook the compulsory education, but now there's this law for the forced shutdown. This makes it really difficult for the player to play to the best of his ability, and I think it's quite a pity."
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 21:37:23
April 29 2015 21:36 GMT
#49
On April 30 2015 06:05 travis wrote:
so silly that people are still living in the past. this is exactly what I expected though, and most people will incorrectly support mvp at #1

life has been as dominant as mvp except he has been doing it for way longer.

I read this as "I looked at the numbers and didn't like them, can't be bothered reading the whole thing.".
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SpunXtain20
Profile Joined January 2014
Australia554 Posts
April 29 2015 21:37 GMT
#50
Hey guys just wanted to weigh in and say you counted Blizzcon 2011 twice.

In terms of Life vs MVP, MVP did it during GomTvT; Life did it when his race was the weakest. Life also has prevailed in the wake of KeSPA.

MVP was a good player. He was certainly the best Terran of 2011. He won a remarkable number of titles during this period because there were more of them to win. GSL was almost monthly then; now its 3 times a year. It's not really a fair comparison.

1. Life 2. MC 3. MVP 4. Zest 5. soO
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 29 2015 21:37 GMT
#51
On April 30 2015 06:36 Milna wrote:
IMO if you do this list a year from now, Mvp will still be top and life will be maybe top 5 at best. He's been on a tear but his skill comes and goes. Mvp was crazy dominant for almost 2 years.


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huktillidie
Profile Joined October 2014
Norway9 Posts
April 29 2015 21:39 GMT
#52
Don't really care about the journalism stuff because it is obviously biased. The only thing to look at is their achievements and prize winnings, and I see only one outcome: Life as #1.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
April 29 2015 21:39 GMT
#53
Lol zealously so salty

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
April 29 2015 21:40 GMT
#54
On April 30 2015 06:39 huktillidie wrote:
Don't really care about the journalism stuff because it is obviously biased. The only thing to look at is their achievements and prize winnings, and I see only one outcome: Life as #1.

I don't care about your opinion because it's biased.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 29 2015 21:41 GMT
#55
On April 30 2015 06:37 SpunXtain20 wrote:
Hey guys just wanted to weigh in and say you counted Blizzcon 2011 twice.

In terms of Life vs MVP, MVP did it during GomTvT; Life did it when his race was the weakest. Life also has prevailed in the wake of KeSPA.

MVP was a good player. He was certainly the best Terran of 2011. He won a remarkable number of titles during this period because there were more of them to win. GSL was almost monthly then; now its 3 times a year. It's not really a fair comparison.

1. Life 2. MC 3. MVP 4. Zest 5. soO


Oops that was supposed to be Blizz Cup 2012 for the second one.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 29 2015 21:42 GMT
#56
Did you had to cut down part for Life especially cuz you couldnt fit Mvp?
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
April 29 2015 21:43 GMT
#57
On April 30 2015 06:42 Skynx wrote:
Did you had to cut down part for Life especially cuz you couldnt fit Mvp?


No, he just knew I have covered everything there is to say about Life at least twice
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
April 29 2015 21:44 GMT
#58
On April 30 2015 06:43 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 06:42 Skynx wrote:
Did you had to cut down part for Life especially cuz you couldnt fit Mvp?


No, he just knew I have covered everything there is to say about Life at least twice

Only twice? You should put more effort into being his #1 fan, don't you think?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
April 29 2015 21:44 GMT
#59
On April 30 2015 06:37 SpunXtain20 wrote:
Hey guys just wanted to weigh in and say you counted Blizzcon 2011 twice.

In terms of Life vs MVP, MVP did it during GomTvT; Life did it when his race was the weakest. Life also has prevailed in the wake of KeSPA.

MVP was a good player. He was certainly the best Terran of 2011. He won a remarkable number of titles during this period because there were more of them to win. GSL was almost monthly then; now its 3 times a year. It's not really a fair comparison.

1. Life 2. MC 3. MVP 4. Zest 5. soO


Life's highest peak was during the BL/Infestor era.... MVPs GSL win vs Squirtle came at a time where Protoss was ridiculous dominant.

MVP's list of achievements is missing gainward. Definitely deserves to be at least a Tier 3 event. Godly player pool for the time it happened and was played offline.
Koromon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States304 Posts
April 29 2015 21:45 GMT
#60
On April 30 2015 06:21 Gwavajuice wrote:
Great passion you have and epic writtings (haven't read everything yet sorry), said epicness will maybe redeem the fact your forgot Parting


I guessed the players for 6-10 and 1-5 right! Guessed Nestea/MMA and Life/Mvp backwards though.
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