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Greatest Players of All Time: Part 2 - Page 22

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The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
April 19 2015 23:21 GMT
#421
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2015 06:22 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 12:54 stuchiu wrote:
On April 19 2015 12:50 elwoodng wrote:
I miss Nestea 😢 what is he doing now?


aww, such an epic picture



That's how champions sleep, gloriously.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3769 Posts
April 19 2015 23:23 GMT
#422
On April 20 2015 08:17 PartyBiscuit wrote:
I'd have sacked Leenock at 15 for Stephano or Polt, if either of those two make Top 5 it seems extremely soft. The Top 4 is already clear that it's going to include Taeja/MC/Life/Mvp

I don't think any of TaeJa's championships counts as "Tier 1" by Stuchiu's standards - so it's possible that TaeJa won't be in top 5.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 19 2015 23:25 GMT
#423
On April 20 2015 08:23 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 08:17 PartyBiscuit wrote:
I'd have sacked Leenock at 15 for Stephano or Polt, if either of those two make Top 5 it seems extremely soft. The Top 4 is already clear that it's going to include Taeja/MC/Life/Mvp

I don't think any of TaeJa's championships counts as "Tier 1" by Stuchiu's standards - so it's possible that TaeJa won't be in top 5.


He's in the picture though, picture clue too strong.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3769 Posts
April 19 2015 23:28 GMT
#424
On April 20 2015 08:25 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 08:23 nimdil wrote:
On April 20 2015 08:17 PartyBiscuit wrote:
I'd have sacked Leenock at 15 for Stephano or Polt, if either of those two make Top 5 it seems extremely soft. The Top 4 is already clear that it's going to include Taeja/MC/Life/Mvp

I don't think any of TaeJa's championships counts as "Tier 1" by Stuchiu's standards - so it's possible that TaeJa won't be in top 5.


He's in the picture though, picture clue too strong.

True.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-19 23:37:59
April 19 2015 23:31 GMT
#425
On April 20 2015 08:23 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 08:17 PartyBiscuit wrote:
I'd have sacked Leenock at 15 for Stephano or Polt, if either of those two make Top 5 it seems extremely soft. The Top 4 is already clear that it's going to include Taeja/MC/Life/Mvp

I don't think any of TaeJa's championships counts as "Tier 1" by Stuchiu's standards - so it's possible that TaeJa won't be in top 5.


Sure they do based on what he's counted so far from other players.

both ro4 code S appearances
2013 WCS Season 2 finals 3-4th
2013 DH Bucharest 1st
2013 DH Winter 1st
2014 Blizzcon 3-4th
2014 IEM Shenzhen 1st
2014 IEM World Championship 3-4th
2014 DH Winter 3rd

should all be tier-1. Especially since Rain's ro8-only, 4-day Hotsix cup is somehow a tier-1 event.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19371 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-19 23:50:42
April 19 2015 23:47 GMT
#426
How can anyone argue against Polt after seeing his wiki page and realizing how good he has been for so long. Either this is a list made on peak performance or overall results. So far it has been the latter. Peak performances can't be as easily analyzed because patch player have really high peaks such as Puma before 1 1 1 patch.
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BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 00:00:46
April 20 2015 00:00 GMT
#427
"The easy choice would have been to move on. Nearing the age of 30, Nestea was already 5 years past the usual time when Korean BW players had given up the mouse. Players who had done more, who had shown more potential than him, had long given up. They told him he was too old, too slow, and his time was up. The smart choice would have been to move on, to let go. No one would have blamed him; in fact no one would have noticed. The only one who would have blamed Nestea was Nestea. And that was all it took and Nestea, completely incapable of giving up his dream, would take on the challenge one last time and the world would be his witness."

Yo man I just had to quote that cause that was some fantastic fucking writing there man, legit felt pumped after reading that A+

Fantastic work and can't wait for part 3
420
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
April 20 2015 00:05 GMT
#428
On April 20 2015 08:47 BisuDagger wrote:
How can anyone argue against Polt after seeing his wiki page and realizing how good he has been for so long. Either this is a list made on peak performance or overall results. So far it has been the latter. Peak performances can't be as easily analyzed because patch player have really high peaks such as Puma before 1 1 1 patch.


Polt's wiki page is ridiculous, the only one bigger is Taeja's, but it contains even less Korean tournaments.

egernya
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada352 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 01:28:55
April 20 2015 01:24 GMT
#429
Assuming that LIfe. MVP, and MC are in the top 5 for sure, I can't believe one of SoS and Parting is not one for the best 15 players of Starcraft 2 with taeja in it. (Come on, they both won one of the WCS Grand Finals!)
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 20 2015 02:47 GMT
#430
On April 20 2015 09:00 BongChambers wrote:
"The easy choice would have been to move on. Nearing the age of 30, Nestea was already 5 years past the usual time when Korean BW players had given up the mouse. Players who had done more, who had shown more potential than him, had long given up. They told him he was too old, too slow, and his time was up. The smart choice would have been to move on, to let go. No one would have blamed him; in fact no one would have noticed. The only one who would have blamed Nestea was Nestea. And that was all it took and Nestea, completely incapable of giving up his dream, would take on the challenge one last time and the world would be his witness."

Yo man I just had to quote that cause that was some fantastic fucking writing there man, legit felt pumped after reading that A+

Fantastic work and can't wait for part 3


Ir hurts that my morals wouldn't let me rig the PR to put him higher :[
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 20 2015 02:48 GMT
#431
if it were up to me and stu then yugioh would be in this
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
April 20 2015 03:04 GMT
#432
On April 20 2015 11:48 lichter wrote:
if it were up to me and stu then yugioh would be in this

The wording of this leaves me feeling I am going to be very disappointed come part 3
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
April 20 2015 04:44 GMT
#433
On April 20 2015 11:47 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 09:00 BongChambers wrote:
"The easy choice would have been to move on. Nearing the age of 30, Nestea was already 5 years past the usual time when Korean BW players had given up the mouse. Players who had done more, who had shown more potential than him, had long given up. They told him he was too old, too slow, and his time was up. The smart choice would have been to move on, to let go. No one would have blamed him; in fact no one would have noticed. The only one who would have blamed Nestea was Nestea. And that was all it took and Nestea, completely incapable of giving up his dream, would take on the challenge one last time and the world would be his witness."

Yo man I just had to quote that cause that was some fantastic fucking writing there man, legit felt pumped after reading that A+

Fantastic work and can't wait for part 3


Ir hurts that my morals wouldn't let me rig the PR to put him higher :[


You could have justified it by pointing out that he ran into MVP 6 times in 2011 or he would most likely have another big tournament win. Plus Gainward could have been considered a high tier event. It was almost all played offline (top 32+ was offline) and for the time it was played it had pretty much all the good players. Only big omission was MC. Though Nestea's bracket in it was pretty easy.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
April 20 2015 07:05 GMT
#434
Rain, Innovation AND Zest are all in the top10 and MMA only being top6? o.O
This ranking becomes more and more random(not in a negative way!) and I am looking forward to stuchiu's initial ranking (prior his research!)!

lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 20 2015 07:21 GMT
#435
i don't agree with most of the rankings but this is about as far from random as possible. stu put at least 10x more research into this than any armchair analyst that has posted here or on reddit.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
April 20 2015 07:24 GMT
#436
On April 20 2015 16:21 lichter wrote:
i don't agree with most of the rankings but this is about as far from random as possible. stu put at least 10x more research into this than any armchair analyst that has posted here or on reddit.


Of course he put tons of research in it and I value his work of this rankings greatly. Random may be the wrong word and as I said I really don't mean it negatively! I don't know what word I need to describe it so I just put random in there.
Please don't see it in a negative light, I've loved his readings so far.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 20 2015 07:36 GMT
#437
it's probably more like 'unexpected', since i was also surprised at how some of the tournaments ended up weighing with each other
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 20 2015 07:52 GMT
#438
On April 20 2015 16:36 lichter wrote:
it's probably more like 'unexpected', since i was also surprised at how some of the tournaments ended up weighing with each other

It's one of those instances where you truly have to consider the difference between a player's successes on paper and their importance in the context of the history of the game, and decide what's important in the end. Like that ranking that showed HongUn in the Top 15 earlier - he's a footnote at most in SC2 history.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
April 20 2015 07:53 GMT
#439
I think it's because all rankings will be highly subjective; they all depend on how highly you rate certain paths through competitions and the strengths of certain opponents, as well as the true intangibles like innovation. It's just not possible to do this purely objectively, and the only way to do it IMO is how stuchiu's done it, by fully laying out how his biases and opinions have quantified the statistics.
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FaultyReDD
Profile Joined August 2012
25 Posts
April 20 2015 08:00 GMT
#440
5. parting
4. mc
3. polt
2. life
1. teaja

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