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On April 15 2015 21:38 negativedge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I am just saying that you shouldn't only look at the result of last code s and value it the same as the results of last year for example.
The reset changed a lot and will take a while to have the best 32 players in code s again (i mean that probably was never the case, but close enough)
I think MMA is probably a code s player, but i doubt he really is a semi finalist tbh do you know who is a code s semi-finalist? the people who get to the code s semi finals. the point of a tournament is to differentiate between reality and the fantasy land in your brain. in the tournament, they play the games. in your head, they don't. do you know who consistently finishes in the round of 4 or higher in code s? no one. mvp and soo are the only players in the history of this game to do so with any consistency. does no one else count?
YOu don't want to get my point, that's ok i guess.
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your point is that somehow Code S isn't a good tournament, and that beating Dear, Dark, Innovation and TY doesn't count because I don't know
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My point is that code S isn't as strong as it was due to the total reset and the volatility it created. This will slowly change over time again, it already does this season.
I don't even wanna say MMA is bad and his semi final doesn't mean anything (i mean he did beat Innovation and Dark in the ro16), but i also think the path to get to the semi was overall easier than the average path usually is.
You probably won't agree with that?
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MMA is pretty overrated here, but its ok, each one has his own oppinion. Just strange to see that players like Inno, sOs, Zest, Rain, herO, Soulkey etc are most likely getting ranked below the Stars of Wings, just because they arent Oldschool or coz they got a boring personality or whatever. Most players of WoL didnt stand a chance against the best guys from KeSPa during HotS tbh, I can say that even though I havent followed much of the 2nd half of HotS, What has Polt accomplished lately? (didnt follow the scene recently as I mentioned so dont bash me)
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On April 15 2015 22:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
My point is that code S isn't as strong as was due to the total reset and the volatility it created.
I don't even wanna say MMA is bad and his semi final doesn't mean anything (i mean he did beat Innovation and Dark in the ro16), but i also think the path to get to the semi was overall easier than the average path usually is.
You probably won't agree with that?
MMA played: Dear, Dark (2x), INnoVation, TY to get to the semis.
PartinG played: First, MC, Maru (3 times), Solar
herO played: TaeJa, Curious, MC, Maru, Rogue
Life played: Gumiho (2x), Rain, YoDa, Soulkey, INnoVation
I would not say that this is necessarily easier overall. Some individually weaker players are in there, but most of those are still world class players.
On April 15 2015 22:19 Inzan1ty wrote:
MMA is pretty overrated here, but its ok, each one has his own oppinion. Just strange to see that players like Inno, sOs, Zest, Rain, herO, Soulkey etc are most likely getting ranked below the Stars of Wings, just because they arent Oldschool or coz they got a boring personality or whatever. Most players of WoL didnt stand a chance against the best guys from KeSPa during HotS tbh, I can say that even though I havent followed much of the 2nd half of HotS, What has Polt accomplished lately? (didnt follow the scene recently as I mentioned so dont bash me)
Won WCS Premier League 2 weeks ago.
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Hey, you asked  . He was one of the most successful Terrans in 2014 tho.
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On April 12 2015 03:36 Zealously wrote:
CAN YOU GUESS THE PLAYERS THAT WILL BE IN PART 2?
I'll buy you 3 months of TL+ if you guess right, 6 if you get the order right
#10 stephano
#09 taeja
#08 parting
#07 innovation
#06 polt
#05 mma
#04 nestea
#03 mc
#02 mvp
#01 life
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you all serious? Maru should be like top 5 at least
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:19 Inzan1ty wrote:
MMA is pretty overrated here, but its ok, each one has his own oppinion. Just strange to see that players like Inno, sOs, Zest, Rain, herO, Soulkey etc are most likely getting ranked below the Stars of Wings, just because they arent Oldschool or coz they got a boring personality or whatever. Most players of WoL didnt stand a chance against the best guys from KeSPa during HotS tbh, I can say that even though I havent followed much of the 2nd half of HotS, What has Polt accomplished lately? (didnt follow the scene recently as I mentioned so dont bash me)
Just read over the criteria here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/482944-the-process-of-creating-the-top-15-greatest-list
It's not like I just blindfolded myself and threw darts at a wall.
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On April 15 2015 23:05 Kingsky wrote:
you all serious? Maru should be like top 5 at least
But was where in Wings? Nowhere near his level now.
There are just more attractive options with Bomber, Bogus and TaeJa, and I wouldn´t want the whole Top 5 filled with Terrans.
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BTW, i didn't want to say that MMA should be low on this list here.
I think MMA is one of the greatest players sc2 has seen
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France1387 Posts
On April 15 2015 23:05 Kingsky wrote:
you all serious? Maru should be like top 5 at least
#3 on my list. Anyway, stuchiu probably got this figured out. I'm just anxious to see whether mvp is #1.
It's dawning on me more and more what a great idea and article this is, all props.
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Russian Federation66 Posts
On April 15 2015 19:57 Inzan1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 03:29 Frakkofff wrote:
So many stupid people on this thread.
sOs... Seriously? maybe YOU are the stupid one, and some people just show their own personal Top 10, because they dont need to get a TL+ ? sOs easily belongs Top 10 IMO, he won some of the hardest contested and stacked tournaments ever, in fact by that, he won a lot of prize money in a short period of time, while MMA ...I´am not so sure about, dude didnt accomplish much after Wings. I would have probably put him somewhere around 11-13.
Waow, you are really dumb.
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On April 15 2015 22:56 LSN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 03:36 Zealously wrote:
CAN YOU GUESS THE PLAYERS THAT WILL BE IN PART 2?
I'll buy you 3 months of TL+ if you guess right, 6 if you get the order right #10 stephano #09 taeja #08 parting #07 innovation #06 polt #05 mma #04 nestea #03 mc #02 mvp #01 life
Wanna update that first list that I made pretty much out of the gut. Now I compared some results in liquipedia. Also read that hint of 3 out of 10 are not in.
Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 04:30 KalWarkov wrote:
i have a problem. i have 12 players left for 10 spots :O
Zest
Nestea
Innovation
sOs
Bomber
Taeja
Polt
Parting
MMA
MC
Life
MVP Hint: three of those aren't in the Top 10
these are for sure: sos & zest and,
one out of parting, bomber or polt
- polt or - parting, bomber got overall better results in stacked tournaments and if bomber goes in one of parting or polt must go out. Really hard to pick but I go with parting and put polt out.
- stephano
+ bomber: his performances are just too impressive to not be in this list
+ x: who is the missing link?
x could be again stephano or jaedong, san, liquid.hero, rain, and whoever else I forgot. Gotta guess here.
As soo is in the list with a bunch of second places in a short period I go with jaedong who also got 2nd in global finals which usually is the most stacked tournament of the year.
New List:
#10 jaedong
#09 taeja
#08 parting
#07 bomber
#06 innovation
#05 nestea
#04 mma
#03 mc
#02 mvp
#01 life
p.s: I enjoyed this guessing game!
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On April 15 2015 21:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I am just saying that you shouldn't only look at the result of last code s and value it the same as the results of last year for example.
The reset changed a lot and will take a while to have the best 32 players in code s again (i mean that probably was never the case, but close enough)
I think MMA is probably a code s player, but i doubt he really is a semi finalist tbh
Last code S had 32 best players in it... no idea why would you think it didnt? Those that didnt get in were beaten by those that did... so its only your subjective feeling that those dropped to A were better than those in S because reasons...
I bet you are one of those who thinks kespa players > all and couldnt accept that in code S there were more of those returning to korea, non-kespa guys than kespa players... so it wasnt "best players". But guess what... they were better than kespa players and deserved to be there. So 32 best players were in code S... the best of the best
How are some players among "best" 32 if they failed to get into best 32? Every single player in there had 2 chances to get in and those that lost both... well, were not best 32 at the time, obviously!
Also the way MMA played, he had every right to be in semi finals... saying you doubt he is a semi finalist is a bit silly... considering he beat guys you think are good enough to be there... and him/those guys he beat all did beat others you think are among "best" to get there... its not like someone put him there because they like him... or anyone else getting into code S
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My guess:
10 Taeja
9 Parting
8 Polt
7 Innovation
6 MMA
5 Zest
4 Nestea
3 MC
2 Life
1 MVP
Taeja should not be in the list... but hey, this is TL !
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On April 17 2015 05:39 Xamo wrote:
My guess:
10 Taeja
9 Parting
8 Polt
7 Innovation
6 MMA
5 Zest
4 Nestea
3 MC
2 Life
1 MVP
Taeja shouls not be in the list... but hey, this is TL !
Why should Polt be on the list but not TaeJa?
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On April 17 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 05:39 Xamo wrote:
My guess:
10 Taeja
9 Parting
8 Polt
7 Innovation
6 MMA
5 Zest
4 Nestea
3 MC
2 Life
1 MVP
Taeja shouls not be in the list... but hey, this is TL !
Why should Polt be on the list but not TaeJa?
Good question... Perhaps both of them should not be in the list, according to their results in tier-1 tornaments. I just feel they will be there.
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