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Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
April 09 2015 22:20 GMT
#101
Not that I like SH, I utterly hate them, but how the fuck is Zerg supposed to fight Toss past the early mid game without them?? Roach/Hydra/Viper falls off so quickly, and I don't think 1 extra range to blinding cloud will make all that much difference there in the end..
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Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
April 09 2015 22:28 GMT
#102
Blizzard is doing to the SH the same they did with the infestor: nerfing it to utter uselessness. I mean, come on, Zergs have a lot of harassement (mutas, runbys, bane drops, nydus, etc). Why they are so obsessed with harassement? They try to sell us the new SH as an harassement unit, and come on, 200 vespene gas? Lair tech?

Meh, now ZvP will return to mid-game all-ins. Good work Blizzard, now Protoss will dominate the metagame once again
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
April 09 2015 22:36 GMT
#103
On April 10 2015 07:28 Apoteosis wrote:
Blizzard is doing to the SH the same they did with the infestor: nerfing it to utter uselessness. I mean, come on, Zergs have a lot of harassement (mutas, runbys, bane drops, nydus, etc). Why they are so obsessed with harassement? They try to sell us the new SH as an harassement unit, and come on, 200 vespene gas? Lair tech?

Meh, now ZvP will return to mid-game all-ins. Good work Blizzard, now Protoss will dominate the metagame once again


What about broodlords?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
April 09 2015 22:38 GMT
#104
And nerfed tempests. And buffed Vipers.

Zerg lategame will be fine i think.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
April 09 2015 22:40 GMT
#105
I always liked the original SwarmHost, it was a great defensive unit. I'm very sad to see it go. We zergs don't need another micro-y harassment unit.
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 09 2015 22:43 GMT
#106
On April 10 2015 07:12 blade55555 wrote:
Enjoy getting rolled over late game zergies. Mwhahahahahahaha

Of course. You have ravagers and lurkers. Not your problem. Talking about swarm-solidarity...
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 22:48:33
April 09 2015 22:45 GMT
#107
bye bye mech in tvp. What the hell am i now supposed to do in that matchup?
pull scvs?

edit: in tvz mech seems to be dead to. DK really hates variety in playstyles. prepare to see 100% bio until LOTV
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 22:50:31
April 09 2015 22:47 GMT
#108
On April 10 2015 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
bye bye mech in tvp. What the hell am i now supposed to do in that matchup?
pull scvs?

make Battlecruisers. Tempest are now shit against them and they counter Carriers which are the real problem. That's what I will try at least. This could end up as a nice buff to endgame Mech TvP actually.

queing up!
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
April 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#109
So they've updated the maps but not added the 2nd ladder season? I'm confused
toddinator716
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 23:01:43
April 09 2015 22:58 GMT
#110
awesome so they added a bunch of shitty maps and removed the only remaining half decent zerg unit.. well done, what an excellent way to show your appreciation for my $100 purchase of your shit game
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
April 09 2015 22:59 GMT
#111
Not sure I approve of the Viper buff, now there isn't much counter-play to stopping a blindling cloud short of having enough tempests to blast them out of the skies as it will be much harder to get high templar close enough to feedback.

Also RIP zerg late game.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
theprofessor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Japan108 Posts
April 09 2015 23:01 GMT
#112
is the patch live yet?
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
April 09 2015 23:10 GMT
#113
I'm still really worried about Zerg lategame. Basically I think every Zerg but Life will struggle even more with these changes.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
April 09 2015 23:10 GMT
#114
how about we go back to WoL? HotS wont be good no matter how hard Blizzard tries.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
April 09 2015 23:21 GMT
#115
On April 10 2015 07:47 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
bye bye mech in tvp. What the hell am i now supposed to do in that matchup?
pull scvs?

make Battlecruisers. Tempest are now shit against them and they counter Carriers which are the real problem. That's what I will try at least. This could end up as a nice buff to endgame Mech TvP actually.

queing up!


What about void rays though?
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10352 Posts
April 09 2015 23:34 GMT
#116
are swarmhosts a problem? yes.

but were they an integral part for zergs to deal with late game protoss? yes.

maybe a nerf in damage and spawning time would have helped i think, but this is far overkill imo. broodlords i guess????
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 09 2015 23:35 GMT
#117
On April 10 2015 08:21 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 07:47 Big J wrote:
On April 10 2015 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
bye bye mech in tvp. What the hell am i now supposed to do in that matchup?
pull scvs?

make Battlecruisers. Tempest are now shit against them and they counter Carriers which are the real problem. That's what I will try at least. This could end up as a nice buff to endgame Mech TvP actually.

queing up!


What about void rays though?

yamato one shots it them from 10range. the hard part is preventing the templar fram mass feedbacking, but that's what your tanks and ghosts are for.
CanadianSC
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada53 Posts
April 09 2015 23:40 GMT
#118
Can't wait to all in very game again, I missed not needing to marco, thanks blizz :/
Zerg is a hard race. -DRG
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 09 2015 23:42 GMT
#119
On April 10 2015 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
bye bye mech in tvp. What the hell am i now supposed to do in that matchup?
pull scvs?

edit: in tvz mech seems to be dead to. DK really hates variety in playstyles. prepare to see 100% bio until LOTV

lol come on, ravens were just broken as fuck
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
April 10 2015 00:00 GMT
#120
Why did the change the map pool a few days before season ends? What's going on?!?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
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