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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
July 31 2014 17:41 GMT
#141
I guess the new MVP will just be MVP in name only, minus a lot of the old iconic players and the old coach. It's not necessarily bad if they find good new homes, but MVP just isn't the same without DRG or Keen.
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Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 17:50:07
July 31 2014 17:41 GMT
#142
On August 01 2014 02:37 myxoma_strain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 02:36 Lumi wrote:
Okay, my tin foil hat is now on. NEW THEORY. KeSPA wasn't going to allow MVP in the next season of pro league, due to poor performance. They inform MVP, MVP responds by becoming a new team which features more overall fan favorites. MVP is allowed to remain in pro league.

That sounds pretty stupid to me. But, *takes tin foil hat off* - we should remember that these are KeSPA teams, now. KeSPA is very involved in these kinds of affairs. Did my second to least favorite organization in the world (westboro baptists #1) just shit all over my favorite team in the world?

*puts tin foil hat back on, grabs sword, leaves nerd cave*

Not allow MVP to compete, but keep Prime?


Yeah, that's the largest part of why that sounds stupid :D But I have a growing feeling that KeSPA is very involved in this. Not only are these things within the realm of their job criteria, I'm also noting the smooth transition of Byul into his new team. KeSPA sees to these kinds of things with individual players. They very plausibly, if not likely, saw to the finding of new homes for these players who will now be playing for MVP, too. Only, I don't think things would just so happen that, as MVP released their entire squad, with no plans for what to do next... KeSPA finds a full new team to supply them with. That's a little bit too much coincidence for me to overlook. And while I think it's actually rather obvious, normal, that KeSPA would be involved.. the extent to which they are, and exactly what is taking place.. remains a kept secret. I know that total transparency isn't exactly the golden standard for teams or other organizations, in our community or in others - but the fact that the dismissal of team MVP's roster, even, has been kept silent.. this seems like less transparency than we might typically expect. And I think about KeSPA, the kinds of people its members are, the way the organization rolls.. how this would be a fitting behavior for them.

Ahh, soo juicy. If I could just penetrate the fog in my crystal globe. Huuuuunnnnnnnghhhhhhh. *Stares wildly into it, resolute*
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
July 31 2014 17:45 GMT
#143


DRG has officially left MVP apparently. Was suspected, but not confirmed.
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myxoma_strain
Profile Joined December 2013
United Kingdom371 Posts
July 31 2014 17:47 GMT
#144
On August 01 2014 02:45 Yorkie wrote:
https://twitter.com/DRGTheZerg/status/494889483163037697

DRG has officially left MVP apparently. Was suspected, but not confirmed.

You're late to the party, check OP
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 31 2014 17:52 GMT
#145
We all know that a newly formed team with bundles of new players with no synergy will do absolutely shit in PL.

You can all expect MVP to fare just as bad (if not worse) than this PL season.

This is only to delay the inevitable team disbandment.
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Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 18:08:56
July 31 2014 17:55 GMT
#146
On August 01 2014 02:52 Xiphos wrote:
We all know that a newly formed team with bundles of new players with no synergy will do absolutely shit in PL.

You can all expect MVP to fare just as bad (if not worse) than this PL season.

This is only to delay the inevitable team disbandment.


It's plausible, although, appreciating that logic, I'm still hesitant to completely discount a strong set of players. And some of them have been on IM together for a while. Something interesting to note, though. It's the ex ESF teams that are struggling in performance and dying as teams. And this rebuilt team is just a regathering of ex ESF players - including even the players they are partnering with for PL. Original KeSPA teams have now completely taken over the Korean scene. Out of the 32 players for next seasons Code S, only three are ex ESF. The rest are original KeSPA players.
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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
July 31 2014 17:55 GMT
#147
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe
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Synergysc
Profile Joined September 2013
United States25 Posts
July 31 2014 17:55 GMT
#148
Sad to see DRG leave MVP after over 3 years Hope MVP does well in PL regardless
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
July 31 2014 17:59 GMT
#149
On August 01 2014 02:47 myxoma_strain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 02:45 Yorkie wrote:
https://twitter.com/DRGTheZerg/status/494889483163037697

DRG has officially left MVP apparently. Was suspected, but not confirmed.

You're late to the party, check OP

Meh he only beat me by a little bit
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 31 2014 18:01 GMT
#150
On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe


With this announcement, Prime is dead.

IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.

Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
July 31 2014 18:03 GMT
#151
On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe


With this announcement, Prime is dead.

IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.

Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.

Startale is in.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
July 31 2014 18:06 GMT
#152
On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe


With this announcement, Prime is dead.

IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.

Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.

How does this announcement mean Prime is dead?
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 31 2014 18:08 GMT
#153
On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:
On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe


With this announcement, Prime is dead.

IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.

Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.

Startale is in.


With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material.

Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings.

What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 18:10:56
July 31 2014 18:10 GMT
#154
On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:
On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:
On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe


With this announcement, Prime is dead.

IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.

Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.

Startale is in.


With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material.

Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings.

What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs


Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA. I don't know that it's really the end of the world if they 'can't compete'. But KeSPA may disagree.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
July 31 2014 18:10 GMT
#155
On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:
On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:
On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe


With this announcement, Prime is dead.

IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.

Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.

Startale is in.


With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material.

Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings.

What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs

Apparently they are recruiting new players so I'm not sure. Life/Curious/Hack isn't the worst group in the world so if they get another they should be alright.

Also just because there are weaker teams doesn't mean they should form some super team just to have a shot at winning. You don't see Tampa Bay, Miami, and Jacksonville forming team Florida in the NFL just so they can make the playoffs.
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
July 31 2014 18:10 GMT
#156
On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:
On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:
On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe


With this announcement, Prime is dead.

IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.

Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.

Startale is in.


With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material.

Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings.

What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs

Startale is recruiting atm, also if they want to get into PL, poaching the free agents is a very realistic move. Plus Axiom's Olimo was talking about IM's future (someone stated in the earlier pages I think), it looks good according to her.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
TTBest
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany74 Posts
July 31 2014 18:10 GMT
#157
Wow, to be fair, i didn't expect the Korean scene to be that flexible and to be able to reconstitute itself one more time. But I'm glad this seems to be the case. It's sad that there wil be no more MVPDRG, though. Maybe a foreign team next? His english skills are pretty good!
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 31 2014 18:11 GMT
#158
On August 01 2014 03:10 Lumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:
On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:
On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:
On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe


With this announcement, Prime is dead.

IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.

Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.

Startale is in.


With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material.

Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings.

What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs


Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA.


Yeah those teams shouldn't exist either.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
July 31 2014 18:12 GMT
#159
On August 01 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 03:10 Lumi wrote:
On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:
On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:
On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:
On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.


If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.


You gotta believe


With this announcement, Prime is dead.

IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.

Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.

Startale is in.


With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material.

Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings.

What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs


Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA.


Yeah those teams shouldn't exist either.

Yeah because teams that were once bad never work their way up to being good over time. That never happens.
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Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
July 31 2014 18:12 GMT
#160
I forgot that Startale was also actively recruiting, now, too. It could all make sense, simply. Or this could be a further sign that pressure is coming down on these straggling performers, by KeSPA.
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