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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
June 23 2014 16:16 GMT
#21
It would be stupid to do Kespa vs Non Kespa because pllayers like Maru or Parting are doing like god and are on old kespa team. And anyway they are all kespa team now.
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
June 24 2014 09:22 GMT
#22
On June 24 2014 01:16 Faust852 wrote:
It would be stupid to do Kespa vs Non Kespa because pllayers like Maru or Parting are doing like god and are on old kespa team. And anyway they are all kespa team now.


True. Its still a fact that former esf players are not doing so well anymore (some exceptions) or the old kespa players are just better now although they started to play sc2 much later.
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SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France898 Posts
June 24 2014 14:20 GMT
#23
On June 23 2014 12:18 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 02:46 ElriCtheProtoss wrote:
does anyone know the songs in Proleague, especially the ending music in round 4?


MINDMINDMINDMINDMINDMINDMINDMINDMINDMINDMINDMIND


I laughed so hard. :D
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Axxis
Profile Joined May 2010
United States133 Posts
June 25 2014 01:33 GMT
#24
This season has developed much different than i would've thought. CJ lost some heartbreakers in the last couple seasons. Good to see them live up to their potential. I really felt SKT1 would be first place as they've been so strong this year. I also felt KT would be in second and pull ahead of CJ. I guess things have worked out just right for them but I'm not so sure they're the best team right now. I didn't think prime was particularly a good team but I never saw them going 0-6. Maru just completely fell on his face and Stork is kicking ass. Gotta love proleague!
What we obtain too cheaply; we esteem too lightly. It is in dearness only that gives everything it's value.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 25 2014 15:37 GMT
#25
On June 24 2014 01:11 lichter wrote:
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On June 24 2014 01:10 frosecold wrote:
On June 22 2014 04:52 Lorning wrote:
On June 22 2014 03:32 endy wrote:
lol KeSPA 18-2

Kespa is 20 - 0

Or 0 - 20

Or however you want to look at it



would you explain that to me? i think i knew the starcraft scene but i dont know what you mean


Everyone is Kespa, technically


Especially since star players of WoL that reprented eSF like MVP, NesTea and MC were KespA players at their time. (Like all starting IM player if i recall).

In truth their was never a KespA vs eSF.
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
June 26 2014 13:22 GMT
#26
On June 26 2014 00:37 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 01:11 lichter wrote:
On June 24 2014 01:10 frosecold wrote:
On June 22 2014 04:52 Lorning wrote:
On June 22 2014 03:32 endy wrote:
lol KeSPA 18-2

Kespa is 20 - 0

Or 0 - 20

Or however you want to look at it



would you explain that to me? i think i knew the starcraft scene but i dont know what you mean


Everyone is Kespa, technically


Especially since star players of WoL that reprented eSF like MVP, NesTea and MC were KespA players at their time. (Like all starting IM player if i recall).

In truth their was never a KespA vs eSF.


Well its true that most of them were former Kespa players. Although most of them were B teamers or practice partners and never or hardly played in any broodwar proleague.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 26 2014 13:38 GMT
#27
the esf vs kespa thing is simple, just recognize the dynamic nature of both. there's no unchanging qualitiy associated with each, though there are some structural elements that affect talent flow.

esf at first were indeed mostly washed up bw guys or underappreciated trainees. but given the late adoption of sc2, there were some new talent that sought out esf instead of being absorbed into the established kespa feeder system. the first generation of new sc2 players, represented by the likes of parting, life etc, are legit talents. they however are from a different source material than the washed up old pros like nestea.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 26 2014 13:43 GMT
#28
On June 26 2014 22:22 TaShadan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 00:37 FFW_Rude wrote:
On June 24 2014 01:11 lichter wrote:
On June 24 2014 01:10 frosecold wrote:
On June 22 2014 04:52 Lorning wrote:
On June 22 2014 03:32 endy wrote:
lol KeSPA 18-2

Kespa is 20 - 0

Or 0 - 20

Or however you want to look at it



would you explain that to me? i think i knew the starcraft scene but i dont know what you mean


Everyone is Kespa, technically


Especially since star players of WoL that reprented eSF like MVP, NesTea and MC were KespA players at their time. (Like all starting IM player if i recall).

In truth their was never a KespA vs eSF.


Well its true that most of them were former Kespa players. Although most of them were B teamers or practice partners and never or hardly played in any broodwar proleague.


This is true. Only thing i miss from eSF is that we had some kind of rivalries. We don't have much of this those days. Loved rivalries and interviews that came with it.
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JimdSC
Profile Joined June 2014
2 Posts
June 27 2014 18:05 GMT
#29
Flash-PartinG and Zest-Soulkey oh shit this will be good
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