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Please clean up the quality of your posting. This thread has definitely taken a turn for the worse.
ItzShakti
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil43 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-15 19:57:04
June 15 2014 19:55 GMT
#141
I would feel sorry for ruff if he didnt bm me everytime we play on ladder, but its pretty hard to feel sorry for someone that has the need to bm everyone who beats him.
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 15 2014 19:56 GMT
#142
I just don't see how he couldn't have known that it would come to this. SC2 teams struggle enough without having to worry about one bad apple blowing their image to hell.
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InFluenza
Profile Joined January 2014
Netherlands55 Posts
June 15 2014 19:58 GMT
#143
On June 16 2014 04:54 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:52 Xoronius wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:50 InFluenza wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:47 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:45 InFluenza wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:40 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:38 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:36 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:33 EarthwormJim wrote:
I feel like people need to grow tougher skins.

I have witnessed a few of these public lynching.. kind of embarrassing to be part of a community where the maturity level is so low - then again, you see it in politics too. Must be some phenomenon that happens I'm not aware of, could be just a human thing I guess. Like that psychology study Stanford prison experiment or some schadenfreude type of deal.


Maturity level is low because we're trying to get rid of someone who shit on a seriously sick person? Maybe we're trying to increase the average maturity level here.


what do you mean by that? he's already been kicked out of his team. What else do you want

Apologies. He was saying it's embarrassing to be a part of this community that does this to players. I was just saying that what happened to Ruff is justified (him being kicked)

Bad wording on my part.

You want apologies? He already apologized afaik.


Haha i think you misunderstood a bit

Well, sorry if that is so.

To clarify: DH didn't want apologies, he apologies himself for the confusion his earlier post caused, since someone misunderstood it.

Which caused further confusion. Darkhorse the cryptic post champion

Yes, I was about to demand another apology from him for that, but since we are in a rather serious topic here, that would probably have beeen inappropriate.

Well, I understand the posts now. My apologies for my misunderstanding it at first. Let's get this thread back on track
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EarthwormJim
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada94 Posts
June 15 2014 19:58 GMT
#144
On June 16 2014 04:38 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 04:36 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:33 EarthwormJim wrote:
I feel like people need to grow tougher skins.

I have witnessed a few of these public lynching.. kind of embarrassing to be part of a community where the maturity level is so low - then again, you see it in politics too. Must be some phenomenon that happens I'm not aware of, could be just a human thing I guess. Like that psychology study Stanford prison experiment or some schadenfreude type of deal.


Maturity level is low because we're trying to get rid of someone who shit on a seriously sick person? Maybe we're trying to increase the average maturity level here.


what do you mean by that? he's already been kicked out of his team. What else do you want

Well said psycho - I hope darkhorse reads that.

Also, crohne's disease is very unpleasant but I wouldn't define that as a seriously sick person - and frankly I didn't see him shit on a sick person - his comments were more or less envious of the money, no?

I have coeliac's disease - I don't consider myself in danger even though I was unaware of my disease and was malnourished for a very long time (majority of my life). My best friend's brother has crohne's disease - it's terrible, but he doesn't consider himself to be seriously ill.

A lot of people are looking at what Ruff said as some attack on his health situation, where it's more or less about the money he received in a plea for sympathy. And tbh, I doubt the envy part is true either, sounds like Ruff was pissed off and used the guy's weakness to hurt him, which is typical symptom of anger.

Which brings me back to my original point - the maturity of this community is low - but you see it everywhere, so I wonder if it's just a human thing. To reply to what you said , you are certainly not increasing the maturity level - the complete opposite.
Groovy
Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
June 15 2014 19:59 GMT
#145
On June 16 2014 04:39 Stress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 04:34 Psychobabas wrote:
What kind of medical bills are we talking about here? How high?


Well, I had to take my Dad to the emergency room a few months back and we were there for around 2.5 hours and the bill was nearly $600. If you have to stay for an extended period of time in the hospital and have surgery the medical bills are easily going to be 10s of thousands of dollars. If you don't have medical insurance it literally puts most people into financial ruin.


I'm so glad I don't live in the land of the free.
Trubs
Profile Joined June 2014
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-15 20:01:48
June 15 2014 20:01 GMT
#146
TB, you gave your opinion about what you'd do, and then immediately berated someone else who gave his opinion about what he'd do in the same situation acting like your opinion is so much more valuable and nobody should disagree. Personally I think his solution was much more reasonable. Why don't you shut the hell up before making yourself look even more ignorant, rude, and stupid in this thread.

User was banned for this post.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
June 15 2014 20:03 GMT
#147
On June 16 2014 04:58 EarthwormJim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 04:38 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:36 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:33 EarthwormJim wrote:
I feel like people need to grow tougher skins.

I have witnessed a few of these public lynching.. kind of embarrassing to be part of a community where the maturity level is so low - then again, you see it in politics too. Must be some phenomenon that happens I'm not aware of, could be just a human thing I guess. Like that psychology study Stanford prison experiment or some schadenfreude type of deal.


Maturity level is low because we're trying to get rid of someone who shit on a seriously sick person? Maybe we're trying to increase the average maturity level here.


what do you mean by that? he's already been kicked out of his team. What else do you want

Well said psycho - I hope darkhorse reads that.

Also, crohne's disease is very unpleasant but I wouldn't define that as a seriously sick person - and frankly I didn't see him shit on a sick person - his comments were more or less envious of the money, no?

I have coeliac's disease - I don't consider myself in danger even though I was unaware of my disease and was malnourished for a very long time (majority of my life). My best friend's brother has crohne's disease - it's terrible, but he doesn't consider himself to be seriously ill.

A lot of people are looking at what Ruff said as some attack on his health situation, where it's more or less about the money he received in a plea for sympathy. And tbh, I doubt the envy part is true either, sounds like Ruff was pissed off and used the guy's weakness to hurt him, which is typical symptom of anger.

Which brings me back to my original point - the maturity of this community is low - but you see it everywhere, so I wonder if it's just a human thing. To reply to what you said , you are certainly not increasing the maturity level - the complete opposite.


You might consider knowing what you're talking about before you speak. Minigun hasn't been mildly inconvenienced by his disease, he was recently SERIOUSLY sick. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/450513-my-absence-for-the-past-4-weeks-wcs-match
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-15 20:06:30
June 15 2014 20:04 GMT
#148
On June 16 2014 05:01 Trubs wrote:
TB, you gave your opinion about what you'd do, and then immediately berated someone else who gave his opinion about what he'd do in the same situation acting like your opinion is so much more valuable and nobody should disagree. Personally I think his solution was much more reasonable. Why don't you shut the hell up before making yourself look even more ignorant, rude, and stupid in this thread.


You can disagree, but my opinion is so much more valuable, that's how opinions work. I have more experience and standing so my opinion is worth more. That's how it works in all walks of life. As a team owner, my opinion on what the appropriate punishment for a player in violation of his contractual obligations to not be a twat (that'd be the gross misconduct section of the contract), has more weight, standing and value than a random forum posters would. That poster could make a very interesting point by backing his argument up with evidence and reasoning, experience isn't everything, but he failed to do that and so did you (because you are the same person).

Nice sockpuppet account. You're not very good at this though.

Why don't you shut the hell up before making yourself look even more ignorant, rude, and stupid in this thread.


I liked this line in particular. There's so much irony and hypocrisy stuffed into so few words, I'll remember it the next time I want to pretend to be a moron on the internet.
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EarthwormJim
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada94 Posts
June 15 2014 20:07 GMT
#149
On June 16 2014 05:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 04:58 EarthwormJim wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:38 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:36 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:33 EarthwormJim wrote:
I feel like people need to grow tougher skins.

I have witnessed a few of these public lynching.. kind of embarrassing to be part of a community where the maturity level is so low - then again, you see it in politics too. Must be some phenomenon that happens I'm not aware of, could be just a human thing I guess. Like that psychology study Stanford prison experiment or some schadenfreude type of deal.


Maturity level is low because we're trying to get rid of someone who shit on a seriously sick person? Maybe we're trying to increase the average maturity level here.


what do you mean by that? he's already been kicked out of his team. What else do you want

Well said psycho - I hope darkhorse reads that.

Also, crohne's disease is very unpleasant but I wouldn't define that as a seriously sick person - and frankly I didn't see him shit on a sick person - his comments were more or less envious of the money, no?

I have coeliac's disease - I don't consider myself in danger even though I was unaware of my disease and was malnourished for a very long time (majority of my life). My best friend's brother has crohne's disease - it's terrible, but he doesn't consider himself to be seriously ill.

A lot of people are looking at what Ruff said as some attack on his health situation, where it's more or less about the money he received in a plea for sympathy. And tbh, I doubt the envy part is true either, sounds like Ruff was pissed off and used the guy's weakness to hurt him, which is typical symptom of anger.

Which brings me back to my original point - the maturity of this community is low - but you see it everywhere, so I wonder if it's just a human thing. To reply to what you said , you are certainly not increasing the maturity level - the complete opposite.


You might consider knowing what you're talking about before you speak. Minigun hasn't been mildly inconvenienced by his disease, he was recently SERIOUSLY sick. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/450513-my-absence-for-the-past-4-weeks-wcs-match

OK so I retract what I said about my coeliac and crohne's, doesn't effect the rest of the things I said, which was my original point.

If you are dying or not - sounds like the guy was just pissy, and now the community is lynching him. Seen it a few times in this community - as with politics when a guy says binder full of women, etc.
Groovy
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 15 2014 20:09 GMT
#150
So... this guy is a d-bag and annoys people in a daily basis on ladder, finally he got punished, that's great!

But what I am more concerned about is the large amount of people finding this behaviour a minor thing, thinking the punishment was harsh, and/or suggesting we grow a thicker skin. It seems d-baggery is becoming accepted more and more. That's sad.
Trubs
Profile Joined June 2014
United States2 Posts
June 15 2014 20:09 GMT
#151
You want to talk about hypocrisy? How about that time you told someone to get cancer and die? How about that time you called someone a faggot and never apologized because it "encapsulated exactly what he was"? Huh? How about that? What if your entire public image was pretty much completely destroyed by those incidents, like Ruff's will be. By the way, i'm not a user who was banned from this thread, this is just the day I decided to make a new TL account because I haven't logged into my other one in about 3.5 years and didn't feel like trying to figure out the password. Like I said, you should stop posting because you're now coming off as arrogant as well as stupid.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 15 2014 20:09 GMT
#152
On June 16 2014 05:01 Trubs wrote:
TB, you gave your opinion about what you'd do, and then immediately berated someone else who gave his opinion about what he'd do in the same situation acting like your opinion is so much more valuable and nobody should disagree. Personally I think his solution was much more reasonable. Why don't you shut the hell up before making yourself look even more ignorant, rude, and stupid in this thread.

Generally I would take opinions on how to run a team from someone who runs a team over someone who does not, much like I would take medical advice from a doctor rather than someone posting on a TL thread who I don't know or I would take legal advice from a lawyer rather than someone posting on a TL thread who I don't know or x expert in some field over that aforementioned TL poster.
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HN_KrO
Profile Joined December 2013
United Kingdom9 Posts
June 15 2014 20:10 GMT
#153
I occasionally come back to tl in recent years and what is the north American Starcraft scene up to? - Drama and little in the way of results or anything positive. Oh well, check back in a few more months I suppose for my seasonal dose of e-sport disappointment.
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
June 15 2014 20:11 GMT
#154
On June 16 2014 05:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 05:01 Trubs wrote:
TB, you gave your opinion about what you'd do, and then immediately berated someone else who gave his opinion about what he'd do in the same situation acting like your opinion is so much more valuable and nobody should disagree. Personally I think his solution was much more reasonable. Why don't you shut the hell up before making yourself look even more ignorant, rude, and stupid in this thread.


You can disagree, but my opinion is so much more valuable, that's how opinions work. I have more experience and standing so my opinion is worth more. That's how it works in all walks of life.


Oh come on.
The big gaming news outlets have more experience and standing, does that mean their opinions should trump yours?

Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 15 2014 20:11 GMT
#155
On June 16 2014 04:58 EarthwormJim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 04:38 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:36 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:33 EarthwormJim wrote:
I feel like people need to grow tougher skins.

I have witnessed a few of these public lynching.. kind of embarrassing to be part of a community where the maturity level is so low - then again, you see it in politics too. Must be some phenomenon that happens I'm not aware of, could be just a human thing I guess. Like that psychology study Stanford prison experiment or some schadenfreude type of deal.


Maturity level is low because we're trying to get rid of someone who shit on a seriously sick person? Maybe we're trying to increase the average maturity level here.


what do you mean by that? he's already been kicked out of his team. What else do you want

Well said psycho - I hope darkhorse reads that.

Also, crohne's disease is very unpleasant but I wouldn't define that as a seriously sick person - and frankly I didn't see him shit on a sick person - his comments were more or less envious of the money, no?

I have coeliac's disease - I don't consider myself in danger even though I was unaware of my disease and was malnourished for a very long time (majority of my life). My best friend's brother has crohne's disease - it's terrible, but he doesn't consider himself to be seriously ill.

A lot of people are looking at what Ruff said as some attack on his health situation, where it's more or less about the money he received in a plea for sympathy. And tbh, I doubt the envy part is true either, sounds like Ruff was pissed off and used the guy's weakness to hurt him, which is typical symptom of anger.

Which brings me back to my original point - the maturity of this community is low - but you see it everywhere, so I wonder if it's just a human thing. To reply to what you said , you are certainly not increasing the maturity level - the complete opposite.

If you read back a few pages you can see that I did read that and clarify. And yeah I see the community getting overall more mature without Ruff being on a legit team given what he said.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
June 15 2014 20:11 GMT
#156
On June 16 2014 04:58 InFluenza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 04:54 Xoronius wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:52 Xoronius wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:50 InFluenza wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:47 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:45 InFluenza wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:40 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:38 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:36 Darkhorse wrote:
[quote]
Maturity level is low because we're trying to get rid of someone who shit on a seriously sick person? Maybe we're trying to increase the average maturity level here.


what do you mean by that? he's already been kicked out of his team. What else do you want

Apologies. He was saying it's embarrassing to be a part of this community that does this to players. I was just saying that what happened to Ruff is justified (him being kicked)

Bad wording on my part.

You want apologies? He already apologized afaik.


Haha i think you misunderstood a bit

Well, sorry if that is so.

To clarify: DH didn't want apologies, he apologies himself for the confusion his earlier post caused, since someone misunderstood it.

Which caused further confusion. Darkhorse the cryptic post champion

Yes, I was about to demand another apology from him for that, but since we are in a rather serious topic here, that would probably have beeen inappropriate.

Well, I understand the posts now. My apologies for my misunderstanding it at first. Let's get this thread back on track

I meant another apology from Darkhorse, not from you. I apologize for not califying that.
JMDj
Profile Joined September 2010
United States454 Posts
June 15 2014 20:11 GMT
#157
On June 16 2014 05:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:

You can disagree, but my opinion is so much more valuable, that's how opinions work.


The narcissism is real.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 15 2014 20:12 GMT
#158
On June 16 2014 05:11 Broodwurst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 05:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On June 16 2014 05:01 Trubs wrote:
TB, you gave your opinion about what you'd do, and then immediately berated someone else who gave his opinion about what he'd do in the same situation acting like your opinion is so much more valuable and nobody should disagree. Personally I think his solution was much more reasonable. Why don't you shut the hell up before making yourself look even more ignorant, rude, and stupid in this thread.


You can disagree, but my opinion is so much more valuable, that's how opinions work. I have more experience and standing so my opinion is worth more. That's how it works in all walks of life.


Oh come on.
The big gaming news outlets have more experience and standing, does that mean their opinions should trump yours?


Not in the field of running a team that's for sure which is what we're talking about here.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
EarthwormJim
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada94 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-15 20:15:17
June 15 2014 20:14 GMT
#159
On June 16 2014 05:11 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 04:58 EarthwormJim wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:38 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:36 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 16 2014 04:33 EarthwormJim wrote:
I feel like people need to grow tougher skins.

I have witnessed a few of these public lynching.. kind of embarrassing to be part of a community where the maturity level is so low - then again, you see it in politics too. Must be some phenomenon that happens I'm not aware of, could be just a human thing I guess. Like that psychology study Stanford prison experiment or some schadenfreude type of deal.


Maturity level is low because we're trying to get rid of someone who shit on a seriously sick person? Maybe we're trying to increase the average maturity level here.


what do you mean by that? he's already been kicked out of his team. What else do you want

Well said psycho - I hope darkhorse reads that.

Also, crohne's disease is very unpleasant but I wouldn't define that as a seriously sick person - and frankly I didn't see him shit on a sick person - his comments were more or less envious of the money, no?

I have coeliac's disease - I don't consider myself in danger even though I was unaware of my disease and was malnourished for a very long time (majority of my life). My best friend's brother has crohne's disease - it's terrible, but he doesn't consider himself to be seriously ill.

A lot of people are looking at what Ruff said as some attack on his health situation, where it's more or less about the money he received in a plea for sympathy. And tbh, I doubt the envy part is true either, sounds like Ruff was pissed off and used the guy's weakness to hurt him, which is typical symptom of anger.

Which brings me back to my original point - the maturity of this community is low - but you see it everywhere, so I wonder if it's just a human thing. To reply to what you said , you are certainly not increasing the maturity level - the complete opposite.

If you read back a few pages you can see that I did read that and clarify. And yeah I see the community getting overall more mature without Ruff being on a legit team given what he said.

I saw when I posted - you are trying to dismantle what I am saying by focusing on stupid things

And if that's really what you think, then you should have said that originally, because I agree with that point. But that has nothing to do with what I said and I think you are just trying to climb out of the hole you made? I was talking about how the community reacts, and you've slowly slithered to a different pov. What's the deal yo?
On June 16 2014 05:11 Swagasaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 05:04 TotalBiscuit wrote:

You can disagree, but my opinion is so much more valuable, that's how opinions work.


The narcissism is real.

Wow... Do you have any idea how wrong that is to say man? Just lost a fan :s
Groovy
acerimmer
Profile Joined June 2014
United States1 Post
June 15 2014 20:16 GMT
#160
I was debating to stop my sub for his twitch stream but with him losing his team, I'm having second thoughts.
I can definitely understand banning him from your tournaments TB, but saying an apology is nothing...
You did work (have him co-cast) with Idra after he F'd up.
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