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On June 16 2014 04:26 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:19 ROOTFayth wrote:On June 16 2014 04:15 Shikyo wrote:On June 16 2014 04:02 BreAKerTV wrote:On June 16 2014 03:52 Karpfen wrote:On June 16 2014 03:51 GranDGranT wrote:On June 16 2014 03:50 Karpfen wrote:On June 16 2014 03:04 GranDGranT wrote:
I wont say it as rudely , but Begging for money no matter the cause is Lame.
But, If your gonna be a superstar like Ruff, you gotta act like it Yes, better to die slowly and painfully right? Thank god very stupid people like you don't know they are stupid else you'd be begging for money. I have a Job, I dont need to beg for money XD ah, then I suppose the best thing to do is waiting for a cure for stupidity so you can pay for it with the money from your job. IKR, Cut minigun a break. He's a college student, and the amount he owes the hospital is the same amount of money a wal-mart employee makes working full time for one year, assuming they don't spend any of the money they make. While everyone's free to spend their money how they wish, talking in this tone is in my opinion uncalled for. I personally feel like people should take care of their own problems. I'm sure there's numerous people in a similiar situation who don't get the help. In addition, there's numerous better charity targets in developing countries where a similiar amount of money could save hundreds or thousands of people instead of one By the way, I still think that Ruff's comment wasn't an appropriate one but I believe that if this was the only offense, it would be an overreaction. . so if like your wife or your mother was dying and you could save her with like 20k, you'd use that money to save more lives from people you don't know in another country? what a hero It's hard to say as I haven't ever had that much money, but that comparison is on a significantly different scale on both fronts(how close I am to the person and how serious the situation is).
The comparison is off but seriously, you would save your family member.. Don't beat around the bush
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How old is Ruff? He has the maturity of a 12 year old.
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On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate
This does a lot more for their own PR tbh. "We made the guy who made fun of someone with a serious disease sit out for a few weeks" doesn't sound as strong as, "We cut that guy who made fun of someone with a serious disease"
Also the guy acted like a dick. I wouldn't want that on my team again.
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On June 16 2014 04:27 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:25 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:23 ROOTFayth wrote:On June 16 2014 04:20 LongShot27 wrote:
A lot of pro-gamers are dicks on ladder, because he said something targeted at someones illness doesn't make it any better or worse. But oh well. of course it makes it worse wtf, when you tell someone they're fucking bad at starcraft, it's nowhere near as bad as what Ruff said No it really doesn't. If he's a dick, he's a dick. It doesn't matter if he's making fun of a person's skill, their height, their illness or what they had for lunch. Stop trying to compartmentalize being a d-bag. Not all d-bag-ness is created equal. If Ruff had said, "You suck Protoss imba" or w/e this wouldn't be a problem. Making fun of a disease is a problem because it is insensitive and shows a complete lack of personal empathy for someone struggling financially and physically. There is a difference.
He didn't make fun of a disease, he made fun of a person for what he saw as using being sick to get money.
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"I'm sorry, I did it because he said mean things and one time I saved my brother's life" isn't an apology.
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On June 16 2014 04:30 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:27 Darkhorse wrote:On June 16 2014 04:25 LongShot27 wrote:On June 16 2014 04:23 ROOTFayth wrote:On June 16 2014 04:20 LongShot27 wrote:
A lot of pro-gamers are dicks on ladder, because he said something targeted at someones illness doesn't make it any better or worse. But oh well. of course it makes it worse wtf, when you tell someone they're fucking bad at starcraft, it's nowhere near as bad as what Ruff said No it really doesn't. If he's a dick, he's a dick. It doesn't matter if he's making fun of a person's skill, their height, their illness or what they had for lunch. Stop trying to compartmentalize being a d-bag. Not all d-bag-ness is created equal. If Ruff had said, "You suck Protoss imba" or w/e this wouldn't be a problem. Making fun of a disease is a problem because it is insensitive and shows a complete lack of personal empathy for someone struggling financially and physically. There is a difference. He didn't make fun of a disease, he made fun of a person for what he saw as using being sick to get money.
w/e I could clean up the language, but my point stands that what Ruff did is beyond the typical ladder bm. That should be clear.
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On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate
If a player on my team ever said something like that he'd be out on the street in a heartbeat. All these ideas of made-up punishments are irrelevant. It seems appropriate? Based on what, your expert knowledge of running Starcraft 2 teams? That's as arbitrary as anything else. Hey here's an idea, ya got a cancer in your team, cut it out and move on before it kills you.
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I feel like people need to grow tougher skins.
I have witnessed a few of these public lynching.. kind of embarrassing to be part of a community where the maturity level is so low - then again, you see it in politics too. Must be some phenomenon that happens I'm not aware of, could be just a human thing I guess. Like that psychology study Stanford prison experiment or some schadenfreude type of deal.
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On June 16 2014 04:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate If a player on my team ever said something like that he'd be out on the street in a heartbeat. All these ideas of made-up punishments are irrelevant. It seems appropriate? Based on what, your expert knowledge of running Starcraft 2 teams? That's as arbitrary as anything else. Hey here's an idea, ya got a cancer in your team, cut it out and move on before it kills you.
I'm not wasting my time on someone who refuses to consider other peoples opinions or points.
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On June 16 2014 04:15 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:02 BreAKerTV wrote:On June 16 2014 03:52 Karpfen wrote:On June 16 2014 03:51 GranDGranT wrote:On June 16 2014 03:50 Karpfen wrote:On June 16 2014 03:04 GranDGranT wrote:
I wont say it as rudely , but Begging for money no matter the cause is Lame.
But, If your gonna be a superstar like Ruff, you gotta act like it Yes, better to die slowly and painfully right? Thank god very stupid people like you don't know they are stupid else you'd be begging for money. I have a Job, I dont need to beg for money XD ah, then I suppose the best thing to do is waiting for a cure for stupidity so you can pay for it with the money from your job. IKR, Cut minigun a break. He's a college student, and the amount he owes the hospital is the same amount of money a wal-mart employee makes working full time for one year, assuming they don't spend any of the money they make. While everyone's free to spend their money how they wish, talking in this tone is in my opinion uncalled for. I personally feel like people should take care of their own problems. I'm sure there's numerous people in a similiar situation who don't get the help. In addition, there's numerous better charity targets in developing countries where a similiar amount of money could save hundreds or thousands of people instead of one By the way, I still think that Ruff's comment wasn't an appropriate one but I believe that if this was the only offense, it would be an overreaction. .
I don't think you understand the gravity of Minigun's situation. In America, when you have to spend a lot of time in the hospital all at once, you can come out of it with an obscenely high bill. Think about it, you just got pasta terrible situation, you are still enduring the condition, and now you are swimming in medical bills and you are unable to participate in the activity that is your main/only source of income. That puts a tremendous psychological/physical burden to endure. I don't blame him for a second for thinking, "maybe I can ask for help." He just asked, to see if there was anyone out there who would pitch in something small to get him back on his feet. I understand the "do it yourself" mentality, but in this case I can't begrudge him that in the slightest.
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good and quick reaction from ivd. This is why people needs to control their emotion. Video games no longer your 'escape reality' heaven once your decided to go pros... Worse, at least dont bm on your main account, thats just blind rage and poor decision making in life.
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On June 16 2014 04:33 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate If a player on my team ever said something like that he'd be out on the street in a heartbeat. All these ideas of made-up punishments are irrelevant. It seems appropriate? Based on what, your expert knowledge of running Starcraft 2 teams? That's as arbitrary as anything else. Hey here's an idea, ya got a cancer in your team, cut it out and move on before it kills you. I'm not wasting my time on someone who refuses to consider other peoples opinions or points.
I'm leaving in a huff because someone else stated their own opinion or point and I'm going to say that I won't argue with them because they won't consider my opinion or point. It's just not fair!
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What kind of medical bills are we talking about here? How high?
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On June 16 2014 03:50 ROOTFayth wrote:
It's pretty mind boggling how someone who's 30 yrs old wouldn't know what line not to cross, you never ever get that personal over a game, or over anything really
social skills 101?
Oh, I remember you from the Scarlett Fanclub. When did your social skills start kicking in?
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On June 16 2014 04:34 Psychobabas wrote:
What kind of medical bills are we talking about here? How high?
Multiple tens of thousands of dollars most likely
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On June 16 2014 04:29 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:27 LongShot27 wrote:
"I dunno what other punishment they'd have for him."
A month's suspension seems appropriate This does a lot more for their own PR tbh. "We made the guy who made fun of someone with a serious disease sit out for a few weeks" doesn't sound as strong as, "We cut that guy who made fun of someone with a serious disease"
On that last point by the way, personally I don't think I would even post this online for everyone to see, as I'd assume he'd be released from his team. Here I'd be thinking "Is what he said bad enough so that I'd want him to be kicked from his team?" Probably not. Something like saying in a calm tone that "hey, that's pretty uncalled for. It's just a game, all right? You don't really mean that, do you?" And give him a chance to apologize for it and that's that. In fact, I probably would just ignore it altogether as it's really not a big deal. Hence I'm not really into tweeting about it in the first place
This is also a reason why I'm not into these huge witch hunt stuffs. One person's always painted the bad guy, the retaliation must be swift and powerful and whatnot, when in the first place it's really not even a big deal and they could make up and have no hard feelings privately with no issues. It reminds me of that Idra situation, which I completely disagreed with as well.
Finally about that thing about me saving my family member, perhaps but I have no idea what that has to do with this.
On June 16 2014 04:33 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:15 Shikyo wrote:On June 16 2014 04:02 BreAKerTV wrote:On June 16 2014 03:52 Karpfen wrote:On June 16 2014 03:51 GranDGranT wrote:On June 16 2014 03:50 Karpfen wrote:On June 16 2014 03:04 GranDGranT wrote:
I wont say it as rudely , but Begging for money no matter the cause is Lame.
But, If your gonna be a superstar like Ruff, you gotta act like it Yes, better to die slowly and painfully right? Thank god very stupid people like you don't know they are stupid else you'd be begging for money. I have a Job, I dont need to beg for money XD ah, then I suppose the best thing to do is waiting for a cure for stupidity so you can pay for it with the money from your job. IKR, Cut minigun a break. He's a college student, and the amount he owes the hospital is the same amount of money a wal-mart employee makes working full time for one year, assuming they don't spend any of the money they make. While everyone's free to spend their money how they wish, talking in this tone is in my opinion uncalled for. I personally feel like people should take care of their own problems. I'm sure there's numerous people in a similiar situation who don't get the help. In addition, there's numerous better charity targets in developing countries where a similiar amount of money could save hundreds or thousands of people instead of one By the way, I still think that Ruff's comment wasn't an appropriate one but I believe that if this was the only offense, it would be an overreaction. . I don't think you understand the gravity of Minigun's situation. In America, when you have to spend a lot of time in the hospital all at once, you can come out of it with an obscenely high bill. Think about it, you just got pasta terrible situation, you are still enduring the condition, and now you are swimming in medical bills and you are unable to participate in the activity that is your main/only source of income. That puts a tremendous psychological/physical burden to endure. I don't blame him for a second for thinking, "maybe I can ask for help." He just asked, to see if there was anyone out there who would pitch in something small to get him back on his feet. I understand the "do it yourself" mentality, but in this case I can't begrudge him that in the slightest.
This of course is very likely, in Finland I don't think that would get me into very big money trouble. I'm partially playing the devil's advocate, anyway. I like thinking about things from the unexpected angles.
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On June 16 2014 03:55 nkr wrote:
Ruff seemed like a prick prior to his response here; now he just seems like a regular guy who has problems with controlling anger in sc2.
He comes across as self-centred and someone who has trouble (or doesn't care) relating to others, even in his apology. He should be apologizing to minigun, first and foremost, for the distress he caused. It's not about professionalism or the image of esports, it's about common human decency.
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On June 16 2014 04:26 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:19 ROOTFayth wrote:On June 16 2014 04:15 Shikyo wrote:On June 16 2014 04:02 BreAKerTV wrote:On June 16 2014 03:52 Karpfen wrote:On June 16 2014 03:51 GranDGranT wrote:On June 16 2014 03:50 Karpfen wrote:On June 16 2014 03:04 GranDGranT wrote:
I wont say it as rudely , but Begging for money no matter the cause is Lame.
But, If your gonna be a superstar like Ruff, you gotta act like it Yes, better to die slowly and painfully right? Thank god very stupid people like you don't know they are stupid else you'd be begging for money. I have a Job, I dont need to beg for money XD ah, then I suppose the best thing to do is waiting for a cure for stupidity so you can pay for it with the money from your job. IKR, Cut minigun a break. He's a college student, and the amount he owes the hospital is the same amount of money a wal-mart employee makes working full time for one year, assuming they don't spend any of the money they make. While everyone's free to spend their money how they wish, talking in this tone is in my opinion uncalled for. I personally feel like people should take care of their own problems. I'm sure there's numerous people in a similiar situation who don't get the help. In addition, there's numerous better charity targets in developing countries where a similiar amount of money could save hundreds or thousands of people instead of one By the way, I still think that Ruff's comment wasn't an appropriate one but I believe that if this was the only offense, it would be an overreaction. . so if like your wife or your mother was dying and you could save her with like 20k, you'd use that money to save more lives from people you don't know in another country? what a hero It's hard to say as I haven't ever had that much money, but that comparison is on a significantly different scale on both fronts(how close I am to the person and how serious the situation is).
I imagine Chad is pretty close to himself, in all senses of the word
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On June 16 2014 04:33 EarthwormJim wrote:
I feel like people need to grow tougher skins.
I have witnessed a few of these public lynching.. kind of embarrassing to be part of a community where the maturity level is so low - then again, you see it in politics too. Must be some phenomenon that happens I'm not aware of, could be just a human thing I guess. Like that psychology study Stanford prison experiment or some schadenfreude type of deal.
Maturity level is low because we're trying to get rid of someone who shit on a seriously sick person? Maybe we're trying to increase the average maturity level here.
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On June 16 2014 04:36 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 04:33 EarthwormJim wrote:
I feel like people need to grow tougher skins.
I have witnessed a few of these public lynching.. kind of embarrassing to be part of a community where the maturity level is so low - then again, you see it in politics too. Must be some phenomenon that happens I'm not aware of, could be just a human thing I guess. Like that psychology study Stanford prison experiment or some schadenfreude type of deal.
Maturity level is low because we're trying to get rid of someone who shit on a seriously sick person? Maybe we're trying to increase the average maturity level here.
what do you mean by that? he's already been kicked out of his team. What else do you want
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