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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
On June 04 2014 04:54 Waxangel wrote: well, think of it like this: if they hadn't worked for ESGN, would they be better off now? Yeah, esports is pretty damn hard to make a living of, you can't afford to ever turn down decently paid work, no matter how fishy the employers are. | ||
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Pegas
Romania211 Posts
On June 04 2014 04:54 SilverStar wrote: Well they are bankrupt so you can liquidate the remaining assets and thats it. Yea GL with that. Usualy this "business" model works on 2 parts: one that handles the cash influx other that handles the logistics/rent. Anyway I do hope something will be learned from this. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vnhI1V7.jpg) User was warned for this post | ||
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QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 04 2014 04:19 tadL wrote: Thx again to copy paste the whole source completely so that we do not have to share traffic with the real content creators. Serious that is terrible. To the topic, isnt it strange that the next Blizzard game released a hype for organizers and already a big one failed? Strange strange. EG curse ? How many richard lewis dollars are you going to pay me to remove the text from the op? On June 04 2014 05:26 Lorning wrote: Died too young, just like AZUBU Azubu still lives in my TL flair. Clauf Kingdom. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:25 Pegas wrote: Yea GL with that. Usualy this "business" model works on 2 parts: one that handles the cash influx other that handles the logistics/rent. Anyway I do hope something will be learned from this. Yeah you basically compartmentalize the whole business to ensure bankruptcy just affects the shell company that was set up to take the hit in the first place. I used to work for a company that had bankruptcy as a business model a la Donald Trump, I think they declared 7 times in the 3 years I was there. It's a pretty severe case of wishful thinking if the people affected did not see through this earlier. Or just not doing their homework on the people running the show. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:26 Lorning wrote: Died too young, just like AZUBU Hey now! At least Azubu paid their players before they flopped over. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 04 2014 04:54 Waxangel wrote: well, think of it like this: if they hadn't worked for ESGN, would they be better off now? Frodan would have been the one locking the doors to NASL instead of getting locked out lol. Seriously though, this isn't great for the people involved and as I wrote int he other thread, hopefully they have enough money saved up to move on. Which isn't even a guarantee since ESGN hasn't been paying them lately... On June 04 2014 05:14 Zealously wrote: Why would this have anything to do with Azubu or Sapinda? They are completely legitimate and trustworthy businesses with no ties to Clauf/ESGN. Unlike ESGN, they are wholly transparent and we don't have to worry about their goings-on in the slightest. While I understand the shadiness behind Sapinda, they are as far as I can tell a solvent entity* that doesn't have anymore liability for ESGN / or for when Azubu finally kicks it. I would think this would mean that Sapinda is going to be done propping up new eSports ventures huh? Would be nice so we can clean up the scene. * The owner's track record of collapsed businesses, bankruptcies and government fines don't make me that confident in their future though | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:27 QuixoticO wrote: Poor frodan, second sinking ship he had to leave. first one you can certainly feel bad for him, but this one? This is like someone dropped a 10 dollar bill on extremely thin ice and then you feel sorry for the people who went out to get it... everyone saw it coming, he should have as well. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
ESGN + NASL have IMMENSE production values published by the team. Esport, if you ain't getting 150k+ viewers simply CAN'T afford to have this level of professionalism. You need to make cuts in the production. Esport, in the west is very much a TINY industry comparing to the East. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:39 Squat wrote: On the bright side, this thing did give me a nice new sig. yeah lets make fun of a nice guy who just lost his job trying to make awesome content for us | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:39 Squat wrote: On the bright side, this thing did give me a nice new sig. lol. that this is the least expecting thing that happend about esgn closing its doorsXD | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:39 Squat wrote: On the bright side, this thing did give me a nice new sig. That's not very nice or sensitive. Frodan worked his ass off to make awesome content for two unsustainable companies only for you to make him look like a fool. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:46 vult wrote: That's not very nice or sensitive. Frodan worked his ass off to make awesome content for two unsustainable companies only for you to make him look like a fool. except you can't really compare NASL and ESGN. Everyone has sympathy for the NASL staff, Clauf and the other hand... | ||
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SinO[Ob]
France897 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:37 Xiphos wrote: This is the NASL syndrome. ESGN + NASL have IMMENSE production values published by the team. Esport, if you ain't getting 150k+ viewers simply CAN'T afford to have this level of professionalism. You need to make cuts in the production. Esport, in the west is very much a TINY industry comparing to the East. Yep american way, all the way. They see too big everytime. And with that poor NA(KR] scene... | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:47 sAsImre wrote: except you can't really compare NASL and ESGN. Everyone has sympathy for the NASL staff, Clauf and the other hand... I'm not having sympathy for Clauf and ESGN as a whole, just Frodan who was trying to make a buck from the work he does. On June 04 2014 05:50 Squat wrote: I didn't make Frodan look like a fool. As I said, if the people involved did not see this coming a mile away, I honestly don't know how to explain it. Looking at the history of the people in charge, the absurd amount of money being injected with no realistic way to generate revenue proportional to what was being spent, it was blatantly obvious something was wrong. I have limited sympathy for people who cannot read the writing on the wall, even when it's done in bright neon-green spray paint. I guess your right, but if I had an opportunity to follow your dream and work for something that might have even a sliver of hope of working like that, I'd probably take it. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On June 04 2014 05:46 vult wrote: That's not very nice or sensitive. Frodan worked his ass off to make awesome content for two unsustainable companies only for you to make him look like a fool. I didn't make Frodan look like a fool. As I said, if the people involved did not see this coming a mile away, I honestly don't know how to explain it. Looking at the history of the people in charge, the absurd amount of money being injected with no realistic way to generate revenue proportional to what was being spent, it was blatantly obvious something was wrong. I have limited sympathy for people who cannot read the writing on the wall, even when it's done in bright neon-green spray paint. | ||
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moved to Europe to work for them only to get shafted. I wonder what this means for Azubu and Sapinda.
