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On May 23 2014 07:26 Laertes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 06:44 radscorpion9 wrote:
Its really shocking that people can think that way...I'm going to assume it was just something he said to have some trolling fun. Not a big loss for a PBU I agree with him but I didn't want to post and make a martyr of myself in the stupidest way possible. Baby knight is only hurting SC2 by doing what he is doing. He may not make it big in dota like he thinks he's going to either. On the reddit thread they are talking about how terribly difficult it is to break into the dota pro scene. One thing is for sure, you've got to be young. I was speaking with an SC2 pro who is trying to become a pro dota that I know personally named pokebunny about this. We concluded that dota is more akin to breaking into the music industry than breaking into say Professional chess like I'm aiming to do. In any case this is just my take. I'm not condemning baby knight but what the guy said has some merit. It was just the way he said it that it that got him banned.
Certainly what you say has merit, and I think its reasonable to say that it probably does hurt the SC2 scene somewhat whether we like it or not. I also agree in terms of the difficulty of breaking into the dota pro scene.
But I do think those are different things from stating that someone is a 'traitor' for leaving a game. The latter is saying that Babyknight has some sort of obligation to play SC2, or that he 'owes' people to continue playing the game for some reason. I don't think we could derive those conclusions from either of the things that you're saying; they're very separate types of statements.
If he were to say that babyknight was hurting the SC2 scene in an unintentional way, I would probably agree as that is a normal, albeit unintended, consequence when any well known pro-gamer leaves. But 'traitor' has a very different meaning from that and what you're talking about.
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Just out of curiosity: How many SC2 professionals have quit SC2 and become really successful in any other computer game so far, successful to the point where they earn a living or even make big bucks?
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On May 24 2014 03:17 BaneRiders wrote:
Just out of curiosity: How many SC2 professionals have quit SC2 and become really successful in any other computer game so far, successful to the point where they earn a living or even make big bucks?
All the former KespA BW pros that have played SC2 and have quit the game to become really successful in BW so far, successful to the point where they earn a living or even make big bucks
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On May 24 2014 03:17 BaneRiders wrote:
Just out of curiosity: How many SC2 professionals have quit SC2 and become really successful in any other computer game so far, successful to the point where they earn a living or even make big bucks?
I think the number is zero.
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50 bucks says BK pulls a MKP and comes back in 3 months
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Poland146 Posts
wow... I thought that SC2 community was a gentleman's club some time ago... but now? why so much hostility?
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On May 24 2014 03:17 BaneRiders wrote:
Just out of curiosity: How many SC2 professionals have quit SC2 and become really successful in any other computer game so far, successful to the point where they earn a living or even make big bucks?
You are talking about big bucks then I guess only Jaedong (because foreigner tournaments) is able to make big bucks in two games (BW and SC2).
About "succesful" performance, Neither ~top8 exWC3 nor ~top8 exBW players are succesful in sc2 compared to their ex-game.
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On May 24 2014 04:21 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 03:17 BaneRiders wrote:
Just out of curiosity: How many SC2 professionals have quit SC2 and become really successful in any other computer game so far, successful to the point where they earn a living or even make big bucks? I think the number is zero.
Depends. KiWiKaKi might count, depending on how much of his Poker takes part online. Other than that, I don't know about anyone either.
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On May 24 2014 01:02 radscorpion9 wrote:
But I do think those are different things from stating that someone is a 'traitor' for leaving a game. The latter is saying that Babyknight has some sort of obligation to play SC2, or that he 'owes' people to continue playing the game for some reason. I don't think we could derive those conclusions from either of the things that you're saying; they're very separate types of statements.
If he were to say that babyknight was hurting the SC2 scene in an unintentional way, I would probably agree as that is a normal, albeit unintended, consequence when any well known pro-gamer leaves. But 'traitor' has a very different meaning from that and what you're talking about.
100% on the money and agreed
judging the decisions another human being makes about the direction of his life in terms of the obscure pro scene of a computer game is just totally ridiculous and shows a very strange set of priorities. he's a "traitor" because people like one computer game more than another? jesus. i guess i'm a traitor to the grocery store job i quit when i was 19
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Northern Ireland26336 Posts
On May 24 2014 19:28 pieroog wrote:
wow... I thought that SC2 community was a gentleman's club some time ago... but now? why so much hostility?
Because of this idea that people involved somehow have an obligation to said game and 'saving E-Sports' in general. When everything was at its peak people were a lot less demanding in those ways, since SC2 has dropped a bit it seems among a subsection of the community this has conferred a certain set of responsibilities on those involved within the scene.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On May 24 2014 19:28 pieroog wrote:
wow... I thought that SC2 community was a gentleman's club some time ago... but now? why so much hostility?
scene has declined and I guess BK has some bad history with the french people lol.
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GG
I had enjoyed your games and liked your name.
All the best.
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Sooner or later everything good comes to a end. GL babyknight
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Best of luck BabyKnight. He had some really impressive performances in his career. I think what I will remember him most from is 2-0'ing Rain (yes, SKT Rain) in the WCS World Championships in 2012, which you can see here:
http://www.twitch.tv/sc2_2/c/1737767
And Rain ended up finishing in 3rd place at that tournament so it's not like he was in a slump.
IMO BabyKnight was the strongest PvP foreigner (and certainly top 5 foreigner P generally) in WoL.
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On May 24 2014 17:45 creamyturtle wrote:
50 bucks says BK pulls a MKP and comes back in 3 months
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Sweden979 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:17 BaneRiders wrote:
Just out of curiosity: How many SC2 professionals have quit SC2 and become really successful in any other computer game so far, successful to the point where they earn a living or even make big bucks?
Maybe doesn't count, but Iceiceice has.
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On May 25 2014 06:37 Appendix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 03:17 BaneRiders wrote:
Just out of curiosity: How many SC2 professionals have quit SC2 and become really successful in any other computer game so far, successful to the point where they earn a living or even make big bucks? Maybe doesn't count, but Iceiceice has.
iceiceice already played dota before even trying sc2 as far as I know
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Sweden979 Posts
On May 25 2014 06:43 pedrlz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 06:37 Appendix wrote:On May 24 2014 03:17 BaneRiders wrote:
Just out of curiosity: How many SC2 professionals have quit SC2 and become really successful in any other computer game so far, successful to the point where they earn a living or even make big bucks? Maybe doesn't count, but Iceiceice has. iceiceice already played dota before even trying sc2 as far as I know
Yes, but so did BabyKnight, so in context of this thread the example should still apply.
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