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On February 17 2014 18:50 Ramiz1989 wrote:
CreatorPrime, hahaha you have to be fucking kidding me. :D
1) more wins then Rain, HerO, Stats, Zest, Squirtle
2) last 4 matches in Proleague - 3-1
3) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/JoyGear_Cup
HAHA
On February 17 2014 17:44 Ragnarork wrote:
This should be cool!
Though I don't understand why the third Z is Solar (I'd have seen Jaedong, but dunno...)
Here I won't even say anything...
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On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament.  Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world?
After the switch  TY was the best KeSPA terran if you did not know it he was seeded into Code S then he qualified to Code S by himself then in HotS he was slumping and now he is rising once again.
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It's over. Terran lost all their matchups.
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On February 17 2014 22:10 TerranTechie wrote:
It's over. Terran lost all their matchups.
in the current state of game i dont think anyone expected otherwise
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On February 17 2014 20:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 20:05 TaShadan wrote:
CreatorPrime? No offense but Zest is way better. creator had twice the wins of zest in regular season
My bad, didnt know that. Still think Zest is currently better than Creator. It doesnt matter anyway terran got crushed :D
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On February 17 2014 17:37 Pandemona wrote:
Day 2 is going to get 0 viewers. Day 1 should be sick though :D
I guess it's going to depend what percentage of the viewership are ignorant enough to think PvZ is solved.
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Soulkey in the lineup so ZvP has it's own day 
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On February 17 2014 23:26 Kylo55 wrote:Soulkey in the lineup so ZvP has it's own day
do you forget RORO?
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
Even in showmatches there is place for malicious hate? Lol.
T 3-1 P
T 2-3 Z.
Z 3-1 P.
Calling it now.
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On February 17 2014 23:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Even in showmatches there is place for malicious hate? Lol.
T 3-1 P
T 2-3 Z.
Z 3-1 P.
Calling it now.
lol day 1 is already over.
T 1-3 P
T 1-3 Z
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iInteresting to see solar and byul :O however, Solar <3 next big Zerg
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Am I the only one who thinks there are lots of protoss players better than creator?
+ Show Spoiler +I'd say the same about Flash but honestly there aren't many good kespa terrans to replace him
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 17 2014 23:41 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 23:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Even in showmatches there is place for malicious hate? Lol.
T 3-1 P
T 2-3 Z.
Z 3-1 P.
Calling it now. lol day 1 is already over. T 1-3 P T 1-3 Z
What a sad day.
I was sure that it's tomorrow.
But thanks for spoiling, yep. Time to watch.
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Why Creator? :o
Other than that - looking forward to TvZ!
Edit: Times in OP would have been nice. ._.
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On February 18 2014 01:26 Caladan wrote:
Why Creator? :o
Other than that - looking forward to TvZ!
Edit: Times in OP would have been nice. ._.
yesterday OP didnt even have the players...
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On February 17 2014 20:54 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world? After the switch TY was the best KeSPA terran if you did not know it he was seeded into Code S then he qualified to Code S by himself then in HotS he was slumping and now he is rising once again.
I'm not saying TY is bad, I just think that he's being overhyped due to his (admittedly great) 7-0 streak in PL this season. I watched TY's prior games in Code S, Code A, etc, including in WoL and he looked solid but never like a "top 5 Terran" and no one was hyping him as such prior to this PL season. His record in the last PL was a not very impressive 26-26. Then he got 0-4ed by YongHwa (a notorious underperformer in individual leagues) in the Code A qualifiers.
If you look at his stats on Aligulac in HotS (offline matches against Koreans) he has a great win rate in TvZ (though not with many games played) and his TvT and TvP records are only slightly above 50%. By Aligulac's ranking of top Terrans, he's #14, behind (among others) SuperNova, Bbyong and the Danish player Bunny. I think #14 is about right for him, he's certainly top 20 Terrans but probably not top 10 to me, and definitely nowhere close to top 5.
I'm not a TY hater or anything, and if he proves me wrong and starts killing everyone, more power to him. But his level of play against RorO and CJ_herO in Race Wars are more of what I'm used to seeing from him: solid and strong but nothing spectacular.
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On February 18 2014 05:09 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 20:54 DiMano wrote:On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world? After the switch TY was the best KeSPA terran if you did not know it he was seeded into Code S then he qualified to Code S by himself then in HotS he was slumping and now he is rising once again. I'm not saying TY is bad, I just think that he's being overhyped due to his (admittedly great) 7-0 streak in PL this season. I watched TY's prior games in Code S, Code A, etc, including in WoL and he looked solid but never like a "top 5 Terran" and no one was hyping him as such prior to this PL season. His record in the last PL was a not very impressive 26-26. Then he got 0-4ed by YongHwa (a notorious underperformer in individual leagues) in the Code A qualifiers. If you look at his stats on Aligulac in HotS (offline matches against Koreans) he has a great win rate in TvZ (though not with many games played) and his TvT and TvP records are only slightly above 50%. By Aligulac's ranking of top Terrans, he's #14, behind (among others) SuperNova, Bbyong and the Danish player Bunny. I think #14 is about right for him, he's certainly top 20 Terrans but probably not top 10 to me, and definitely nowhere close to top 5. I'm not a TY hater or anything, and if he proves me wrong and starts killing everyone, more power to him. But his level of play against RorO and CJ_herO in Race Wars are more of what I'm used to seeing from him: solid and strong but nothing spectacular.
When there is a lack of good players of any race people start rooting for every player who shows some kind of hope, in 2011 people were calling  Alicia as the protoss hope but he was not good enough to face best terrans back then coz the number of good terrans was much higher just like now the number of good just higher then the number of good which leads to dominance.
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On February 18 2014 05:17 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 05:09 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 17 2014 20:54 DiMano wrote:On February 17 2014 11:29 Yakikorosu wrote:On February 17 2014 01:37 vthree wrote:On February 17 2014 01:35 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 17 2014 01:00 Salient wrote:The best Terrans aren't available to Kespa for this tournament. Polt/Jajji/Taeja/Bomber/Mvp/Alive. Literally every top 16 Terran from the 2013 Global finals except Maru has gone abroad. # foreign $$$ TY and Maru certainly are amongst the very very best, Taeja could probably contest, Jjakji, Bober and Polt are not far off the tiptop. Alive and MVP, probably not so much. Depends if it is PL TY or GSL TY. Yeah, the "top 5 Terran" hype for TY is way overstated. He's done very well in one round of one team league and suddenly he owns the world? After the switch TY was the best KeSPA terran if you did not know it he was seeded into Code S then he qualified to Code S by himself then in HotS he was slumping and now he is rising once again. I'm not saying TY is bad, I just think that he's being overhyped due to his (admittedly great) 7-0 streak in PL this season. I watched TY's prior games in Code S, Code A, etc, including in WoL and he looked solid but never like a "top 5 Terran" and no one was hyping him as such prior to this PL season. His record in the last PL was a not very impressive 26-26. Then he got 0-4ed by YongHwa (a notorious underperformer in individual leagues) in the Code A qualifiers. If you look at his stats on Aligulac in HotS (offline matches against Koreans) he has a great win rate in TvZ (though not with many games played) and his TvT and TvP records are only slightly above 50%. By Aligulac's ranking of top Terrans, he's #14, behind (among others) SuperNova, Bbyong and the Danish player Bunny. I think #14 is about right for him, he's certainly top 20 Terrans but probably not top 10 to me, and definitely nowhere close to top 5. I'm not a TY hater or anything, and if he proves me wrong and starts killing everyone, more power to him. But his level of play against RorO and CJ_herO in Race Wars are more of what I'm used to seeing from him: solid and strong but nothing spectacular. When there is a lack of good players of any race people start rooting for every player who shows some kind of hope, in 2011 people were calling Alicia as the protoss hope but he was not good enough to face best terrans back then coz the number of good terrans was much higher just like now the number of good just higher then the number of good which leads to dominance.
This is very true. 2011 had a lot of false "race hopes": I remember Artosis anointed SlayerS_Min the next Zerg bonjwa based on a single GSTL game, and then when Protoss were getting destroyed towards the end of 2011 (I remember a Code S RO16 with only 1 Protoss) Sage was supposed to be the savior...
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On February 18 2014 01:02 DavoS wrote:Am I the only one who thinks there are lots of protoss players better than creator? + Show Spoiler +I'd say the same about Flash but honestly there aren't many good kespa terrans to replace him
On February 18 2014 01:26 Caladan wrote:
Why Creator? :o
Other than that - looking forward to TvZ!
Edit: Times in OP would have been nice. ._.
HerO, Rain and Classic are in Germany.
Creator got 4 kills during regular season, the only protoss who got more was herO.
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On February 18 2014 05:25 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 01:02 DavoS wrote:Am I the only one who thinks there are lots of protoss players better than creator? + Show Spoiler +I'd say the same about Flash but honestly there aren't many good kespa terrans to replace him Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 01:26 Caladan wrote:
Why Creator? :o
Other than that - looking forward to TvZ!
Edit: Times in OP would have been nice. ._. HerO, Rain and Classic are in Germany. Creator got 4 kills during regular season, the only protoss who got more was herO.
It is funny how people do not wonder why they have invited Soulkey who had worse stats then: RorO, ByuL, Shine, Rogue, Solar 
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