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Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
February 08 2014 13:57 GMT
#181
I guess Taeja winning these things will be something I will never understand. More than half of those wins in those mickey mouse tourneys with barely any other top players in them. Comparing it to Mvp when he won 6 tournaments in a year where half of them were against the best of the best in the GSL is quite funny.
wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 14:13:22
February 08 2014 14:08 GMT
#182
I honestly agree with literally every award given this time around, which is a first for TL Awards. This one basically always went to results, because at the end of the day, that's what matters.

I just kind of want to give my 2 cents on this because I spent a lot of time playing/watching SC2 last year. Not as much playing as I would have liked, but that's besides the point.

Best Zerg:

So what if Soulkey did 2 baneling orientated attacks that INnoVatioN was known to be weak against, followed by a strong defense from a proxy 2 rax and then catching INnoVatioN playing risky with a doom drop in the crucial game 7, a win is a win and that's what people remember. Soulkey won WCS Korea Season 1 and WCG 2014 (which has an insane Korean Qualifier, pretty much worthy of winning any premier event or at least getting recognition near that respect). He has also never not made it to a Ro8 in Code S since starting, he might surpass the Nestea award by getting 10 consecutive Ro8's, and at this point in his career, I wouldn't call someone stupid for betting on it.

I know people would argue that Jaedong was better, and it's hard to say I think the TL Writers were wrong with picking Soulkey over Jaedong. Too often I think Soulkey suffers from the same problems as Curious, they both seem to always (Soulkey way more consistently obviously) be able to crush players at any time, and look absolutely convincing doing it. The problem I feel these two have with their games is they don't display anything flashy, they just always have the correct everything when they win. Their defense was unbreakable, their attacks were stronger, their upgrades timed out. I can't really think of a time Soulkey displayed Lifeesque micro or Jaedongesque excitement with crazy strategies, he basically wins with standard SC2 play, even his cheeses are very by the book. The amount of skill that shows that you can basically play normal builds with normal cheeses mixed in here and there, and still crush absolutely anyone in the scene whenever you want just based on pure skill for a whole year? I can't even comprehend how that works. He's my 2nd favorite Zerg behind Jaedong (I know, I pick the most skilled players as my favorites, sue me ), but I think his results deserve more respect in 2013.

Best Terran:

Taeja won 5 championships, he deserved best Terran. I feel that Taeja sort of came out of nowhere in 2013. INnoVatioN looked so dominant in Season 1 by basically brushing off exclusively Code S Finalists/Champions and Tournament Champions/Finalists with superior play, until he fell short in the finals. When INnoVatioN dominated the Season One finals (albeit The King of Wings giving him a run) most people hopped on the INnoVatioN hype train.

I think when he (INnoVatioN) fell to Maru in the Ro4 at the OSL, Taeja then took up the torch as the dominating Terran, because that happened between his HSC VII win and Asus ROG Summer win. Just open their Liquipedia pages side by side and look at the 2013 results, on paper Taeja looks better. INnoVatioN had a dominating period where he looked unstoppable, but he still failed to grab more than 1 championship, even losing one to Taeja. INnoVatioN is my 2nd Favorite Terran, Taeja my 3rd and Maru my 1st, but my bias aside (and my bias against TL being an EG FAN) Taeja was, unquestionably in my eyes, the best Terran in 2013 just by sheer results alone.

Best Protoss:

My opinion on this is much shorter than Zerg and Terran because I have 2 accts I play on mainly, a Gold Zerg and a Terran Silver (I'm terrible I know ), and my Protoss account hasn't been played on in months but is bronze iirc, but I do think Dear deserves it because Protoss was shaky and inconsistent with which players were hot and which were not, but Dear had the hottest streak of them all. To top it off, I feel his streak was ended earlier by Jaedong. Had he gotten past Jaedong I don't think sOs would have been our Blizzcon Champion, I'll put it that way. Follow that by him losing to Rain (who won the whole thing, versus Soulkey of all players in the finals) in the Last Big Match Hot6ix cup in the semi-finals, and getting 2nd at Asus Rog 2 weeks ago? I think we haven't seen the last of Dear yet, unlike other Protoss' this year who looked really hot at times like First, Patience, sOs, etc.

And Best Player should go to Taeja, most Championships in Premier events, he really brought it home this year.

All in all, very good choices in everything, I enjoyed reading it.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
February 08 2014 14:10 GMT
#183
Best protoss of the year: David Kim.

I kid, don't worry.


Agree mostly, only maybe not with Taeja winning everything because a lot of his tournament wins were against some random foreigners. Nice read anyway.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 08 2014 14:11 GMT
#184
On February 08 2014 22:37 bearhug wrote:
Poll: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

Maru (30)
 
70%

Taeja (12)
 
28%

Hard to tell (1)
 
2%

43 total votes

Your vote: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

(Vote): Taeja
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Hard to tell


Maru. Easilly. 4-0.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
February 08 2014 14:14 GMT
#185
On February 08 2014 23:11 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 22:37 bearhug wrote:
Poll: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

Maru (30)
 
70%

Taeja (12)
 
28%

Hard to tell (1)
 
2%

43 total votes

Your vote: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

(Vote): Taeja
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Hard to tell


Maru. Easilly. 4-0.


Heart: Maru 4-3

Head: Taeja 4-1 or 4-2
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
February 08 2014 14:21 GMT
#186
Is tree.hugger serious with his drama award? I mean, he can't seriously argue that it was wrong to point out the mistakes of SoS etc. They promised something and it didn't happen and they did communicate properly at all. In case of SC2 and the ROOT house they took money directly from the community. Pizza.gg is a bit of a different case, but still for example the showmatch. Post by Hot_Bid after all tiers were reached:
On May 24 2013 07:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
Tiers 6 & 8 (Cross-Game Showmatches, iNcontroL/TLO Switching Teams, Liquid/EG Showmatch): Since many players in all games are busy at events this week, we'll be doing these next week after they're all back. We'll make sure you to update you guys when we know exactly when!

The showmatch happenend on September 29th. The communication was bad, it took several reddit threads to always get the same avoiding answers from iNcontroL. You shouldn't be surprised to receive anger and disappointment for something like that.

Also I don't get that sentence:
The repercussions were clear. No longer would the esports elite be allowed to take the community's money without delivering on their promises in a timely fashion. Fucking got'em.

You make it sound like that is a bad thing. Really? People can't expect to get a timely result when they put money or atleast a proper information policy telling them what went wrong and informing them when it will happen? Come on, you can't be serious on that one. I'm honestly a bit shocked that such a prominent/important member of the TL organisation would publish such an ignorant article.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2014 14:23 GMT
#187
I honestly don't know what the drama award is about, does anyone actually care about drama?
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wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 14:25:11
February 08 2014 14:24 GMT
#188
On February 08 2014 15:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.


Agreed. That's my only complaint with this list.


I didn't even notice that. He's probably the best Terran and Player in 2014 so far.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
February 08 2014 14:27 GMT
#189
On February 08 2014 23:23 Zealously wrote:
I honestly don't know what the drama award is about, does anyone actually care about drama?

tree.hugger apparently does
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
February 08 2014 14:33 GMT
#190
On February 08 2014 23:23 Zealously wrote:
I honestly don't know what the drama award is about, does anyone actually care about drama?

You don't check reddit often, do you?
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 14:39:26
February 08 2014 14:35 GMT
#191
On February 08 2014 23:27 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 23:23 Zealously wrote:
I honestly don't know what the drama award is about, does anyone actually care about drama?

tree.hugger apparently does


Now this will sound mean, but I do feel very strongly about this. In a year where that Simon guy effectively stole more than $20k from Hyun and Quantic, where Sons of Starcraft took more than $40k and sat around, etc. treehugger apparently thinks the worst thing to happen was the community getting upset and demanding accountability? Is he a fool?

One of the reasons why the scene has so many issues is because there is not enough professionalism and accountability, and demanding that tournament organizers, teams and content producers have a level of basic professionalism is wrong? At best, this is blatant ignorance, and it hurts the scene when people can't call people like Simon out on stealing money without being mocked for "pitchforking".

Treehugger needs to stick with what he is good at, and that's writing Liquid hype articles, and not talk about things like this.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
February 08 2014 14:38 GMT
#192
lol totally thought you meant the player sOs at first because so many people write his ID as SoS and I was like what's wrong with his winning prize money!? but then I was like... oh.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 14:39 GMT
#193
On February 08 2014 23:38 Shellshock wrote:
lol totally thought you meant the player sOs at first because so many people write his ID as SoS and I was like what's wrong with his winning prize money!? but then I was like... oh.


Ah, that's a good point, I'll change it to clear up some ambiguity. Haha, thanks for the catch!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
February 08 2014 14:40 GMT
#194
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
February 08 2014 14:46 GMT
#195
Great read!
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
February 08 2014 14:47 GMT
#196
wtf, rOrO got best award by gom, how is he not the no. one player of the year?
so biased, do you even korea?
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 08 2014 14:47 GMT
#197
Here we go again with people complaining about awards given for fun.
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
February 08 2014 14:50 GMT
#198
On February 08 2014 23:47 Darkhoarse wrote:
Here we go again with people complaining about awards given for fun.


Can't make everyone happy
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1433 Posts
February 08 2014 14:51 GMT
#199
On February 08 2014 23:40 wrier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.

who was at that point of time still the probably hottest player in the world. also taeja had one of his "how did he win tall those championships with that kind of play?" day.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2014 14:52 GMT
#200
On February 08 2014 23:51 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 23:40 wrier wrote:
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.

who was at that point of time still the probably hottest player in the world. also taeja had one of his "how did he win tall those championships with that kind of play?" day.


He did? I seem to recall Taeja playing fairly well against Dear, he just happened to face the best PvT in the world. Then again, I was dual-streaming at the time so I may be wrong.
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