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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 21 2013 03:47 GMT
#341
and South Korea is not on the list, so they need to have citizenship to qualify, so I don't understand what HuK is complaining about
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GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
November 21 2013 03:47 GMT
#342
On November 21 2013 11:39 geokilla wrote:
GSL! GSL! GSL!

I'm a bit worried about Blizzard wanting to control WCS Partner and Global Event. Like Dreamhack or Red Bull Battlegrounds. What does the community think?


I was kind of worried about that as well, but I think we'll really have to wait and see on that. If "control" just means that the events will have to follow certain tournament/quality regulations and throw the WCS logo on to all of their splash screens, that's fine with me. If it's a lot more than that, obviously that's potentially very problematic.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 21 2013 03:47 GMT
#343
On November 21 2013 12:40 lichter wrote:
If HuK is going to complain about NA having slots for SEA/TW/CN I am going to lose it

I don't know what the fuck happened to him, but he has become such a whiner. I think I know why he has been losing so much and it might have to do with his mindset and focus.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 21 2013 03:48 GMT
#344
On November 21 2013 12:46 NovemberstOrm wrote:
https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/YSJP9MFK4FP51384955810106.jpg
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/about/faq#qualifier-requirements
Okay so this is what Huk is talking about, it only applies to the countries listed meaning players from countries that are NOT listed have to get a green card to qualify for WCS NA


I'm 99% sure that only applies to the regional qualifiers. The ladder qualifiers has a game requirement (200 wins) to be eligible and not a residency requirement.
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
November 21 2013 03:48 GMT
#345
Seems like a pretty good compromise to me.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12472 Posts
November 21 2013 03:49 GMT
#346
Koreans aren't in the list Huk mentioned... wtf is he talking about?
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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
November 21 2013 03:49 GMT
#347
On November 21 2013 12:45 Firestorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 12:04 lost_artz wrote:
On November 21 2013 11:36 goswser wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:55 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:14 Boucot wrote:
I really hope they do RO32 offline. Players have to commit in the regions they chose.

Except then it still fucking sucks for Americans (won't speak for Europeans because idk) too, because it's a lot harder for an American to be a full-time professional gamer and simply move their life somewhere to play. In Korea everything is centered in Seoul and there are a lot of team houses.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. A full offline ro32 is the best situation for WCS NA if flights aren't paid for by blizzard because this would region lock America much more than blizzard's stupid new system ever will.


Had to re-read that a few times to get it. I feel stupid now

Also I agree with goswser* . Effectively forcing a 100% commitment to a region through in-person tournaments is a much better option. If you allow some players to compete in NA/EU without being at the actual tournament (even for the Ro32) it almost makes region locks pointless.

Consider if you will - Player A lives in Korea and qualifies for NA WCS BUT the Ro32 is online. If Player A doesn't advance beyond the Ro32 Player A never leaves Korea for WCS. However, if the Ro32 is offline (aka in-person) Player A is now committed to fly to the location (somewhere in the USA) and play in said tournament.

*+ Show Spoiler +
I find your name very confusing as I know it's actually gosu-user but I also say it as "goswser" in my head and I'm like wtf who's this guy every time :D


That would be prohibitively expensive, the only Koreans left would be the one on big teams.

well the general sentiment is that they would try every possible way to eliminate Koreans from America because of, you know, inferiority complex
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 21 2013 03:49 GMT
#348
HuK doesn't understand. Korea still need greencards/work VISAs for the US because they aren't on the list.

Korea isn't in China, SEA, or Oceania, or the other countries listed. -_-;;
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 21 2013 03:49 GMT
#349
On November 21 2013 11:36 goswser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 10:55 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:14 Boucot wrote:
I really hope they do RO32 offline. Players have to commit in the regions they chose.

Except then it still fucking sucks for Americans (won't speak for Europeans because idk) too, because it's a lot harder for an American to be a full-time professional gamer and simply move their life somewhere to play. In Korea everything is centered in Seoul and there are a lot of team houses.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. A full offline ro32 is the best situation for WCS NA if flights aren't paid for by blizzard because this would region lock America much more than blizzard's stupid new system ever will.

I mean it would region lock it sure but you aren't gonna give very much chance to any American who does not play full time. It completely destroys any chance of up and comers.
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
November 21 2013 03:50 GMT
#350
Yay Korea more moneys.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 21 2013 03:51 GMT
#351
From what I've read, the changes are what was asked. More money for the most intense scene, partial locks to allow some scene developments and removal of Season finals redistributing the prize money to the other spots in that season. On top of that, can have both GSL and OSL at the same time if GomTV and OGN want to do so. Good job Blizzard!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 03:52:23
November 21 2013 03:51 GMT
#352
On November 21 2013 12:49 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 11:36 goswser wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:55 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:14 Boucot wrote:
I really hope they do RO32 offline. Players have to commit in the regions they chose.

Except then it still fucking sucks for Americans (won't speak for Europeans because idk) too, because it's a lot harder for an American to be a full-time professional gamer and simply move their life somewhere to play. In Korea everything is centered in Seoul and there are a lot of team houses.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. A full offline ro32 is the best situation for WCS NA if flights aren't paid for by blizzard because this would region lock America much more than blizzard's stupid new system ever will.

I mean it would region lock it sure but you aren't gonna give very much chance to any American who does not play full time. It completely destroys any chance of up and comers.

Why do part-time americans deserve spots over players from countries with no WCS (Australia/China)?
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 21 2013 03:51 GMT
#353
On November 21 2013 12:49 lichter wrote:
HuK doesn't understand. Korea still need greencards/work VISAs for the US because they aren't on the list.

Korea isn't in China, SEA, or Oceania, or the other countries listed. -_-;;

It wouldn't be the first time he has read something he doesn't get and then goes full Diva and freaks out on twitter. He is such a drama queen at times.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 21 2013 03:52 GMT
#354
On November 21 2013 12:49 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 11:36 goswser wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:55 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:14 Boucot wrote:
I really hope they do RO32 offline. Players have to commit in the regions they chose.

Except then it still fucking sucks for Americans (won't speak for Europeans because idk) too, because it's a lot harder for an American to be a full-time professional gamer and simply move their life somewhere to play. In Korea everything is centered in Seoul and there are a lot of team houses.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. A full offline ro32 is the best situation for WCS NA if flights aren't paid for by blizzard because this would region lock America much more than blizzard's stupid new system ever will.

I mean it would region lock it sure but you aren't gonna give very much chance to any American who does not play full time. It completely destroys any chance of up and comers.

Thats an interesting point I hadn't considered. I too thought that a offline ro32 would serve a similar purpose to the current soft lock, but it looks like this is better because of the points you raise.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 03:53:11
November 21 2013 03:52 GMT
#355
Okay Huk thought korea was part of South east Asia
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 21 2013 03:54 GMT
#356
On November 21 2013 12:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Okay Huk thought korea was part of South east Asia
https://twitter.com/LorangerChris/status/403369822324420608


SERIOUSLY

... Is he being serious?

COME ON
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 21 2013 03:54 GMT
#357
On November 21 2013 12:52 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 12:49 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 21 2013 11:36 goswser wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:55 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:14 Boucot wrote:
I really hope they do RO32 offline. Players have to commit in the regions they chose.

Except then it still fucking sucks for Americans (won't speak for Europeans because idk) too, because it's a lot harder for an American to be a full-time professional gamer and simply move their life somewhere to play. In Korea everything is centered in Seoul and there are a lot of team houses.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. A full offline ro32 is the best situation for WCS NA if flights aren't paid for by blizzard because this would region lock America much more than blizzard's stupid new system ever will.

I mean it would region lock it sure but you aren't gonna give very much chance to any American who does not play full time. It completely destroys any chance of up and comers.

Thats an interesting point I hadn't considered. I too thought that a offline ro32 would serve a similar purpose to the current soft lock, but it looks like this is better because of the points you raise.

Also at some point we have to accept that WCS might not be the place for part time players. There isn't a lot in NA, but we can't low the level of competition so low that people playing part time can be sure to have a chance.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 03:55:14
November 21 2013 03:54 GMT
#358
On November 21 2013 12:49 lichter wrote:
HuK doesn't understand. Korea still need greencards/work VISAs for the US because they aren't on the list.

Korea isn't in China, SEA, or Oceania, or the other countries listed. -_-;;


Yeah, this was exactly my thought after watching his vlog. Unless there's some aspect of what he's trying to point out that I'm not grasping, it doesn't seem like there's actually an issue here...?

Edit: lol Never mind! Saw the South East Asia thing. Silly Huk!
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
November 21 2013 03:55 GMT
#359
On November 21 2013 12:54 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 12:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Okay Huk thought korea was part of South east Asia
https://twitter.com/LorangerChris/status/403369822324420608


SERIOUSLY

... Is he being serious?

COME ON

He really does set himself up for reddit -.-.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 03:57:29
November 21 2013 03:55 GMT
#360
On November 21 2013 12:54 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 12:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Okay Huk thought korea was part of South east Asia
https://twitter.com/LorangerChris/status/403369822324420608


SERIOUSLY

... Is he being serious?

COME ON

Oh deleted, looks like he decided to read the rules and maybe ask someone if he was right.

Seriously, he is like a walking PR "Do not do this" lesson.

Do not post blogs about rules that you read once

Do not freak out on twitter about rules that are clearly more detailed that in the press release

Do not assume things about the rules without consulting with someone.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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