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volta1
Profile Joined May 2013
13 Posts
October 21 2013 04:41 GMT
#1021
Do you have a listing of what tournament positions award how many points?

I would've thought for sure winning WCS NA again would have put Polt at #1 world rank.

I guess Global Finals are worth the most points?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 21 2013 04:41 GMT
#1022
On October 21 2013 13:41 volta1 wrote:
Do you have a listing of what tournament positions award how many points?

I would've thought for sure winning WCS NA again would have put Polt at #1 world rank.

I guess Global Finals are worth the most points?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings
Iceman331
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 04:46:40
October 21 2013 04:44 GMT
#1023
In case anyone wants the specific scenarios, Naniwa is knocked out if any 2 of the following happen:

Byul, Genius, Hack or Trap finish first.
Vortix makes the top 2.
Oz, Dear, or soO make top 4.
Whatever the deal with Revival and tiebreakers is.

Revival is knocked out if any one of those happens.

Duckdeok is knocked out if:
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO finishes second AND,
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO, Genius, Byul, Trap, or Hack finishes first.

Feel free to double check me on that, but I believe those are all the possible scenarios. Obviously, the person replacing the on knocked out is the person with the mentioned result.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
October 21 2013 04:44 GMT
#1024
On October 21 2013 13:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:34 Die4Ever wrote:
Updated with the completion of WCS AM.


How are you so on the ball for every update? ;o And don't you need to run the simulation once you have the result? O__o Or do you pre-run it for both outcomes and post it? How long does it take to run the 15,000,000 simulations?

It takes about half an hour to 45 minutes. Usually when I see someone winning a series or playing better I'll just start doing the run assuming they'll win, like I did with Polt.
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
October 21 2013 04:45 GMT
#1025
On October 21 2013 13:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:34 Die4Ever wrote:
Updated with the completion of WCS AM.


How are you so on the ball for every update? ;o And don't you need to run the simulation once you have the result? O__o Or do you pre-run it for both outcomes and post it? How long does it take to run the 15,000,000 simulations?

Yeah I think he predicted the Polt win like he did for the semis lol
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Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
October 21 2013 04:45 GMT
#1026
I've never imaged that I would enjoy the Blizzcon cut off point so much.
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
October 21 2013 04:47 GMT
#1027
On October 21 2013 13:44 Iceman331 wrote:
In case anyone wants the specific scenarios, Naniwa is knocked out if any 2 of the following happen:

Byul, Genius, Hack or Trap finish first.
Vortix makes the top 2.
Oz, Dear, or soO make Round of 4.
Whatever the deal with Revival and tiebreakers is.

Revival is knocked out if any one of those happens.

Duckdeok is knocked out if:
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO finishes second AND,
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO, Genius, Byul, Trap, or Hack finishes first.

Feel free to double check me on that, but I believe those are all the possible scenarios. Obviously, the person replacing the on knocked out is the person with the mentioned result.

Your Duckdeok scenario isn't quite the whole story.
-------------------------------------------Genius gets 1st place in Season 3 Finals
-------------------------------------------Dear STX gets 2nd place in Season 3 Finals
-------------------------------------------Oz gets 4th place in Season 3 Finals
This happens 0.021% of the time. When it does, it decreases duckdeok's chances to 68.072%.

Duckdeok is at 14th place now so he needs 3 people to pass him, not just 2.
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Iceman331
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 04:52:39
October 21 2013 04:50 GMT
#1028
On October 21 2013 13:47 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:44 Iceman331 wrote:
In case anyone wants the specific scenarios, Naniwa is knocked out if any 2 of the following happen:

Byul, Genius, Hack or Trap finish first.
Vortix makes the top 2.
Oz, Dear, or soO make Round of 4.
Whatever the deal with Revival and tiebreakers is.

Revival is knocked out if any one of those happens.

Duckdeok is knocked out if:
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO finishes second AND,
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO, Genius, Byul, Trap, or Hack finishes first.

Feel free to double check me on that, but I believe those are all the possible scenarios. Obviously, the person replacing the on knocked out is the person with the mentioned result.

Your Duckdeok scenario isn't quite the whole story.
-------------------------------------------Genius gets 1st place in Season 3 Finals
-------------------------------------------Dear STX gets 2nd place in Season 3 Finals
-------------------------------------------Oz gets 4th place in Season 3 Finals
This happens 0.021% of the time. When it does, it decreases duckdeok's chances to 68.072%.

Duckdeok is at 14th place now so he needs 3 people to pass him, not just 2.


Oh crap, you're right. Looking at it again, I believe soO can tie Duckdeok with 3/4th, and Oz can pass him with 3/4th. So one of those, plus two of the results I mentioned above would have to happen.

Edit: Oh and duckdeok has to lose in Ro16.
Kheve
Profile Joined May 2013
323 Posts
October 21 2013 04:57 GMT
#1029
Hmmmm previously so long as u r korean u would assume an extra 250 points at least from finals since theres always foreigners for the last spot. This time however theres only 1 foreigner so lots of koreans aint gonna get anymore points from the finals. Duckdeok likely to fall into this category.

That said, he is quite safe at 14th as to hope for 3 of those things happening is kinda like hitting a lottery with Soulkey, Maru 2.0, Polt, Jaedong and MMA 3.0 around.
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 05:57:38
October 21 2013 05:57 GMT
#1030
You'd have to think the biggest threat to Naniwa is both dear and soo dominating the season 3 finals - not that it is a certainty by any means, just seems the biggest logical threat. I feel like oz and vortix will get snapped at S3
Mevious
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada150 Posts
October 21 2013 05:58 GMT
#1031
MVP 100% NOW

LET'S DO THIS
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doffe
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden636 Posts
October 21 2013 06:12 GMT
#1032
On October 21 2013 14:58 Mevious wrote:
MVP 100% NOW

LET'S DO THIS

where you afraid for him when he was 99.32587328578 ? :D
Kakaru2
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
October 21 2013 06:13 GMT
#1033
What program you use to run a Monte Carlo simulation?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
October 21 2013 06:42 GMT
#1034
On October 21 2013 15:13 Kakaru2 wrote:
What program you use to run a Monte Carlo simulation?

I wrote it myself
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Negius
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands290 Posts
October 21 2013 06:53 GMT
#1035
On October 21 2013 15:12 doffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 14:58 Mevious wrote:
MVP 100% NOW

LET'S DO THIS

where you afraid for him when he was 99.32587328578 ? :D


I'm shamed to say I was...
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Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 08:32:34
October 21 2013 08:32 GMT
#1036
On October 21 2013 13:44 Iceman331 wrote:
In case anyone wants the specific scenarios, Naniwa is knocked out if any 2 of the following happen:

Byul, Genius, Hack or Trap finish first.
Vortix makes the top 2.
Oz, Dear, or soO make top 4.
Whatever the deal with Revival and tiebreakers is.

Revival is knocked out if any one of those happens.

Duckdeok is knocked out if:
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO finishes second AND,
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO, Genius, Byul, Trap, or Hack finishes first.

Feel free to double check me on that, but I believe those are all the possible scenarios. Obviously, the person replacing the on knocked out is the person with the mentioned result.


Okay, that's pretty fantastic for Naniwa. Oz, Dear or soO making Top 4 seems fairly likely, but I'd be very surprised if either of the other two happened.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Kheve
Profile Joined May 2013
323 Posts
October 21 2013 11:42 GMT
#1037
On October 21 2013 15:12 doffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 14:58 Mevious wrote:
MVP 100% NOW

LET'S DO THIS

where you afraid for him when he was 99.32587328578 ? :D


He was rlly under threat back when rain. scarlett hyun etc were still in running for a season finals spot. Not to mention the last minute revival iem new york seed.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 21 2013 12:07 GMT
#1038
On October 21 2013 17:32 Salivanth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:44 Iceman331 wrote:
In case anyone wants the specific scenarios, Naniwa is knocked out if any 2 of the following happen:

Byul, Genius, Hack or Trap finish first.
Vortix makes the top 2.
Oz, Dear, or soO make top 4.
Whatever the deal with Revival and tiebreakers is.

Revival is knocked out if any one of those happens.

Duckdeok is knocked out if:
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO finishes second AND,
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO, Genius, Byul, Trap, or Hack finishes first.

Feel free to double check me on that, but I believe those are all the possible scenarios. Obviously, the person replacing the on knocked out is the person with the mentioned result.


Okay, that's pretty fantastic for Naniwa. Oz, Dear or soO making Top 4 seems fairly likely, but I'd be very surprised if either of the other two happened.


I think you might be reading it incorrectly Oz, Dear, or soO make top 4 is actually 3 seperate conditions. Which means is 2 out of Dear, soO or Oz make Ro4, Naniwa and Revival are out. It really depends whether Dear and soO can retain their GSL forms to overseas.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
October 21 2013 12:13 GMT
#1039
On October 21 2013 17:32 Salivanth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:44 Iceman331 wrote:
In case anyone wants the specific scenarios, Naniwa is knocked out if any 2 of the following happen:

Byul, Genius, Hack or Trap finish first.
Vortix makes the top 2.
Oz, Dear, or soO make top 4.
Whatever the deal with Revival and tiebreakers is.

Revival is knocked out if any one of those happens.

Duckdeok is knocked out if:
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO finishes second AND,
One of Vortix, Oz, Dear, soO, Genius, Byul, Trap, or Hack finishes first.

Feel free to double check me on that, but I believe those are all the possible scenarios. Obviously, the person replacing the on knocked out is the person with the mentioned result.


Okay, that's pretty fantastic for Naniwa. Oz, Dear or soO making Top 4 seems fairly likely, but I'd be very surprised if either of the other two happened.


note the "or" on those sentences. If two of Dear/soO/Oz make it to Ro4, nani is 100% out. If only one makes it, it's still up in the air on wtf is gonna happen with the revival tiebreaker.

Naniwa's chances are not as good as ppl are making it out to be tbh
SooYoung-Noona!
Stoffelhase
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany162 Posts
October 21 2013 12:40 GMT
#1040
havnt said it yet: i check this thread after every update, it is awesome
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