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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 21 2013 07:05 GMT
#1
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graphics by shiroiusagi

Hey guys, this is Seeker. After speaking with Plexa, here are the new updates regarding liquibets:

All liquibets will be created with at least 24 hours in advance. Any liquibet created with less than 24 hours notice (with the exception of give or take a few hours because of WCS schedules) will automatically be set to 0.
I will no longer be doing liquibets for Up/Downs. It is a lot of work for everyone to keep track of 50(+) Up/Down liquibets in 1 week Oo;; The reason I do individual liquibets for all 10 - 15 matches for Up/Downs rather than make 1 liquibet with 5 - 6 players as an option is because the current liquibets system has been formatted to allow only a maximum of 4 players per vote. Now I've spoken to R1CH about this and he said that there is a possibility of updating the liquibet system to allow more than 4 players per vote in the future. However, there is no set date for the release of this new liquibet voting system and R1CH is a very busy man so don't expect it to be implemented anytime soon.

Liquibet seasons will last for an entire duration of a WCS season:
  • WCS Korea (Challenger League + Premier League)
  • WCS Europe (Challenger League + Premier League)
  • WCS America (Challenger League + Premier League)
  • WCS Season Finals
  • GSTL
  • Proleague

Obviously GSTL and Proleague will most likely still be going on when a liquibets season concludes, so watch out and stay alert for those.

Also, I sincerely apologize for this current season of liquibets going on for way too long. Normally liquibets don't go on this long but there were some issues to work out. But everything is now back on track

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Last but not least, here are the current top 10 people for this season's liquibets ranking:
    1.       640       thebike
    2.       627       TheThunder
    3.       625       Asha`
    4.       625       Kerence
    5.       624       Jaramir
    6.       624       Vireo
    7.       624       RedPx
    8.       623       ejac
    9.       621       Arnstein
    10.       619       N.geNuity

TheThunder, Asha`, Kerence, Jaramir, Vireo, RedPx, ejac, Arnstein, and N.geNuity all have one last chance to try to overthrow thebike with the upcoming 2013 WCS Season 2 Finals. Wish them luck!

See you all next season
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ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 07:09:14
August 21 2013 07:06 GMT
#2
Who was the last person to receive a Liquibet icon for sc2 Liquibets? I feel like the Liquibet season went on for forever, like over a year.

I personally stopped doing them a while ago because it seemed pointless, and there were way too many of them.
Like a Boss
Profile Joined January 2011
502 Posts
August 21 2013 07:07 GMT
#3
good luck with ya'll bets.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 21 2013 07:08 GMT
#4
I stopped doing Liquibets since WCS, sometimes it just felt endless.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
August 21 2013 07:12 GMT
#5
Changes sound good. I will definitely try to keep up with this season.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
August 21 2013 07:29 GMT
#6
Man I haven't followed SC2 for a year now but I still keep doing these without putting any thought into it and I'm rank 28 even though I've missed votes.

What always bothered me was that although I'm sure I log on TL daily I still missed out on some votes but sounds like that might get sorted now.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 21 2013 08:28 GMT
#7
Very nice to get an update. Thanks
Moderatorlickypiddy
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 21 2013 17:37 GMT
#8
On August 21 2013 16:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
I stopped doing Liquibets since WCS, sometimes it just felt endless.

Yeah I know. This season took forever to conclude. But rest assured, things are back on track now
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 21 2013 17:40 GMT
#9
Asha won't win liquibet. He's a noob.
Glorious SEA doto
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 21 2013 17:45 GMT
#10
i am planning to use aligulac to cheat myself to the victory for the next season.

nice update, thanks seeker
TL+ Member
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
August 21 2013 18:04 GMT
#11
WCS Ro8+ is always killing me. I went from 3rd to 22nd
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 21 2013 19:31 GMT
#12
On August 22 2013 03:04 monk wrote:
WCS Ro8+ is always killing me. I went from 3rd to 22nd

Haha yeah, I remember. I was rooting for you too :/
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 21 2013 23:11 GMT
#13
Bumping. I need people to see this new update as much as possible :/
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
August 21 2013 23:14 GMT
#14
For always voting with my heart I am doing reasonably well in this :D
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
FlyingSteaks
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil433 Posts
August 21 2013 23:19 GMT
#15
Somehow I'm second at Proleague betting, better than nothing!
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 21 2013 23:28 GMT
#16
On August 22 2013 08:19 FlyingSteaks wrote:
Somehow I'm second at Proleague betting, better than nothing!

Is there some sort of separate Proleague betting one that I am not aware of? How do you know this?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Jaxx
Profile Joined July 2004
Slovakia758 Posts
August 21 2013 23:30 GMT
#17
Hooray for new season, I was demotivated after some terrible streaks. Whats really funny tho is that I'm doing far better at BW liquibet and I don't follow BW anymore. Gotta have that luck to do well I guess
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 21 2013 23:52 GMT
#18
I would won the shit out of this if Proleague wasn't included. T_T
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
August 22 2013 00:05 GMT
#19
On August 22 2013 08:28 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 08:19 FlyingSteaks wrote:
Somehow I'm second at Proleague betting, better than nothing!

Is there some sort of separate Proleague betting one that I am not aware of? How do you know this?

http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/ranking.php?tour=12
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
August 22 2013 00:17 GMT
#20
I'm still missing 11 points. This doesn't matter for me because I'm nowhere near the top positions but is this resolved? I never saw anything official about it.

Not gonna miss any votes ever again. I want that icon!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
August 22 2013 00:32 GMT
#21
thebike is kicking some butt.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
August 22 2013 00:38 GMT
#22
i'm still moving up the ranks! rank 357
rip prime
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 22 2013 04:21 GMT
#23
On August 22 2013 09:17 Penev wrote:
I'm still missing 11 points. This doesn't matter for me because I'm nowhere near the top positions but is this resolved? I never saw anything official about it.

Not gonna miss any votes ever again. I want that icon!

We never figured out those missing points

However, once the new season starts, everything will be back to square 1, and I'm going to take extra precautions to make sure there are no screw-ups so you should be good to go.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 04:23:46
August 22 2013 04:23 GMT
#24
I'm so happy we'll finally have actual LB seasons instead of having to only reset it once a year

Thanks for keeping on this SeeKeR!
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
August 22 2013 04:44 GMT
#25
On August 21 2013 16:06 Dodgin wrote:
Who was the last person to receive a Liquibet icon for sc2 Liquibets? I feel like the Liquibet season went on for forever, like over a year.

I personally stopped doing them a while ago because it seemed pointless, and there were way too many of them.

I did the same. Looking forward to starting up again!
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
August 22 2013 20:58 GMT
#26
On August 22 2013 13:23 Heyoka wrote:
I'm so happy we'll finally have actual LB seasons instead of having to only reset it once a year

Thanks for keeping on this SeeKeR!

T-T You're such a bully Heyoka... You know that SeeKeR drives me nuts...
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 21:18:02
August 22 2013 21:17 GMT
#27
Liquidbet seasons are way too long, when was the last reset ?
Well perhaps it was reset recently, I stopped LB'ing because the seasons seems to never end. But it'll change soon so I'll be back !

PS : Asha imba :O
Sh1bby
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany711 Posts
August 24 2013 22:12 GMT
#28
On August 22 2013 13:21 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 09:17 Penev wrote:
I'm still missing 11 points. This doesn't matter for me because I'm nowhere near the top positions but is this resolved? I never saw anything official about it.

Not gonna miss any votes ever again. I want that icon!

We never figured out those missing points

However, once the new season starts, everything will be back to square 1, and I'm going to take extra precautions to make sure there are no screw-ups so you should be good to go.


Oh, I am not the only one then. I have 633 in my stats displayed, but I miss 7 points in ranking (626)...would be top 5 perhaps. T.T

Well, can't wait for next season.
@Seeker (and all the others involved in the Liquibet system): Thanks for your hard work!!!
"People should not ruminate about the past. Just do your best here and now." [Aya Kito]
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 24 2013 22:27 GMT
#29
On August 23 2013 06:17 MrCon wrote:
Liquidbet seasons are way too long, when was the last reset ?
Well perhaps it was reset recently, I stopped LB'ing because the seasons seems to never end. But it'll change soon so I'll be back !

PS : Asha imba :O

The last reset was in December last year I believe right before the Sniper vs Ryung and HyuN vs Bogus semis cause I was in 1st place for like a week since the tiebreaker is post count
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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defnotGeorge
Profile Joined October 2010
United States80 Posts
August 24 2013 22:33 GMT
#30
Any chance there will be an update soon that will make the stats link for each player go to the HotS stat page instead of the WoL one?
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
August 25 2013 03:54 GMT
#31
Great. Thanks for the update!
No church in the wild --- @tzhang0126
BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
August 25 2013 04:32 GMT
#32
Twas a good season for me. I worked my way from 600 the season before to 224 currently at 584 points.
thebike
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States157 Posts
August 25 2013 19:41 GMT
#33
Hurray! Got mad lucky and managed to win this season.
the bike AKA the REGULAR TRAIN
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 25 2013 19:41 GMT
#34
congrats!
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 25 2013 19:52 GMT
#35
somehow I climbed up 300 ranks in the last week despite getting the semifinals and finals of WCS world completely wrong
Moderatorshe/her
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TheSayo182
Profile Joined September 2012
Italy243 Posts
August 25 2013 20:00 GMT
#36
is it possible to have a correct voting % classification?
"Remember: Probes & Pylons and when behind Dark Shrine!"
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
August 25 2013 20:39 GMT
#37
On August 22 2013 09:17 Penev wrote:
I'm still missing 11 points. This doesn't matter for me because I'm nowhere near the top positions but is this resolved? I never saw anything official about it.

Not gonna miss any votes ever again. I want that icon!


How/what is the icon associated with LiquiBets?
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 20:43:41
August 25 2013 20:42 GMT
#38
Oh this is nice, I've kept doing Liquibets as soon as I see them pop up anyway just for the fun of it

On August 26 2013 05:39 BoZiffer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 09:17 Penev wrote:
I'm still missing 11 points. This doesn't matter for me because I'm nowhere near the top positions but is this resolved? I never saw anything official about it.

Not gonna miss any votes ever again. I want that icon!


How/what is the icon associated with LiquiBets?



Check Thebike's icon next to his name, his post is just a few above yours
You need to construct additional pylons.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 25 2013 20:43 GMT
#39
On August 22 2013 09:17 Penev wrote:
I'm still missing 11 points. This doesn't matter for me because I'm nowhere near the top positions but is this resolved? I never saw anything official about it.

Not gonna miss any votes ever again. I want that icon!

yeah I just checked mine and the My Stats page says I should have 613 and the Ranking page only shows me with 607. I guess it probably wont matter at the top since thebike is pretty far ahead but it could shift the rankings around a little since not everyone is missing the same number of points
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
August 25 2013 20:45 GMT
#40
29...

So close, and still so far

Congratz to the winners.
H.R.Giger
Profile Joined December 2011
China27 Posts
August 26 2013 00:59 GMT
#41
gg @thebike
But guys please for the new season be aware of problems, of points disappearing, and such. Personally I missed 11 points as many others did missed some as well. Nevertheless great job, great stuff, great games! All the best!
ashita wa ashita no kaze ga fuku
Biopower
Profile Joined September 2011
United States79 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 18:28:44
September 04 2013 18:27 GMT
#42
Ahhhh I got so close to top 10. Made it all the way up to rank 7 at one point even....1 finals I got wrong at the end and the 8 points of votes that I "missed" at the very beginning of the season

and I think EVERYONE has missing points from the rankings vs their stats page so it evens out
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
September 12 2013 14:36 GMT
#43
On August 22 2013 02:45 Paljas wrote:
i am planning to use aligulac to cheat myself to the victory for the next season.

nice update, thanks seeker


i'm planning to use my own ratingalgorithm which is much better then aligulac. have fun on the second to tenth place.
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 13 2013 10:58 GMT
#44
So there are new bets for new Liquibet season but I've clicked on bets out of curiosity and I saw that there are new bets added but the 0/0 near the open liquibets were not highlighted with yellow font as they tend to be.

Any fix ?
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
RedPx
Profile Joined August 2011
France7 Posts
September 13 2013 16:40 GMT
#45
Congratz thebike !!!!!
http://www.thenoisyswarm.com/
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
September 13 2013 16:41 GMT
#46
I can't ever vote liquibets with heart anymore D:
chuky500
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
France473 Posts
September 13 2013 16:47 GMT
#47
At least with this season we had WCS Europe and America. Before that it was a Korean tournament betting so it wasn't really interresting for me.
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