KeSPA's Team Eight is now officially sponsored by Jin Air (Koraen Air's low cost brand), and has been reformed as the "Jin Air Green Wings." The 8th Team was a team KeSPA had been runing out of pocket since 2011, largely consisting of players from disbanded teams Hwaseung Oz, WeMade FOX and MBCGame Hero.
The Green Wings have expanded to include League of Legends as well as StarCraft II, and will run two LoL squads called "Stealth" and "Falcon." Ten LoL players have been recruited, primarily consisting of players from the former AHQ Korea and a number of former SKT T1 LoL players. The teams had already been competing in OnGameNet's LoL league under the names HGD and ESG, and they will continue to compete under their new names.
For the stable operations of the team, KeSPA will continue to play a part in the operations of the team. Parent company Korean Air and Viamonoh (provider of clothing for Jin Air flight attendents) will be sub sponsors of the team.
Does this mean Jaedong is going back to team 8? Wasn't he only on lease with EG until team 8 found a real sponsor? Or was that a rumor? God I want Jaedong to be on a real team so bad so he can show us his true potential.
On July 10 2013 12:10 SoFrOsTy wrote: Does this mean Jaedong is going back to team 8? Wasn't he only on lease with EG until team 8 found a real sponsor? Or was that a rumor? God I want Jaedong to be on a real team so bad so he can show us his true potential.
Jaedong has a 1 year binding with EG he is on the team until then.
So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
On July 10 2013 12:10 SoFrOsTy wrote: Does this mean Jaedong is going back to team 8? Wasn't he only on lease with EG until team 8 found a real sponsor? Or was that a rumor? God I want Jaedong to be on a real team so bad so he can show us his true potential.
I think jaedong will go back to team 8 once his eg contract expires. They cut major and others to free up money for the dong's return! Just cause they have a sponsor now, doesn't mean it's an unlimited budget.
On July 10 2013 12:06 opterown wrote: Source: Inven.co.kr
Summary
KeSPA's Team Eight is now officially sponsored by Jin Air (Koraen Air's low cost brand), and has been reformed as the "Jin Air Green Wings." The 8th Team was a team KeSPA had been runing out of pocket since 2011, largely consisting of players from disbanded teams Hwaseung Oz, WeMade FOX and MBCGame Hero.
The Green Wings have expanded to include League of Legends as well as StarCraft II, and will run two LoL squads called "Stealth" and "Pelican." Ten LoL players have been recruited, primarily consisting of players from the former AHQ Korea and a number of former SKT T1 LoL players. The teams had already been competing in OnGameNet's LoL league under the names HGD and ESG, and they will continue to compete under their new names.
For the stable operations of the team, KeSPA will continue to play a part in the operations of the team. Parent company Korean Air and Viamonoh (provider of clothing for Jin Air flight attendents) will be sub sponsors of the team.
Haha I was too slow :D You sure its Pelican and not Falcons?
On July 10 2013 12:10 SoFrOsTy wrote: Does this mean Jaedong is going back to team 8? Wasn't he only on lease with EG until team 8 found a real sponsor? Or was that a rumor? God I want Jaedong to be on a real team so bad so he can show us his true potential.
EG has Coach Park.. It's not like his practice environment has been lackluster.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
one of the daughters of the Korean Air owning conglomerate is a famously devoted esports fan
On July 10 2013 12:17 rift wrote: I wonder if this has something to do with that CEO's daughter or whatever
???
She's a fan of starcraft.
Not to mention that she's gotten her father to sponsor two OSL's as Korean Air and one more as Jin Air. I hope this investment will last for the long term.
Though, whenever I think of GW, I think of gonewild :s Or Guild Wars. Preferably Guild Wars.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
one of the daughters of the Korean Air owning conglomerate is a famously devoted esports fan
i was speaking broadly. still, 3 osls and a team sponsorship... pretty good :V
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
one of the daughters of the Korean Air owning conglomerate is a famously devoted esports fan
being supported by a passionate rich person is almost as good as being supported by korean criminals, but not quite.
On July 10 2013 12:10 SoFrOsTy wrote: Does this mean Jaedong is going back to team 8? Wasn't he only on lease with EG until team 8 found a real sponsor? Or was that a rumor? God I want Jaedong to be on a real team so bad so he can show us his true potential.
At this point why would Jaedong even want to go back?
On July 10 2013 12:10 SoFrOsTy wrote: Does this mean Jaedong is going back to team 8? Wasn't he only on lease with EG until team 8 found a real sponsor? Or was that a rumor? God I want Jaedong to be on a real team so bad so he can show us his true potential.
At this point why would Jaedong even want to go back?
It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Poll: How will Jaehoon's Hair celebrate this momentous occasion?
Have his hair dyed green and gel'd into two wings, one on each side (22)
59%
Have his hair gel'd and dyed to look like an airplane (7)
19%
Have the Jin Air logo dyed on his head (3)
8%
Have "Team 8 4eva" shaved into the side of his head (3)
8%
Have his head shaved completely. Why? Bec he is Jaehoon (2)
5%
37 total votes
Your vote: How will Jaehoon's Hair celebrate this momentous occasion?
(Vote): Have the Jin Air logo dyed on his head (Vote): Have his hair gel'd and dyed to look like an airplane (Vote): Have his hair dyed green and gel'd into two wings, one on each side (Vote): Have "Team 8 4eva" shaved into the side of his head (Vote): Have his head shaved completely. Why? Bec he is Jaehoon
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
If it was a LoL only sponsorship they would have gotten rid of the SC2 division or not even have bothered to sponsored Team 8 and just picked up 2 LoL teams IMO.
On July 10 2013 12:43 larse wrote: So the Air Korea's princess who loves Jaedong decided to sponsor Team8 but didn't she know that Jaedong left Team8 long ago?
Maybe it's meant as a siren song to pull him back in.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
If it was a LoL only sponsorship they would have gotten rid of the SC2 division or not even bothered to sponsored Team 8 and just picked up 2 LoL teams.
I never said it wasn't a sc2 sponsorship as well. It will be a positive for the sc2 part of T8 as well. However it is doubtful that they will focus on Sc2 division as much as the LoL division.
Yay Team 8! But why did TRUE quit just when they got a sponsor? I remember him in one of those team videos on Proleague saying he'd never quit progaming.
Anyway solid sponsor. I always fly Korean Air when traveling to/around Asia.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
Do people actually do that...?
Also, I'm pretty sure they still DO expect a return in profit over the longterm...
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
Do people actually do that...?
Also, I'm pretty sure they still DO expect a return in profit over the longterm...
Yes. That's why many companies have charity programs, outreach programs, and strive so hard to improve their image. Brand equity is very important for large corporations. The profit gained from it is difficult to quantify and is usually not as direct as other means of improving sales, but it does make a big impact over a long period of time.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
Do people actually do that...?
Also, I'm pretty sure they still DO expect a return in profit over the longterm...
Yes. That's why many companies have charity programs, outreach programs, and strive so hard to improve their image. Brand equity is very important for large corporations. The profit gained from it is difficult to quantify and is usually not as direct as other means of improving sales, but it does make a big impact over a long period of time.
STX for example had their team budget under "charity" rather than "marketing".
lol at the people wanting Jaedong to be "on a real team". Like his time on EG hasn't shown that he is one of the best ZvT and arguably the best ZvZ players in the game. I sure do want him to leave the team with one of, if not THE best coaches on the entire planet. I am also sick and tired of seeing him at European and American events, if I got to meet The Tyrant at MLG Columbus I think I would just vomit from disgust.
I am quite happy for Team 8 though. I was worried about their future, and along with the STX rumors proleague was starting to sound shaky. With this I think we can expect proleague to be around for quite some time which is great for SC2 and esports!
Man, it would have been kinda great to see Jaedong play under Coach Park, but with the speculation that EG-TL might not even return next season I'm just happy that I'll continue to see JD playing in Proleague.
On July 10 2013 13:12 oniman999 wrote: lol at the people wanting Jaedong to be "on a real team". Like his time on EG hasn't shown that he is one of the best ZvT and arguably the best ZvZ players in the game. I sure do want him to leave the team with one of, if not THE best coaches on the entire planet. I am also sick and tired of seeing him at European and American events, if I got to meet The Tyrant at MLG Columbus I think I would just vomit from disgust.
Huh. I remember waiting with baited breath, day after day starting from the moment they announced the formation of Team 8, back in October 2011, hoping that every time I clicked on Fomos the new headlines would be "Team 8 has a new sponsor!" And I was always disappointed.
Now, two years later, it's finally happened, and I feel almost nothing. It's still a great thing to happen, so I don't want to say "too little too late," but that's just kind of how it seems to me.
I wonder if the plan to cut 4 players was cancelled midway through and that's why we only heard about Major and TRUE leaving?
I wouldn't think so, the player cut wasn't annoyed that long ago, and I'm sure this sponsorship was in talks for a good chunk of time. Perhaps the cut was because JinAir's budget didn't allow for all those players (JinAir being responsible for the bootings)
So does Jaedong go back to the team now because I thought the deal with EG was for 1 year or until they found a leading sponsor
No, Jaedong is with EG til the year is over (october?)
On July 10 2013 13:23 slowbacontron wrote: Awesome news! Team 8 will live on! What if Hot6ix sponsored a team? :o
They technically do, Hot6ix sponsors MVP.
It's different. By "sponsor", Hot6ix supplies MVP with drinks and stuffs but I dont think they give MVP any cash In this case, Jin Air technically forms the Green Wings and thus being the owner, securing a place in the team's name.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
"Savior of sc2 that people think it is" - nobody thinks this is saving StarCraft 2. It is saving a cool proleague team from having to die and then potentially create the "who will the new 8th team be" question.
Sweet! T8 had been sponsorless for so long, I had kinda forgotten that it was an issue at all. Nice to see them on a (hopefully) more sustainable track now.
yeeeeeeeeeeees finally. hard work always pays off! I think if they were to be *the new ACE* finding a sponsor would be very very difficult. But they stood their ground, actually competed and now they earned themselves a sponsor!
I hope JD goes back to his old team. From a fan perspective we will see him less but I think he will be in a better practice environment having to attend less foreign tournaments. Not having coach park hurts but he didn't need good teammates or coaches to dominate BW.
When they got CoCa, I approved of them. Before I hated them. And now, oddly, their sponsorship and change of name has made me like them a lot more. Very cool.
On July 10 2013 14:20 sc2superfan101 wrote: Oh shit, if those are their new uniforms those are fucking sharp.
too bad it looks like UNDFTD got shafted
Hey they will still have UNDFTD clothes like most of the kespa teams I forgot who but a bw ex-pro is CEO of UNDFTD Korea and will continue to sponsoring them. You will know when UNDFTD gets dropped if they get sponsored by Nike or Puma etc... (The more sponsors the better)
ALSO: in the thread minor mishap (Koraen Air's low cost brand) notice "Koraen"
Finally ...T8 allways looked kinda like the unwanted child. Now they look more like a stable PL team and not like "meh we need an 8th team to run our stuff" (jea, kinda looked like that since they had to pull T8 out of the pocket...)
On July 10 2013 14:40 Neverhood wrote: I hope JD goes back to his old team. From a fan perspective we will see him less but I think he will be in a better practice environment having to attend less foreign tournaments. Not having coach park hurts but he's need good teammates or coaches to dominate BW.
On July 10 2013 12:07 Waxangel wrote: they have a lol team as well :o
I think the company wanted a LoL team and KeSPA told them they had to buy the SC2 team with it. It makes sense considering the movement KeSPA had on the LoL scene not a while ago.
On July 10 2013 12:07 Waxangel wrote: they have a lol team as well :o
I think the company wanted a LoL team and KeSPA told them they had to buy the SC2 team with it. It makes sense considering the movement KeSPA had on the LoL scene not a while ago.
Great news for everyone.
the same company has done a lot for starcraft esports before, i wouldn't be so conspiracyish haha
On July 10 2013 12:07 Waxangel wrote: they have a lol team as well :o
I think the company wanted a LoL team and KeSPA told them they had to buy the SC2 team with it. It makes sense considering the movement KeSPA had on the LoL scene not a while ago.
No, read the first few pages instead of theorycrafting bs.
On July 10 2013 15:57 Incognoto wrote: This is such really good news am i right?
Yes, it pretty much confirms another year of SC2 Proleague and Team 8 gets a stable sponsor. Also allows KeSPA to support STX if their sponsorship falls through this offseason.
On July 10 2013 13:23 slowbacontron wrote: Awesome news! Team 8 will live on! What if Hot6ix sponsored a team? :o
They technically do, Hot6ix sponsors MVP.
It's different. By "sponsor", Hot6ix supplies MVP with drinks and stuffs but I dont think they give MVP any cash In this case, Jin Air technically forms the Green Wings and thus being the owner, securing a place in the team's name.
No Jin Air does not own Green Wings. They only bought naming rights, much like Hite Sparkyz and LG-IM.
I have a question. T8 released 4 players due to financial issues, MajOr was one of them. Now they do introduce JinAir as sponsor which are (I suppose) pretty wealthy. Were the financial issues bound to KeSPa sponsoring or is the deal with JinAir actually so "bad" that they needed to cut 4 players? Just being curious!
On July 10 2013 15:44 mumming wrote: AWESOME!!! :D From now on all GW players will make entrys to matches like flash and effort from the korean air osl finals! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aw-42JO3qk
Wow Effort got shafted on the entrance ceremony there.
And omg those GW military jackets are more pimp that CJ's cardigans. I must have one!
That uniform looks really nice! Happy for Team 8 to finally get a sponsor, even though they have some good talent it always felt a little like less than a complete team to me. Green Wings has a pretty decent sound to it as well~
On July 10 2013 16:07 NarutO wrote: I have a question. T8 released 4 players due to financial issues, MajOr was one of them. Now they do introduce JinAir as sponsor which are (I suppose) pretty wealthy. Were the financial issues bound to KeSPa sponsoring or is the deal with JinAir actually so "bad" that they needed to cut 4 players? Just being curious!
Maybe Jin Air wanted to pay less money to sponsor the team.
On July 10 2013 16:05 RandomPlayer wrote: I was hoping t8 and some other team like cj entus would disband, leaving some place for IM and MVP. im quite a bit surprised by this
How can you hope for teams to disband ? IM and MVP are not in Proleague for other reasons than the total amount of teams. Proleague used to have 12 teams.
On July 10 2013 12:07 Waxangel wrote: they have a lol team as well :o
I think the company wanted a LoL team and KeSPA told them they had to buy the SC2 team with it. It makes sense considering the movement KeSPA had on the LoL scene not a while ago.
Great news for everyone.
the same company has done a lot for starcraft esports before, i wouldn't be so conspiracyish haha
It's not a conspiracy, it's business. KeSPA wants to find a company for T8 but LoL is much bigger now. So a deal was struck and that's an excellent news.
On July 10 2013 16:05 RandomPlayer wrote: I was hoping t8 and some other team like cj entus would disband, leaving some place for IM and MVP. im quite a bit surprised by this
Wtf is wrong with you?!? So glad T8 got a sponsor,they really needed this :D Another season of Proleague here we go! \m/
On July 10 2013 16:07 NarutO wrote: I have a question. T8 released 4 players due to financial issues, MajOr was one of them. Now they do introduce JinAir as sponsor which are (I suppose) pretty wealthy. Were the financial issues bound to KeSPa sponsoring or is the deal with JinAir actually so "bad" that they needed to cut 4 players? Just being curious!
I think JinAir is mainly in for LoL, and Team8 is the slot they can fill in, so they pick up team8 theorically. It doesn't mean that they will support SC2 team financially as much as LoL team.
On July 10 2013 16:07 NarutO wrote: I have a question. T8 released 4 players due to financial issues, MajOr was one of them. Now they do introduce JinAir as sponsor which are (I suppose) pretty wealthy. Were the financial issues bound to KeSPa sponsoring or is the deal with JinAir actually so "bad" that they needed to cut 4 players? Just being curious!
I think JinAir is mainly in for LoL, and Team8 is the slot they can fill in, so they pick up team8 theorically. It doesn't mean that they will support SC2 team financially as much as LoL team.
Yeah, they sponsored Brood War team WeMadeFox in the past and 3 OSLs including the second to last OSL but they were absent from SC2 till now so it makes sense that they are in it for the LOL team since its being added to Proleague.
They better pay those big sponsor moneiz to CoCa. (:
As to cutting players, even though their official statement is they didn't have money for them, it could be that they wanted to raise the standard significantly for the remaining players, so they can fully focus on the game.
Yay good news for a KESPA team for once <3 Well done Team8, going be strange not seeing them as Team8 though haahah. Should be great for them and the SPL and such. Can't wait for them to be able to sign some more players again.
On July 10 2013 16:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: oh they got new uniforms? Thank goodness, prior to this team 8 had the absolutely worst uniforms of any Korean team. Team 8 seemed so lame.
Now they kind of remind me of back when MVP had fashion with their military jackets.
Oddly enough, I think MVP has now inherited the bottom position in uniforms. Those white and orange Ts are weak.
They are white/blue now.
MVP has literally had over ten different uniforms since their inception two plus years ago.
On July 10 2013 16:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: oh they got new uniforms? Thank goodness, prior to this team 8 had the absolutely worst uniforms of any Korean team. Team 8 seemed so lame.
Now they kind of remind me of back when MVP had fashion with their military jackets.
Oddly enough, I think MVP has now inherited the bottom position in uniforms. Those white and orange Ts are weak.
They are white/blue now.
MVP has literally had over ten different uniforms since their inception two plus years ago.
or is Keen just special?
They should go back to the red coats in the fall/winter :p
On July 10 2013 16:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: oh they got new uniforms? Thank goodness, prior to this team 8 had the absolutely worst uniforms of any Korean team. Team 8 seemed so lame.
Now they kind of remind me of back when MVP had fashion with their military jackets.
Oddly enough, I think MVP has now inherited the bottom position in uniforms. Those white and orange Ts are weak.
They are white/blue now.
MVP has literally had over ten different uniforms since their inception two plus years ago.
or is Keen just special?
I'm pretty sure half their budget goes to uniforms.
On July 10 2013 16:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: oh they got new uniforms? Thank goodness, prior to this team 8 had the absolutely worst uniforms of any Korean team. Team 8 seemed so lame.
Now they kind of remind me of back when MVP had fashion with their military jackets.
Oddly enough, I think MVP has now inherited the bottom position in uniforms. Those white and orange Ts are weak.
They are white/blue now.
MVP has literally had over ten different uniforms since their inception two plus years ago.
or is Keen just special?
I'm pretty sure half their budget goes to uniforms.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
one of the daughters of the Korean Air owning conglomerate is a famously devoted esports fan
being supported by a passionate rich person is almost as good as being supported by korean criminals, but not quite.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
one of the daughters of the Korean Air owning conglomerate is a famously devoted esports fan
being supported by a passionate rich person is almost as good as being supported by korean criminals, but not quite.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
one of the daughters of the Korean Air owning conglomerate is a famously devoted esports fan
being supported by a passionate rich person is almost as good as being supported by korean criminals, but not quite.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
you don't understand why these companies are doing it. they're not doing it because they expect a return in profits, they want to raise their image and have people associate them with the young hardworking faces they idolize.
one of the daughters of the Korean Air owning conglomerate is a famously devoted esports fan
being supported by a passionate rich person is almost as good as being supported by korean criminals, but not quite.
Who are supported by criminals?
AZUBU. A lot of digging found that the head honcho of AZUBU is actually a Korean financial criminal.
On July 10 2013 16:05 RandomPlayer wrote: I was hoping t8 and some other team like cj entus would disband, leaving some place for IM and MVP. im quite a bit surprised by this
On July 10 2013 12:10 SoFrOsTy wrote: God I want Jaedong to be on a real team so bad so he can show us his true potential.
Jaedong actually IS on a real team. If you do not like your favourite players to play on another than your favourite team, go get the fuck out of this page. I'm not an EG fan, but that attitude about so-called "real teams" just sucks.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
Just rising awareness so the company is better positioned in the decision set of the customer can be enough, not all things involved in the purchase process are 100% rational.
On July 10 2013 17:35 SChlafmann wrote: Oh man, this day is starting pretty well, new sponsors for a Kespa team, for EG-TL, and a new league. SC2 ain't dying anymore xD
That XMG sponsorship is with EG alone, not EG-TL.
Anyways, with Team 8 being the Jin Air Green Wings in the future, it would seem there will still be 7 teams for another season of Proleague. But who will be the new 8th team? I had hoped for EG-TL to come back, but having heard iNcontroL's input on it on ITG last night, I have a sinking feeling about this.
On July 10 2013 17:35 SChlafmann wrote: Oh man, this day is starting pretty well, new sponsors for a Kespa team, for EG-TL, and a new league. SC2 ain't dying anymore xD
This is far more newsworthy than EG's Xth sponsor or some online foreigner team league. It's just huge for the korean scene to have another major company getting involved. Especially with STX's financial troubles.
On July 10 2013 17:35 SChlafmann wrote: Oh man, this day is starting pretty well, new sponsors for a Kespa team, for EG-TL, and a new league. SC2 ain't dying anymore xD
This is far more newsworthy than EG's Xth sponsor or some online foreigner team league. It's just huge for the korean scene to have another major company getting involved. Especially with STX's financial troubles.
well it all depends about what he was most concerned about, it's all a matter of opinion
On July 10 2013 16:05 RandomPlayer wrote: I was hoping t8 and some other team like cj entus would disband, leaving some place for IM and MVP. im quite a bit surprised by this
After the downward spiral that was the transition from BW to SC2 (not talking about the games here, just that Oz/FOX/MBC simultaneously disbanded around that time) things are finally starting to improve again.
I'm happy Kespa is now trying to make two games (LoL & SC2) co-exist in Korea, it makes them less dependent on one thing and more stable, so more interesting for sponsors I guess. And it shows (:
Would still love to see a Proleague with eSF teams though, going back to around 10 teams would be awesome!
So happy for them. Seems to be mainly a LoL team tho so I hope they won't scrap the sc2 division after a season or so because it is such a money dump in Korea atm or something like that.
On July 10 2013 17:35 SChlafmann wrote: Oh man, this day is starting pretty well, new sponsors for a Kespa team, for EG-TL, and a new league. SC2 ain't dying anymore xD
This is far more newsworthy than EG's Xth sponsor or some online foreigner team league. It's just huge for the korean scene to have another major company getting involved. Especially with STX's financial troubles.
well it all depends about what he was most concerned about, it's all a matter of opinion
Damn I was gonna say the same thing to this guy, you beat me to it. Not everyone values things exactly the same, no need to put other things down just to give the thing you prefer more of a boost.
On July 10 2013 17:35 SChlafmann wrote: Oh man, this day is starting pretty well, new sponsors for a Kespa team, for EG-TL, and a new league. SC2 ain't dying anymore xD
This is far more newsworthy than EG's Xth sponsor or some online foreigner team league. It's just huge for the korean scene to have another major company getting involved. Especially with STX's financial troubles.
It's more than a little bit obvious that Team 8 wasn't the focus of this deal. It's great that they got a piece of the sponsorship pie and it's good for publicity but Korean Air aren't new to e-sports and they aren't focusing on SC2.
On July 10 2013 17:35 SChlafmann wrote: Oh man, this day is starting pretty well, new sponsors for a Kespa team, for EG-TL, and a new league. SC2 ain't dying anymore xD
This is far more newsworthy than EG's Xth sponsor or some online foreigner team league. It's just huge for the korean scene to have another major company getting involved. Especially with STX's financial troubles.
It's more than a little bit obvious that Team 8 wasn't the focus of this deal. It's great that they got a piece of the sponsorship pie and it's good for publicity but Korean Air aren't new to e-sports and they aren't focusing on SC2.
Considering the CEO's daughter was involved I'd be surprised if it wasn't a major part of the deal. Similar to how the Jin Air OSL was picked up at the last minute (after several Korean Air OSL's) due to a lack of sponsors so was Team 8. It seems Korean Air (AKA the daughter) cares about Starcraft specifically, not just eSports or advertising. I'm well aware it's not Korean Air's first time in SC but it is their first venture into SC2, which is significant.
I'm also pretty sure buying an entire team counts as focusing. 2 LoL teams seems standard for a lot of the major sponsors for player number/practice purposes so the 1:2 argument doesn't really stand up. It's still a single teamhouse for either game and similar player numbers.
On July 10 2013 20:18 Cubu wrote: i have a feeling they wouldn't have sponsored at all if it wasn't for lol and its popularity in korea.
So many of these posts this thread -.- The sponsorship would've happened with or without LoL.
On July 10 2013 17:35 SChlafmann wrote: Oh man, this day is starting pretty well, new sponsors for a Kespa team, for EG-TL, and a new league. SC2 ain't dying anymore xD
This is far more newsworthy than EG's Xth sponsor or some online foreigner team league. It's just huge for the korean scene to have another major company getting involved. Especially with STX's financial troubles.
It's more than a little bit obvious that Team 8 wasn't the focus of this deal. It's great that they got a piece of the sponsorship pie and it's good for publicity but Korean Air aren't new to e-sports and they aren't focusing on SC2.
Considering the CEO's daughter was involved I'd be surprised if it wasn't a major part of the deal. Similar to how the Jin Air OSL was picked up at the last minute (after several Korean Air OSL's) due to a lack of sponsors so was Team 8. It seems Korean Air (AKA the daughter) cares about Starcraft specifically, not just eSports or advertising. I'm well aware it's not Korean Air's first time in SC but it is their first venture into SC2, which is significant.
I'm also pretty sure buying an entire team counts as focusing. 2 LoL teams seems standard for a lot of the major sponsors for player number/practice purposes so the 1:2 argument doesn't really stand up. It's still a single teamhouse for either game and similar player numbers.
I still hope IM and some of the other good GSTL teams have an oppurtunity to enter PL. I rather see the top teams fighting than traditional teams, IM definately deserves to be in PL.
Wow, thats big news. Really great. I have been waiting for this since final BW days.
But what is this trend in TL.net-forums to make threads in SC2 and then only speak about LoL? Are we SC2 players to be convinced to follow the masses of LoL? It's a bit of a shame. When you make a thread in SC2 forums, it should be primarily about SC2, and not exclusively about LoL. It's a shame, considering TL.net's history.
On July 10 2013 20:31 Markwerf wrote: I still hope IM and some of the other good GSTL teams have an oppurtunity to enter PL. I rather see the top teams fighting than traditional teams, IM definately deserves to be in PL.
I am almost certain IM would be accepted into Kespa/SPL if LG got involved in a more direct way. EGTL as a foreign experiment notwithstanding, I'm not sure it's likely for SPL to let teams that run themselves into the league. I think they're looking for something more like a long-term commitment and ownership/sponsorship of the team.
If they let IM in, they will want there to be a team called LG IM 5 years from now no matter how well the team does, not for the head sponsor to decide "we ain't doing this anymore" next year and they end up stuck with another Team 8 situation.
Well considering they just picked up CoCa I guess the next thing on their bucket list was to get a sponsor and what do you know.. It's by Korean Air (one of the old sponsors). Is kind of weird because if they were going to sponsor a team I thought they would have done it a lot sooner, but whatever..
On July 10 2013 21:12 KristofferAG wrote: No dota squad?
Maybe in time. Anyway, it looks like we're getting the OGN SparkyZ/Woongjin Stars tacky green and yellow color scheme back. huehuehue. These uniforms should be interesting.
I'm an SKT1 guy, but this is fantastic news. I always felt bad for those guys not having the support they needed and deserved because of a lack of sponsorship.
On July 10 2013 21:16 johnnysokko wrote: I'm an SKT1 guy, but this is fantastic news. I always felt bad for those guys not having the support they needed and deserved because of a lack of sponsorship.
Go Green Wings!! (Just not too far)
I hope they give them pilot hats to wear and take a page from the KTF Forever unis.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
On July 10 2013 12:18 Blargh wrote: So is Jin Air like the equivalent of jetBlue? Sort of weird having an airline as a sponsor, but I guess the Korean sponsors are all random super companies. I know I wouldn't go fly on a different airline just because someone was sponsored by it... This ain't electronics, ya know?
I'd say more like the equivalent of Spirit in the US or Ryan Air in Europe... low cost flights, etc.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
On July 10 2013 21:12 KristofferAG wrote: No dota squad?
not until it goes on TV imo (aka not until LoL dies aka 2090 at this rate) also I dont think any Korean proteam has ever managed more than two gaming squads except for maybe WeMade/eStro
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
You mean Special Forces? Or actually SC2? I'm not very up to date with these stats.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
More and more events being broadcasted on TV? Really? Seriously? Where? When? By Whom?
Far as I know SPL and OGN's content are the only content being broadcasted on TV...
I have no idea why you are being hostile, I'm just showing concern for my favorite game. TL threads/posters just seem to breed hostility constantly.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
On July 10 2013 12:08 NovemberstOrm wrote: anyone know what exactly jinair is?
They sponsored the 2010 OSL.
Did he miss the part about it being an Air Liner? Come on guys. It's not the first time they sponsored something. I guess they weren't around or saw all those awesome commercials. The guy's kids love BW as well.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Since when is it the third most played game in PC Bangs? lol
Well if nothing else those uniforms look sooooooo much better than the old T8 ones :D Also it should be nice to see this team actually be able to compete again, having a full sponsor and access to everything they need.
On July 10 2013 20:18 Cubu wrote: i have a feeling they wouldn't have sponsored at all if it wasn't for lol and its popularity in korea.
Your problem is you're not thinking as a corporation. They don't see SC2 as some unique and delicate flower that needs to bloom on its own. It's part of a generic thing called esports where they see it as all the same thing (and audience). It's not a lot different than when someone sponsors the X Games instead of just skateboarding or BMX.
High tide raises all boats, we should be happy that LoL is popular, as it only raises the profile of SC2 in return.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jin air TO THE RESCUE ONCE AGAIN gotta love Jin air
The abbreviation we should use is JA not GW. We usually use the sponsor name, not the team name. See CJ sans Entus, KT sans Rolster, STX sans Soul, etc.
On July 10 2013 23:11 CYFAWS wrote: damn. green wings is a really lame name and i always thought 8th team was somehow mysterious and badass
Looks at the period that KT was trying to figure out a name. Makes this look not so bad. If it were up to me I'd drop the Green, but whatever.
But the name "Wings" makes people think about chicken wings too much.
Speak for yourself. Surely some people would think about buffalo wings too. As for myself? I think of the Detroit Red Wings and guess what? There are a lot of sports teams that use Wings. Nothing wrong with it.
On July 10 2013 23:48 mikedebo wrote: TEAM 8 GOT ITS WINGS
On July 10 2013 23:54 Whitewing wrote: If they use GW instead of JA, I'm going to be thinking George Washington every time I see one of their names >_>
Am I the only one who thinks of Golden State Warriors?
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
That's the PC Bang statistics for the month of June from Gametrics.. BW at #6, SC2 at #19
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
On July 10 2013 23:11 CYFAWS wrote: damn. green wings is a really lame name and i always thought 8th team was somehow mysterious and badass
Looks at the period that KT was trying to figure out a name. Makes this look not so bad. If it were up to me I'd drop the Green, but whatever.
But the name "Wings" makes people think about chicken wings too much.
Speak for yourself. Surely some people would think about buffalo wings too. As for myself? I think of the Detroit Red Wings and guess what? There are a lot of sports teams that use Wings. Nothing wrong with it.
This is so good Timing for founding esports team that makes elevate their corporate of images because Lately Asiana Airlines stock price was plunged by accident A few days ago, so it is the best time for JinAir
Congrats to team 8.This surely is a sign that more major sponsors are moving in the sc2 scene.Hope this is just the beggining for sc2 in south korea and more big sponsors will follow.
To all the people claiming they only got sponsorship cause of the lol teams:do you guys have any evidence such as contracts,statements form officials etc or are you just applying your doomsayer fetishes into a realworld frame to confirm your repudiated subconscious desires of wanting sc2 dead?
That is some great news and I really hope that this is stable. At the end of the day Jin Air is nowhere near SKT, Samsung and CJ. It's a low cost airline with 8 planes... Let's hope that they will not drop the team after a year. The fact that companies are committing resources in eSports is really good tho.
On July 10 2013 16:05 RandomPlayer wrote: I was hoping t8 and some other team like cj entus would disband, leaving some place for IM and MVP. im quite a bit surprised by this
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
That's the PC Bang statistics for the month of June from Gametrics.. BW at #6, SC2 at #19
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
That's the PC Bang statistics for the month of June from Gametrics.. BW at #6, SC2 at #19
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
That's the PC Bang statistics for the month of June from Gametrics.. BW at #6, SC2 at #19
Excellent news! Congratz to them (especially getting rid of that silly Team 8 name) Sad but expected to see this thread being mainly about the same "Lol vs SC2", "with BW this would not have happened" and "SC2 is dead" non-sense. Ah well, some things never change.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
That's the PC Bang statistics for the month of June from Gametrics.. BW at #6, SC2 at #19
On July 11 2013 02:27 Talin wrote: 6 is Brood War, 8 is WC3
I don't think Dota is on the list? ;o
Dota2 hasn't been released in Korea yet. To play Dota2 in Korea, you still have to play through Steam, so PC bang don't have it. Nexon will make a standalone client later.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
That's the PC Bang statistics for the month of June from Gametrics.. BW at #6, SC2 at #19
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
That's the PC Bang statistics for the month of June from Gametrics.. BW at #6, SC2 at #19
I actually stopped taking the PC Bang data seriously after like 2011, South Korea has a stable and developed Internet environment, arguably one of the best in the world, the reason people now play in PC Bang is that they want to play with friends, that's one of the reasons LoL places #1, but with more and more players play at home, plus SC2 isn't really a play-with-your-friends game, it's low presence in PC Bangs is not a surprise. I remember there was a thread talking about a more general video game data in Korea, SC2 is steadily placed in the top 10, the streamer data from Afreeca supports this.
On July 11 2013 05:19 digmouse wrote: I actually stopped taking the PC Bang data seriously after like 2011, South Korea has a stable and developed Internet environment, arguably one of the best in the world, the reason people now play in PC Bang is that they want to play with friends, that's one of the reasons LoL places #1, but with more and more players play at home, plus SC2 isn't really a play-with-your-friends game, it's low presence in PC Bangs is not a surprise. I remember there was a thread talking about a more general video game data in Korea, SC2 is steadily placed in the top 10, the streamer data from Afreeca supports this.
Very true. A decade ago it was a pretty valid way to check which game was the most popular. Now it doesn't really matter where you play SC2, so why bother going there when you can have exactly the same experience at home, besides the few times you want to 4v4 with a few friends or something.
I like the fact SC2 is 4th there, it kinda reflects the twitch numbers honestly. LoL in the lead, SC2 not that far behind. But really, this shouldn't be that surprising. Dota-style games are really trending right now and they're WAY easier to pick up and play than SC2. So what if it's not going to be the biggest game in e-sports, if we keep having what we have right now, we should be fine (:
When the game starts to pick up a bit and we really get a lot of iconic people (like Mvp, but he's pretty much alone right now), when the level of play gets even higher, when there are going to be people who try a lot of crazy strategies all the time.. there's hope things will improve even more!
On July 11 2013 05:19 digmouse wrote: I actually stopped taking the PC Bang data seriously after like 2011, South Korea has a stable and developed Internet environment, arguably one of the best in the world, the reason people now play in PC Bang is that they want to play with friends, that's one of the reasons LoL places #1, but with more and more players play at home, plus SC2 isn't really a play-with-your-friends game, it's low presence in PC Bangs is not a surprise. I remember there was a thread talking about a more general video game data in Korea, SC2 is steadily placed in the top 10, the streamer data from Afreeca supports this.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
That's the PC Bang statistics for the month of June from Gametrics.. BW at #6, SC2 at #19
Good news! I'm not sure I like the name 'Green Wings' much though
So they also decided to get two whole LoL squads? Kinda makes it sound like that's what they are most interested in. Not that I know anything at all about how LoL teams work.. Oh wells, money for e-sports is money well spent Hope that this means TY and Argo will now have the backing they need to grow into the beasts they should be.
On July 10 2013 12:36 Cattlecruiser wrote: It feels more like a LoL sponsorship (2 teams) than a Sc2 sponsorship honestly. It is without a doubt that the addition of LoL to SPL/KeSPA was the catalyst to this sponsorship.
Not that I'm not super psyched about T8 getting a sponsorship, but it may not be the savior of sc2 that people think it is.
Well, even if that's the case, isn't it awesome that LoL is helping out SC2 aswell now? That shows us that the full incorporation of LoL into KeSPA will bring good opportunities for SC2, too.
Yes, I never said this isn't a positive step for sc2 division of T8. However, it goes to show how big LoL has gotten compared to Sc2. My fear is that eventually Sc2 will be demoted to Special Forces status or be abandoned altogether by KeSPA. It is hard to say that Sc2 is growing.
Take a harder look. 3rd most played game in PC Bangs. More and more fans showing up to every event, every week. More and more events being broadcasted on TV.
Or, you know, keep your eyes closed if you want.
Does anyone actually have numbers for SC2? I keep hearing SC2 is dead in Korea or that its getting bigger but no one provides the numbers to back it up.
That's the PC Bang statistics for the month of June from Gametrics.. BW at #6, SC2 at #19
Do we know how long Jaedongs contract is with EG, I have a feeling it is like November sometime? I really would like to see him at Dreamhack winter, and if he is on EG still then I feel quite sure he will go. If he is on a KeSPa team again by that time I would not be as confident. Imagine Jaedongs autograph on my HotS gamebox!
On July 11 2013 08:53 juicyjames wrote: I just realized the Jin Air logo has both a butterfly and an airplane. I'm slow.
I just realize it now too, but in fact i think it's quite hard to notice this if you don't pay close attention to it. There is a famous supermarket in france, and most people don't know that the C of Carrefour is in it.
On July 11 2013 08:53 juicyjames wrote: I just realized the Jin Air logo has both a butterfly and an airplane. I'm slow.
I just realize it now too, but in fact i think it's quite hard to notice this if you don't pay close attention to it. There is a famous supermarket in france, and most people don't know that the C of Carrefour is in it.
On July 11 2013 09:14 shin_toss wrote: Hoping JD can be in a 'real' team again ^^v
EG is a real team though. ._. I think Alex has made great strides to make them competitive with all the other crap (i.e. streaming exposure and participating in many events). Would the Jin Air team benefit from having JD back? Surely. Remember all the hype when T8 was first formed? Several people were saying, oh shit. Jaedong actually has a good support cast for once! T8 hwaiting and look what happened. lol It wasn't half as bad as the EG-TL hype train because fewer eyes took notice but oh man was there ever hype when Jaedong, Sea, BaBy, Tyson, Jaehoon and Terminator were banding together. We all know how that turned out. Pretty identical if you ask me.
On July 12 2013 03:09 vorxaw wrote: I must say, PELICAN is an awesome name, imagine getting beat by pelican, humourous images come to mind
How about the Jin Air Geese or Ducks. Yeah, I just went there.
On July 12 2013 03:29 Iplaythings wrote: Boggles my mind you didn't mention Killer but yeah, and there wasn't as many naysayers as there was to Fionns predictions
I could have added Movie as well if I really wanted to, but didn't.
So looks like we have our first new team. Who's the 2nd? or is it just the "two lol teams" which are new? Guessing new sponsors for STX? I had my hopes for LG-IM/MVP joining PL
On July 12 2013 08:16 LighT. wrote: So looks like we have our first new team. Who's the 2nd? or is it just the "two lol teams" which are new? Guessing new sponsors for STX? I had my hopes for LG-IM/MVP joining PL
On July 12 2013 08:16 LighT. wrote: So looks like we have our first new team. Who's the 2nd? or is it just the "two lol teams" which are new? Guessing new sponsors for STX? I had my hopes for LG-IM/MVP joining PL
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