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Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 03:09 GMT
#241
I guess you're right, although I feel that personal bias should be put aside in certain situations.
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 03:12:01
September 02 2013 03:10 GMT
#242
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Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 03:12 GMT
#243
On September 02 2013 12:06 Alejandrisha wrote:

avilo hate propaganda.. what you bmed me the only time i did a playhem daily. i don't dislike you or whatever but i understand they don't like this kind of behavior on stream


Avilo isn't the only streamer/player to have bmed someone. (including featured streamers)
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2013 03:24 GMT
#244
On September 02 2013 12:09 Grouch wrote:
I guess you're right, although I feel that personal bias should be put aside in certain situations.

It's not personal bias, it's a value judgment on if you want to deal with that person at a professional level. Let say some teamless rude, BM filled streamer gets enough views to be featured. They have to make a judgment based on passed experiences on if they want to enter that relationship with the streamer and promote them. Also they have to think how the streamer will respond if they have to remove them later due to poor stream numbers.

Professional judgment is just a form of personal bias.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
September 02 2013 03:24 GMT
#245
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Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 03:25 GMT
#246
On September 02 2013 12:24 Sated wrote:


Featured streamers who are bad mannered tend to be notable enough for it not to matter as much, such as IdrA or NaNiwa.


The case of protech stands out.
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Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 03:30 GMT
#247
On September 02 2013 12:24 Plansix wrote:

It's not personal bias, it's a value judgment on if you want to deal with that person at a professional level. Let say some teamless rude, BM filled streamer gets enough views to be featured. They have to make a judgment based on passed experiences on if they want to enter that relationship with the streamer and promote them. Also they have to think how the streamer will respond if they have to remove them later due to poor stream numbers.

Professional judgment is just a form of personal bias.


"It's not personal bias","Professional judgment is just a form of personal bias" Okay...

"They have to make a judgment based on passed experiences" in this thread [representing present day Avilo the one which they'll be endorsing, since its a link to his stream (a live broadcast)] I have only read mature responses from Avilo.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2013 03:37 GMT
#248
On September 02 2013 12:30 Grouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 12:24 Plansix wrote:

It's not personal bias, it's a value judgment on if you want to deal with that person at a professional level. Let say some teamless rude, BM filled streamer gets enough views to be featured. They have to make a judgment based on passed experiences on if they want to enter that relationship with the streamer and promote them. Also they have to think how the streamer will respond if they have to remove them later due to poor stream numbers.

Professional judgment is just a form of personal bias.


"It's not personal bias","Professional judgment is just a form of personal bias" Okay...

"They have to make a judgment based on passed experiences" in this thread [representing present day Avilo the one which they'll be endorsing, since its a link to his stream (a live broadcast)] I have only read mature responses from Avilo.

I'm not really discussing Avilo. He will get feature or not and its up to the TL staff to discide. If Avilo has given them reason to not feature him, I am sure he is aware. I am just pointing out that vetting featured is not a check box form.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 03:38 GMT
#249
On September 02 2013 12:37 Plansix wrote:
I'm not really discussing Avilo.


Well I am.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2013 03:50 GMT
#250
On September 02 2013 12:38 Grouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 12:37 Plansix wrote:
I'm not really discussing Avilo.


Well I am.

Well I don't know his real stream numbers or his real relationship with the TL staff. I can say that posting in the thread about not being featured is not the most professional way to go about contacting them to see if he makes the cut. But at the end of the day, that is between TL and Avilo. Fans can say they would like him featured, which is helpful for him. But we really don't know what his relationship is with the TL staff as a whole.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 03:55 GMT
#251
On September 02 2013 12:50 Plansix wrote:
Well I don't know his real stream numbers or his real relationship with the TL staff. I can say that posting in the thread about not being featured is not the most professional way to go about contacting them to see if he makes the cut. But at the end of the day, that is between TL and Avilo. Fans can say they would like him featured, which is helpful for him. But we really don't know what his relationship is with the TL staff as a whole.


On the topic of viewers, at this time he is surpassing 3 featured SC2 streams; two in the StarCraft 2 tab, and one in the Other Notable Streams tab.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 04:05:30
September 02 2013 04:00 GMT
#252
On September 02 2013 12:55 Grouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 12:50 Plansix wrote:
Well I don't know his real stream numbers or his real relationship with the TL staff. I can say that posting in the thread about not being featured is not the most professional way to go about contacting them to see if he makes the cut. But at the end of the day, that is between TL and Avilo. Fans can say they would like him featured, which is helpful for him. But we really don't know what his relationship is with the TL staff as a whole.


On the topic of viewers, at this time he is surpassing 3 featured SC2 streams; two in the StarCraft 2 tab, and one in the Other Notable Streams tab.

Which means nothing. Its not a numbers game. One of those players is a professional player. The other is a premier caster. The only one you could make an argument for is Painuser, but he has previous relationships with TL through inside the game and IPL.

Once again, he will either get featured or he won't. Comparing the current stream numbers isn't going to prove anything, since it about average stream numbers.

Shit: 1,0000. I have become one with the internet.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
September 02 2013 04:02 GMT
#253
On September 02 2013 13:00 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 12:55 Grouch wrote:
On September 02 2013 12:50 Plansix wrote:
Well I don't know his real stream numbers or his real relationship with the TL staff. I can say that posting in the thread about not being featured is not the most professional way to go about contacting them to see if he makes the cut. But at the end of the day, that is between TL and Avilo. Fans can say they would like him featured, which is helpful for him. But we really don't know what his relationship is with the TL staff as a whole.


On the topic of viewers, at this time he is surpassing 3 featured SC2 streams; two in the StarCraft 2 tab, and one in the Other Notable Streams tab.

Which means nothing. Its not a numbers game. One of those players is a professional player. The other is a premier caster. The only one you could make an argument for is Painuser, but he has previous relationships with TL through inside the game and IPL.

Once again, he will either get featured or he won't. Comparing the current stream numbers isn't going to prove anything, since it about average stream numbers.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427676
To point this out, he isn't exactly a winner in the stream numbers count either.

As for pure numbers, who's this Trump guy and how does he have 4k viewers? See the problem with this argument?
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 04:03 GMT
#254
I'm just putting those things out there. But I would consider protech and state to both be professional players.
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Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 04:04 GMT
#255
I dont really know where you got premier caster from seeing as I put one player from the Other Notable Streams tab.
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Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 04:04 GMT
#256
10000 posts btw, gz
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2013 04:05 GMT
#257
On September 02 2013 13:04 Grouch wrote:
I dont really know where you got premier caster from seeing as I put one player from the Other Notable Streams tab.

He had higher numbers than ROOTerdaM when you posted. That has since changed.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
September 02 2013 04:07 GMT
#258
Hope I can 1 day make the list ^^
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 04:09 GMT
#259
Grand grant, like blitzs friend?
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Grouch
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada152 Posts
September 02 2013 04:14 GMT
#260
On September 02 2013 13:05 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 13:04 Grouch wrote:
I dont really know where you got premier caster from seeing as I put one player from the Other Notable Streams tab.

He had higher numbers than ROOTerdaM when you posted. That has since changed.


Nice discussion by the way, I enjoyed it.
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