Evil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields - Page 98

Dyscreet

United States10 Posts

May 10 2013 03:28 GMT

#1941

While I can understand to some extent this decision, I can also say that EG would not be what it is without IdrA. A suspension would have been much more reasonable in this case. Love him or hate him, he brought personality to a game that is so damn conventional and pretty bland upon watching. Talking trash is part of what makes things fun and brings more depth to the game. You see this all the time in professional sports. Without the individual personalities of the players it's popularity would be severely diminished. Having all sorts of kind of people in one activity who are all expected to adhere to strict guidelines claiming "professionalism" is just another way of discouraging enjoyment from a wide audience and player base.

I think it was not only a poor decision to release IdrA, but also an unwise business proposition. People need to be reminded that there are actual players behind the monitor.

nvs.

Canada3609 Posts

May 10 2013 03:28 GMT

#1942

A very deserved release.

bigbadgreen

United States142 Posts

May 10 2013 03:28 GMT

#1943

There has to be something else going on that we don't know about. For EG to release him like that makes no sense. we may never find out the true reasons. You could see a breeding of negativity with him over the past couple of years which can be pretty destructive. I don't agree with what he said %100 but I can understand where it comes from. A lot of people in the "community" go on witch hunts, and go overboard on a lot of things. There is a lot of immaturity in the community because the majority of players and target audience are so young. It doesn't help that Idras personality or persona or whatever you want to call it is so polarizing. Every body has an opinion on him. While i do not believe he handled a lot of situations in the best way I can only imagine what kind of things he was constantly dealing with. What kinds of emails/tweets/forum posts was he dealing with on a constant basis. He wasn't handling a lot of it correctly but I can see where his view of the community might be skewed in a negative way.
I wish both EG and Idra the best. I'll still follow EG and hopefully idra. If he wants the opportunity another team will pick him up.

Moa

United States790 Posts

May 10 2013 03:29 GMT

#1944

On May 10 2013 12:15 Lysenko wrote:

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Incontrol did mention on SOTG that they were going to offer him some kind of severance agreement to try to help ease his transition into whatever he does next, so I'd interpret that to mean that Alex and company do care.

They probably had a contract and it is cancelled by his release which means he gets some sort of compensation for them breaking the contract. Obviously I'm speculating but I believe that is how it works.

-Kaiser-

Canada932 Posts

May 10 2013 03:29 GMT

#1945

Reality check. Welcome to the real world, Greg.

TheGuru383

United States3 Posts

May 10 2013 03:29 GMT

#1946

On May 10 2013 12:19 ETisME wrote:
To be honest, from the amount of hate that this guy gets, it's not surprising to see him posting BM comments to the community, just check the stream chat and TL threads when he plays. People almost tuned in just to make hate messages about him and calls him crap.
GL idra and have a good future.

You said it! This is all extremely true.

laoji

United Kingdom382 Posts

May 10 2013 03:30 GMT

#1947

If he bit the hand that fed him one too many times then it is only himself to blame and people shouldn't judge EG because of it.

skatblast

United States784 Posts

May 10 2013 03:30 GMT

#1948

On May 10 2013 11:57 StarStruck wrote:

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Even if a player has good mechanics there's a whole lot more to it. Like your star sense and being able to keep your composure under pressure.

Thats what i meant by new and improved, including attitude.

Sokrates

738 Posts

May 10 2013 03:31 GMT

#1949

On May 10 2013 12:22 TheExile19 wrote:

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On May 10 2013 12:15 Sokrates wrote:

On May 10 2013 11:59 TheExile19 wrote:

On May 10 2013 11:56 LuckyFool wrote:

There's a big difference here I feel important to comment on. You can't allow your anger to constantly affect your performance either in a game of starcraft or a NASCAR race.

Players get mad after games/races or any competitions all the time. You won't see Kurt Busch parking his car halfway through a race because a couple guys pass him. He'll carry on and try his best because he has fans watching and rooting for him, sponsors to please and an obligation to try his best since he works in an entertainment industry. IdrA on the other hand gets upset in games to a point where he disregards any form of professionalism and quite frankly allows his anger to impede on his performance which is going to get you nowhere fast in any industry, entertainment or not.

I'm requoting this because it's an excellent point/rebuttal

On May 10 2013 11:57 Sokrates wrote:

And now here we have the hypocrisy, people don not only care about results otherwise there would be little money in the foreign scence at all. People care about storylines but then say "he doesnt have to results to back up his behaviour".
Same is true for you, you say you only care about results and barely for the NA scene at all, but everytime a "mediocre" player fucks up you are there to grab your pitchfork. Why would you even care at all? Because you are the same dramaqueen that i am yet you are in denial.

- I didn't say people do only care about results, only that they should heavily be taken into account before mythologizing mediocre players. it's not a contradiction of my viewpoint at all to say that I don't get the interest in the NA scene, exactly because of that lack of results.

- have you considered that I enjoy these sorts of threads because I enjoy speaking truth to dumb? please consider how you factor in both of the threads that applies to. I also enjoy helping a good and angry mob throw torches at assholes, which, again, idra and destiny sitting in a tree.

edit: dude, there's a lot more I could go into here, but do you not see any difference between being interested in the narrative of an angry, childish man's success and the narrative of his fall? it's a victory for everyone but idra and his fanbase, which is by far the minority in 2013.

That is basically what i said? Thanks for proven my point by admitting it yourself.
That is what is wrong with this community, people like you enjoy it way to much being a part of an angry mob and throw torches. Basically you arent any better than the persons you throw torches at, acutally you are even worse because you only feel strong when there is a big mob throwing torches at a single person when you are anonymous and dont have to face consequenzes itself. Out for the drama to grab pitchforks. So what exactly is wrong with my post here when you legitimate it by your own words. Hilarous. Prime example for the community being toxic.

the fact that it's all ad hominem generalization, at least for this one...

it's not being a drama queen to participate in a hotly debated topic of discussion. it is being a drama queen to only watch a player for their chances at generating drama, which I occasionally have done and I'm not going to just condemn it out of hand all the time. the problem is when no sufficient arguments exist to support a player other than as a drama factory or just to offer irrational, fanboy support; I really don't care about either of these, but when you make godawful ad hominem arguments and arguments based solely on anecdotal opinion for the sole purpose of defending people who don't even care about you...I don't suppose I'll ever understand.

I'm also done responding to you for now, because your method of debate is obnoxious.

Sry but i just used your OWN words, i didnt make any assumtions. You said it yourself, god damn it.
You said you enjoy an angry mob throwing torches at people you dont like. How the fuck does it not prove my point i said over 1 year ago and am still saying now. There is also a difference between "not supporting" somebody and actively bringing them down. If you dont support anyone because you dont like them, feel free to not open their stream or anything related to them, instead of grabbing your pitchforks because you enjoy drama so much. I m not defending a particular player i m against the witchhunting of the community itself as i said a million times. I would even defend players i dislike a lot if this occurs. And i dont give a fuck if a player cares about me as long as i m entertained. And i dont give a fuck about people not supporting players they dont like, but i give a fuck when people like you are just sharpening their pitchforks and hoping that the next witchhunt is happening soon.

You dont have any reasoning at all, to sum up your point of view "it is ok to throw torches at people i dont like because i m right and you are dumb." lol

Prophanity

United States165 Posts

May 10 2013 03:32 GMT

#1950

As a fellow Michigander, I've always tried very hard to support Idra. I even turn my head when he trash talks the people that make his way of life possible. I can't say I disagree at all with this decision though I hope that this is merely a setback for him. I hope he gets his act together; perhaps one day he will rejoin EG.

In the meantime, good going. A difficult move, to be sure, but one can't allow one's business to be held hostage by one rogue personality.

ElMeanYo

United States1032 Posts

May 10 2013 03:32 GMT

#1951

Well Greg I did watch your stream quite a few times, because you are a Zerg, and I'm a Zerg.

However it was painful to see how badly you treat people, in games, stream chat and on TL. Your whole attitude exudes your dislike for people. As much as I enjoy SC as my past-time, ultimately there is nothing more important in this life than how you treat other people. Hopefully you will grow up someday and realize this.

As for EG, they will survive and thrive. They have other great and popular players like Stephano, JD, DeMu and others. Alex seems to be a savvy CEO. I think this was the straw that broke the camels back (so to say) and it was the right decision.

Thats my 2 cents.

r_con

United States824 Posts

May 10 2013 03:33 GMT

#1952

so why was he released? he still seemed profitable... right? not enough information and im not looking through 98 pages of shit

nvs.

Canada3609 Posts

May 10 2013 03:33 GMT

#1953

i dont give a fuck if a player cares about me as long as i m entertained

Are you not entertained!!!

Seriously, you can still be "entertained" by Idra, he just won't be insulting the world under the EG tag anymore. Get over it.

Fake)Plants

United States373 Posts

May 10 2013 03:34 GMT

#1954

IdrA is possibly the best example of how short-term and judgmental our community can be at the same time. I don't know what this release will mean for his career, but let us not forget how he made us feel back when he was a top player. I know he won't read this comment, but GL in your future endeavors grack.

MattD

United Kingdom83 Posts

May 10 2013 03:34 GMT

#1955

He was trending on twitter, i can't think of another player that could have that kind of impact, not even stephano or naniwa.

BreAKerTV

Taiwan1658 Posts

May 10 2013 03:34 GMT

#1956

On May 10 2013 12:23 Kim Hyuna wrote:
This thread needs IdrA's reply to be completed.

He was banned from teamliquid.net a couple days ago.

Whatson

United States5356 Posts

May 10 2013 03:34 GMT

#1957

On May 10 2013 12:33 r_con wrote:
so why was he released? he still seemed profitable... right? not enough information and im not looking through 98 pages of shit

Sometimes, public image is more important than profit.
And yes, EG did try to help IdrA, for a long time now, but it obviously hadn't been working.

dddoushio

81 Posts

May 10 2013 03:35 GMT

#1958

On May 10 2013 12:28 Dyscreet wrote:
Love him or hate him, he brought personality to a game that is so damn conventional and pretty bland upon watching.

If you don't like this game and you can't fucking watch it without your precious "storylines" and ridiculous, over-the-top esports drama then maybe you should leave. You know, so the people who are actually passionate about SC2 can discuss it without you mouth-breathing morons creaming yourselves over the most recent twitter controversy caused by some irrelevant, washed up foreigner who never actually accomplished anything of note.

User was temp banned for this post.

TanKLoveR

Venezuela838 Posts

May 10 2013 03:36 GMT

#1959

About damn time they stop paying this guy all that money to do nothing, all these years he sat there cashing his checks based only on his popularity. For some reason I guess people find players who act like a-holes FUN, "oh Idra you left the game again after losing a drone you so funny" T_T. It isn't funny it's a really poor performance and it shows he has NO class or sportsmanship at all, main reason why I never liked the guy. I was glad to see that for the last while when I bothered coming here I would see Demuslim's stream having 9-10k viewers and Idra having so few compared to that, player with no class and no intent of actually improving because he's always whining about balance deserve no views while people like Demuslim are actively trying to improve and show good sportsmanship actually does.

Good job EG, you have plenty of money and you'll survive getting rid of this guy. Nothing of value was lost after all.