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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
April 24 2013 03:44 GMT
#201
Never understood what JP's role on the show was, gonna watch this though. More strategy, more metagaming - always great. Not sure about the title though...
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 24 2013 03:44 GMT
#202
On April 24 2013 12:41 gosuRabbit wrote:
yeah i don't support this. Artosis seems to have really fucked over JP. I mean this show is Identical to SOTG. It has the same hosts, the same setup, the same look. I mean wtf.

won't be watching


Nice try, JP.


Awesome show! Can't wait for more!
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Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 03:45:38
April 24 2013 03:45 GMT
#203
On April 24 2013 12:41 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
Artosis just said he has disagreements about the direction of where SOTG was going and wanted to do his own thing.

*shrug*


I can appreciate that. If SotG is going to continue but with a more news discussion angle and this one with a more metagame (for lack of less obvious wording) angle, I can still see both existing just fine.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
April 24 2013 03:45 GMT
#204
I like the direction of the show but the JP situation is kinda ... weird.
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
April 24 2013 03:45 GMT
#205
Thank you sooo much artosis! Finally talk about ingame stuff again instead of drama and predictions, with great hosts, absolutely awesome
BaltA
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Norway849 Posts
April 24 2013 03:45 GMT
#206
Great show
Keldrath
Profile Joined July 2010
United States449 Posts
April 24 2013 03:45 GMT
#207
Cool first episode, went really well.

I liked it, something nice to look forward to along with other shows like sotg. More content always better.
If you want peace... prepare for war.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
April 24 2013 03:46 GMT
#208
On April 24 2013 12:45 Oiseaux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 12:41 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
Artosis just said he has disagreements about the direction of where SOTG was going and wanted to do his own thing.

*shrug*


I can appreciate that. If SotG is going to continue but with a more news discussion angle and this one with a more metagame (for lack of less obvious wording) angle, I can still see both existing just fine.


Is there really enough news in the eSports/SC scene to fill a show though?
Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
April 24 2013 03:46 GMT
#209
On April 24 2013 12:34 jcroisdale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 12:33 Bear4188 wrote:
I can't imagine Artosis as a host is going to work out over the long run. Artosis is a smart guy, very knowledgeable about Starcraft and an excellent caster, but he's no host. A host needs to set the guests up with a question and then back out while they have a conversation, prompting it along if necessary. In all the years I've watched Artosis in casts and on shows I've never seen anything to suggest that he'd be good in that role. JP is good at it, Day[9] is really good at it as well. Artosis is going to want to have his say in every topic and that's just not appropriate for a host.


I don't think he is acting as a host, he is the protoss high level player on the show.


Who also happens to be the host... Bear4188's point is valid.

About the transitions between showing single-person cams:

Don't change them to a single person every five seconds. Don't make it go on just one person unless they will be talking for a bit. You frequently changed it to the single-person cam and seemed to be playing around with it at inappropriate times which was distracting. Don't change it to yourself when you don't even intend on saying 10 words. I don't think it should be used except at times such as when someone is choosing players to get out of groups and their reasoning for choosing these players.

The transition itself is too in-your-face for the frequent use it is getting.
sdecker32
Profile Joined April 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 03:48:32
April 24 2013 03:46 GMT
#210
watched it, very glad that there will be a show focusing on actually sc2 gameplay. I enjoy SOTG, but it certainly can have a bit of a high school vibe at times(which is of course what a lot of people like-nothing wrong with that). If I want to hear people talk about the scene in general, tournaments, sponsorships, or opinions on e-sports in general, I will check out the most recent SOTG. However, I am glad there is a high quality show that focuses exclusively on strategy with charismatic characters.

edit: also, re: artosis being a good host, i am sure that over a couple of months he will get the hang of hosting alongside being a active discussion participant.
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
April 24 2013 03:47 GMT
#211
On April 24 2013 12:14 StaraCroft wrote:

Not so sure about their relation to ITG, but what Artosis is doing is he is taking all the work JP has built on and he's trying to steal an entire viewerbase.


Artosis does not need to steak a viewerbase from anyone.

Personally I think it would be great if Meta became 80%+ game talk and SotG became 80%+ news talk and ITG was 80%+ hype and comedy and The Pulse can jump to whatever the big topic of the week is.
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
April 24 2013 03:47 GMT
#212
good show! I don't think anyone should criticize until JP criticizes. We don't know any details about the situation so chill and enjoy. Always loved artosis' commentary and analysis. loving the show!
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AstroPegnuin
Profile Joined November 2012
293 Posts
April 24 2013 03:47 GMT
#213
I get such a bad vibe after watching this and all I can think of is that this show is pretty much a huge FU to jp...

i just hope JP can get some suitable hosts for SOTG and keep it going (hopefully Incontrol will become a pillar once again)
Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
April 24 2013 03:48 GMT
#214
Well I guess Artosis was referring to maybe how SotG deals with more community news and drama with less of a focus on the actual game and balance. I still think there is too much overlap. If they just want to talk about the meta-game and strategies, they should do just that. Since they're all active players, maybe per week, they all pick out a trending style, the "in" build like the 7:30 DT drop play, and they do a thorough analysis of the games that popularized it and the build's weaknesses, strengths, and the potential shifts it will cause. They kind of did that in regards to hellbats in this episode. But, a large portion of the episode was essentially identical to what SotG covers. They went over the current tournaments, the results, and their opinions and predictions. They also touched on the WCS NA disaster.

Seriously, what is SotG supposed to do now? Invite the same guests and have the exact same conversation?
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
April 24 2013 03:49 GMT
#215
On April 24 2013 12:46 Chaggi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 12:45 Oiseaux wrote:
On April 24 2013 12:41 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
Artosis just said he has disagreements about the direction of where SOTG was going and wanted to do his own thing.

*shrug*


I can appreciate that. If SotG is going to continue but with a more news discussion angle and this one with a more metagame (for lack of less obvious wording) angle, I can still see both existing just fine.


Is there really enough news in the eSports/SC scene to fill a show though?


I'd say sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. Last year for sure there was due to the mass amount of tournament. This week for sure due to, well, I'd hope most people on these forums would know why. But I definitely see it being more problematic. Maybe something more appropriate for LO3 (although with LO3 sometimes 2hrs just simply isn't enough to do what they want to achieve).
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
April 24 2013 03:49 GMT
#216
On April 24 2013 12:44 Whoranzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 12:42 jcroisdale wrote:
Also will anyone who was on this show not be on SOTG anymore?

Personally I can't really see that working out to be honest - they essentially covered everything sotg usually covers and I can't see a situation working with these hosts like the one you had with itg and sotg.


Then this does not make any sense. Artosis definitely has more business sense then to do this. The similarities between the shows are insane, Artosis should of known there would be a lot of criticism and outcry from the community.

This also brings the question of the 3 other people on the show. If they gave up SOTG for Meta, I wonder what they got in return. Maybe this was simply a money issue.

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j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
April 24 2013 03:49 GMT
#217
We dont know yet about JP, but aside from that, the show is pretty much like SOTG, I like Artosis and i like the show !
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JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 03:52:28
April 24 2013 03:50 GMT
#218
I find it hilarious how all of a sudden nobody cares about wanting to hear discussion about news or tournaments....they want "state of the game" talk. When you look back on the history of SOTG, what are the moments that everyone points out as being their favourites or the most memorable? As far as I know those moments would be stuff like Boris' call on the drunk show, Sharktosis, Dan going off about treatment of casters at tournaments. Basically what I'm saying is that all the great memories people have about SOTG usually have nothing to do with discussion of the actual game itself, yet for some reason there's no value in talking about things that are not game specific.

Also have people not been watching SOTG since the beginning of this year? There has been a shitload of talk about the metagame, strategies, balance, etc.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 04:00:55
April 24 2013 03:51 GMT
#219
nevermind. we'll see what happens.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
April 24 2013 03:51 GMT
#220
On April 24 2013 12:44 recklessfire wrote:
It's one thing to make your own show about starcraft strategy, but its almost an exact replica of sotg and it feels like it was literally stolen. If JP gives this show his blessing, then ill give it ago, but other than that, ill continue to watch sotg for my strategy fix.


It's just so extremely lazy. I had huge amounts of respect for Artosis. I've never been a huge fan of Tasteless because I always felt that he would phone it in a good chunk of the time(not a huge fan of the off-topic conversations during casts). Artosis would always be the one to steer things back towards the game and you could see he took it incredibly serious. With this move all that respect is literally out the window. I have no problem with him feeling that SoTG wasn't his thing and he wanted to go do his own. But to do what he did and literally just take the folks from SoTG(minus JP of course) and transplant them to Meta is absolutely horrible.

Doesn't matter to me if JP is ok or not with it. ITG at least built it around their own hosts/guests. The same with Pulse. The same with 2GD. Yet this is literally a carbon copy. Artosis could've asked anyone and they more than likely would've shown up and yet he takes the laziest path. So much potential squandered because he decided to take the easy way while completely screwing someone else in the process.

You gotta wonder what is going through his mind doing this.
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