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iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
March 11 2013 21:18 GMT
#3621
On March 12 2013 06:17 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Did HOTS improve PvP?

Yes.
Heinsenzerg
Profile Joined September 2011
Argentina2279 Posts
March 11 2013 21:18 GMT
#3622
finals bo3?
rj91
Profile Joined February 2012
Spain29 Posts
March 11 2013 21:18 GMT
#3623
PvP final, nerf toss go go
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DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
March 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#3624
On March 12 2013 06:17 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Did HOTS improve PvP?


dunno about improved, but changed it. mothership core, oracles, so yeah changed it
faiza
Profile Joined June 2012
United States451 Posts
March 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#3625
Going to be a hard time to be a Lucifron fan until he learns how to play HotS. T_T
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
March 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#3626
so no TvZ?
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
March 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#3627
On March 12 2013 06:18 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 06:17 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Did HOTS improve PvP?

All about the VRs!


up to date as never before
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
March 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#3628
PvP imo has been improved a fair bit so I'm not even that disappointed that the other races were knocked out
BigAsia
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada451 Posts
March 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#3629
On March 12 2013 06:17 dani` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 06:15 BigAsia wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:14 Belha wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:13 scypio wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:11 Exarl25 wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:10 scypio wrote:
Toss seems to have so many aggressive openings in hots and Terrans early game looks more pitiful then ever... if this goes on like this I will switch to toss for sure


Are you crazy? Have you not seen the shit Terran can do with Widow Mines and Speedivacs? It's Protoss that are having a tough time early game in that matchup right now.


These things come in way too late, Toss seems to have a number of things that hit faster and harder.

Please say one besides proxy oracle. And btw, defending proxy oracle can be figured out ez pz. Mine and speedvacs are solid, and lethal in korean hands.


Not that I agree with the OP but blink stalker on certain maps is basically impossible to hold if u 1 rax Fe

Blink got nerfed another 30 seconds it takes 170 seconds IIRC. Also MsC has no detection anymore so 1 Widow Mine basically holds it. Well a couple.


It got nerfed again? I know it got nerfed during the beta patches but it still came faster and with more stalkers cuz u didn't need obs. But if they nerfed it again then yeah, I can see people holding it off.
YOLO
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
March 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#3630
If they wont build any voidray in the final it will be a balanced unit.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
March 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#3631
PvP is actually worse than it was in WoL. But I was a huge fan of WoL PvP so maybe not everyone will agree. Void Rays being so strong has really fucked up the matchup.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#3632
Ya for sure
Ya for sure
Ya for sure

I chuckle every time I hear it
NeuroNiky
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy38 Posts
March 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#3633
I see this as a mind games victory from White-Ra, he saw that Lucifron was far more tense than him and less than perfectly prepared to deal with early pressure and sealed the match by grabbing his throat from the beginning to the end of the game.
Well done indeed. You don't mess with the Beast.
White Ra makes me wanna play Protoss...
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
March 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#3634
Void rays and oracles are decent!(collossus is still king) 1base all ins are more powerful thanks to mothership core. What more do we want from a pvp?
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Ksquared
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1748 Posts
March 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#3635
White Ra Grubby finals? Oh god yes
eSports for life.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
March 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#3636
On March 12 2013 06:14 Belha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 06:13 scypio wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:11 Exarl25 wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:10 scypio wrote:
Toss seems to have so many aggressive openings in hots and Terrans early game looks more pitiful then ever... if this goes on like this I will switch to toss for sure


Are you crazy? Have you not seen the shit Terran can do with Widow Mines and Speedivacs? It's Protoss that are having a tough time early game in that matchup right now.


These things come in way too late, Toss seems to have a number of things that hit faster and harder.

Please say one besides proxy oracle. And btw, defending proxy oracle can be figured out ez pz. Mine and speedvacs are solid, and lethal in korean hands.


Well - I'd mix in a number of gateway + mothership core timings, more affordable DTs, classic 1-base robo all-ins, zealot archon etc. I don't know how strong they would be in korean hands but I think that I will be able to do much more with them than with the funky widow mine timings.

I just don't like the idea of burrowing a mine and than praying "come this way and don't split your units please!".
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-11 21:23:15
March 11 2013 21:21 GMT
#3637
On March 12 2013 06:20 BigAsia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 06:17 dani` wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:15 BigAsia wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:14 Belha wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:13 scypio wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:11 Exarl25 wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:10 scypio wrote:
Toss seems to have so many aggressive openings in hots and Terrans early game looks more pitiful then ever... if this goes on like this I will switch to toss for sure


Are you crazy? Have you not seen the shit Terran can do with Widow Mines and Speedivacs? It's Protoss that are having a tough time early game in that matchup right now.


These things come in way too late, Toss seems to have a number of things that hit faster and harder.

Please say one besides proxy oracle. And btw, defending proxy oracle can be figured out ez pz. Mine and speedvacs are solid, and lethal in korean hands.


Not that I agree with the OP but blink stalker on certain maps is basically impossible to hold if u 1 rax Fe

Blink got nerfed another 30 seconds it takes 170 seconds IIRC. Also MsC has no detection anymore so 1 Widow Mine basically holds it. Well a couple.


It got nerfed again? I know it got nerfed during the beta patches but it still came faster and with more stalkers cuz u didn't need obs. But if they nerfed it again then yeah, I can see people holding it off.

Well I meant the nerf they got in HotS. In WoL at some point it was nerfed 30 sec as well I think. But regardless I'm fairly certain it's now 170 seconds which is super long (Stim is what, 110?).

Actually Stim also seems to be 170, thus equally super long
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
March 11 2013 21:21 GMT
#3638
On March 12 2013 06:20 BigAsia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 06:17 dani` wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:15 BigAsia wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:14 Belha wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:13 scypio wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:11 Exarl25 wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:10 scypio wrote:
Toss seems to have so many aggressive openings in hots and Terrans early game looks more pitiful then ever... if this goes on like this I will switch to toss for sure


Are you crazy? Have you not seen the shit Terran can do with Widow Mines and Speedivacs? It's Protoss that are having a tough time early game in that matchup right now.


These things come in way too late, Toss seems to have a number of things that hit faster and harder.

Please say one besides proxy oracle. And btw, defending proxy oracle can be figured out ez pz. Mine and speedvacs are solid, and lethal in korean hands.


Not that I agree with the OP but blink stalker on certain maps is basically impossible to hold if u 1 rax Fe

Blink got nerfed another 30 seconds it takes 170 seconds IIRC. Also MsC has no detection anymore so 1 Widow Mine basically holds it. Well a couple.


It got nerfed again? I know it got nerfed during the beta patches but it still came faster and with more stalkers cuz u didn't need obs. But if they nerfed it again then yeah, I can see people holding it off.


yeah it got nerfed caus blink+ msc was too hard to hold, (think primarily against terran)
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
March 11 2013 21:21 GMT
#3639
On March 12 2013 06:20 Exarl25 wrote:
PvP is actually worse than it was in WoL. But I was a huge fan of WoL PvP so maybe not everyone will agree. Void Rays being so strong has really fucked up the matchup.

the early game is fucked up imo
ProbeEtPylon
Profile Joined October 2010
168 Posts
March 11 2013 21:21 GMT
#3640
At the start of the beta, people seemed rather disappointed. Did Blizz patch HotS successfully? Did the opinion of the players change?
beer
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