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On March 08 2013 15:33 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Seems that you ran out of arguments or something.
I am not very familiar with koreans school system, but according to pro gamers total inability to speak any coherent english I have to assume that korean basic education teaches no english, otherwise they would not need english translators.
They do study english but consider the following: They use hangul and have to learn a totally different set of characters; they have to study a language where half of the phonetics are totally new for them (since there's no V or F in Korean for example). Have you tried learning Korean, Chinese, Japanese, or Arabic for example? And what's so wrong about being culturally diverse.
Btw, they are super friendly, and actually it's very hard for one to speak Korean here, because all they do is trying to practice their English with you since you are a foreigner.
If something, it's not Korea who is isolated but more like the world hasn't really "discovered" them as much as China or Japan for example. But just because those have more exposure (and that's why you also have these weird ideas about them) doesn't necessarily mean that this country is secluded at all.
Try to be a bit more open minded.
On topic: Thanks Seeker, WOONGJIN HWAITING!!
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On March 08 2013 15:43 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Understanable, but it does not quiet hold water because no pro gamers from other nationalities need translators to this extent or at all.
I don't think Chinese pros are too fluent in English either. I don't think you can really compare EU to Asian countries in terms of English. It is just not as common place in Asian countries as it is in EU(except for places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, etc). In 50 years, you will see Asians wonder why those EU people don't know how to speak Chinese.
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Yeah, but the question was whats the ultimate reason for their bad english skills. You said that they have to learn different alphabets and some new phonetics, which can be major reason. But still, something just doesnt click here. What is the quality of their basic english education? Like are the teachers not even good at english?
For an example, here in Finland even 16 year old students already have quiet good grasp of both written and spoken english which is lightyears away from koreans.
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Almost all koreans have a really good grasp of reading and writing English. A lot of college level Koreans are even better than any other country at English writing tests since they are forced to study the structure and grammar at very deep level compared to education in most other countries. However, Korean schools do not really emphasize speaking ability or listening all that much. Those skills are mostly learned at tutor school if you want to go beyond school's requirements. Most don't care much for putting the effort towards it because they will never need the skill set.
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What I have seen koreans here in teamliquid, their written english is just bad.
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On March 08 2013 16:22 Colpan wrote:
Almost all koreans have a really good grasp of reading and writing English. A lot of college level Koreans are even better than any other country at English writing tests since they are forced to study the structure and grammar at very deep level compared to education in most other countries. However, Korean schools do not really emphasize speaking ability or listening all that much. Those skills are mostly learned at tutor school if you want to go beyond school's requirements. Most don't care much for putting the effort towards it because they will never need the skill set.
This. But you overrate their reading and writing ability. They may get good grades while at school but since they never use the language outside school they never become fluent in it. While I lived in Japan I have met a ton of Koreans (they're literally everywhere) but only one of them could speak and understand some English (and she wasn't that good either)! But it's exactly the same with Japanese. Some try to converse with foreigners but most are just too shy to even try. If you never practice the language you'll never become fluent in it. Period. There's little use for English in a country like Korea once you leave school.
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Can we get back on track guys? Like talking about this historic Up/Down Group? Imagine if Rain would have played.
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On March 08 2013 15:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Yeah, but the question was whats the ultimate reason for their bad english skills. You said that they have to learn different alphabets and some new phonetics, which can be major reason. But still, something just doesnt click here. What is the quality of their basic english education? Like are the teachers not even good at english?
For an example, here in Finland even 16 year old students already have quiet good grasp of both written and spoken english which is lightyears away from koreans.
Why don't you speak Korean then? Give you 10 years to learn Korean or Chinese in Finland, I doubt you will be fluent in either one. Asian and EU languages are too different from each other.
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I'm happy to see MajOr getting a shoutout.
I can't wait to see how he has improved.
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Nice shoutout to MajOr :D
Also, whats with the guy complaining that people living in another country don't speak English? >_>
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Yeah, guys. What a horrible horrible derailing of a thread LOL.
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EPT
