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Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
March 06 2013 21:35 GMT
#21
On March 07 2013 05:00 graNite wrote:
thank god they will fix the blizz time issue at one time...

Show nested quote +
What happened to changing the game clock from Blizzard Time to Real Time?

Show nested quote +
This turned out to be more complicated than we thought. We will get to this down the road. We understand why this is important


You will have to take into consideration build times though. It's not just about the timer in the corner of the screen and the APM calculation. If we were to translate the build times direction to normal time, you would get numbers with decimals. A drone's build time in normal time would be 23.63 seconds, instead of the nice and even 17 seconds.

They obviously can't just change the build times to be more even after they changed the blizzard time to regular time, because that would actually affect balance.

It is a harder issue than most people give credit for.
fraGGer
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom51 Posts
March 06 2013 21:50 GMT
#22
No it's not. They round up or down as appropriate and then see if it's messed with the balance and put future changes through on that basis. Yeah it takes a patch or 2 but again something they could have easily done with the beta. You've picked one of the fastest building things in the game as your example so yeah a pro probably would notice the 0.4 of a second difference if rounded up to 24 secs, but on eg a bunker or a rax or whatever I doubt it would matter.
Aleteh
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark166 Posts
March 06 2013 21:50 GMT
#23
Would've loved to get my question answered, but meh. Imagine Blizzard buying the IPL assets making a better LCS like sc2 tournament... i want!
The Tyrant
PineapplePizza
Profile Joined June 2010
United States749 Posts
March 06 2013 21:51 GMT
#24
On March 07 2013 06:29 Gosi wrote:
You can tell that Dustin Browder has been in the business for a long time because he is master dodger on the questions that question the bad actions on game and unit design.

Does anyone actually get fooled by the positive "we are looking into that!" and the smiles at the end of every answer? My favorite was the one about the resource management and he says how they can't fix any of that because of the beta and how they would have to rebalance the whole game. Like are you fucking kidding me? You have had at least a year to think about it and wouldn't a beta be the perfect ground to tweak this stuff together with unit balance?


This scares the hell out of me. Changes like this are what will keep the game from fading away completely 2 years after LotV, and it's impossible to tell whether or not they're taking the idea seriously. I don't know if they're going to give this the high-ground treatment, where they come back to us after it's 'too late' to make changes, and say "Hey, we didn't like the RNG, and couldn't be bothered to find a solution, so fuck off"
"There should be no tying a sharp, hard object to your cock like it has a mechanical arm and hitting it with the object or using your cockring to crack the egg. No cyborg penises allowed. 100% flesh only." - semioldguy
nerak
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Brazil256 Posts
March 06 2013 21:54 GMT
#25
I liked the AMA. They were warm. Didn't dwell as much in detail as the D3 crew had.

But someone should teach Blizzard what does "A M A' stands for. I know that's not how it works with companies, there's a lot they just can't say, or that they better not say or they would create an unfounded hype. But the freaking name is Ask Me Anything.

They did not say they never heard about the economic problems. What Browder said is that he never read it so finely explained before. Which is still something I can't believe. Of course Browder doesn't have the time to read everything's on TL, but the community managers should be aware enough of the big enough discussion there is around this.

But I think if there ever was a time to talk FRB, SC 2 Broodwar and other economic models in official Blizz forums and Reddit, this time is now.
"I am smiling" - Marauder Dynamite
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
March 06 2013 23:00 GMT
#26
Were there any answers that could be labeled as headline news?
I'm Quotable (IQ)
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
March 06 2013 23:14 GMT
#27
On March 07 2013 05:14 Qikz wrote:
Surely the whole economy thing would be counteracted by having less minerals at each bases on maps?


I put a bit more detail on the AMA thread, but just reducing the amount of resources per base addresses only a very small part of the SC2 economic situation. Furthermore, by only doing just so, it causes/hurts several other things like super quick saturation, less option of one/fewer base play, etc.
T P Z sagi
osiris17
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 00:03:57
March 07 2013 00:02 GMT
#28
Random Platinoob Dustin Browder doesn't think that skytoss is a problem because the protoss doesn't get there often enough... That is what I call a lack of forsight.

How do you develop a game, work on it exclusively for a solid 6 years, and not get out of platinum league....?
Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate. - sun tzu
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
March 07 2013 00:09 GMT
#29
On March 07 2013 09:02 osiris17 wrote:
Random Platinoob Dustin Browder doesn't think that skytoss is a problem because the protoss doesn't get there often enough... That is what I call a lack of forsight.

How do you develop a game, work on it exclusively for a solid 6 years, and not get out of platinum league....?

By spending 50-60 hours a week developing the game instead of playing it.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11355 Posts
March 07 2013 00:09 GMT
#30
It'd be cool if they did one of these on TL.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 07 2013 00:09 GMT
#31
On March 07 2013 09:02 osiris17 wrote:
Random Platinoob Dustin Browder doesn't think that skytoss is a problem because the protoss doesn't get there often enough... That is what I call a lack of forsight.

How do you develop a game, work on it exclusively for a solid 6 years, and not get out of platinum league....?



By not being the only guy that work on it ?
Browder doesn't come in meeting saying " I lost to that, we need to change it ! "

Kim is close to an amateur pro level if all you want is someone who is high rank....
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 07 2013 00:11 GMT
#32
On March 07 2013 09:02 osiris17 wrote:
Random Platinoob Dustin Browder doesn't think that skytoss is a problem because the protoss doesn't get there often enough... That is what I call a lack of forsight.

How do you develop a game, work on it exclusively for a solid 6 years, and not get out of platinum league....?

Seriously? You wonder how someone managing a team, working for 6 solid years doesn't have skills playing a game?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
March 07 2013 00:14 GMT
#33
On March 07 2013 06:23 nikonikonii wrote:
Can someone do a summary of their answers? I don't go to reddit.


That's dumb by default. Reddit is one of the best places you could spend your time IF you turn off all the imgur/memegenerator posts.

/r/programming, /r/learnprogramming, /r/romania, /r/linux, /r/linux_gaming, /r/windowsphone are my daily newspaper.


The AMA was great, I hope we'll see a great improvement in SC2 from now on! Can't wait for HotS to be back up (and released, as well).
"Having your own haters means you are famous"
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 00:44:38
March 07 2013 00:15 GMT
#34
This is a pretty good summary of the AMA.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19svzc/ama_summary/

Shortened and cut down responses. I highly advise reading the actual AMA, a transcript will be posted on Battle.net, but until then, there's this.
The AMA: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/19sg1x/we_are_dustin_browder_alan_dabiri_and_david_kim/[1]
DB, DK and AD are who made the comment.

General

DB: SC2 dev team consists of 80+ Developers, hundreds of QA+ Cinematic+Other
DB: Not ready to give details on map marketplace
DB&AD: Did not deliver on promises of the HotS FAQ in terms of Arcade, and will be doing more work on it
DB: They would do polls but the results are never representative as most players don't use the forums
DB: A few developers working on Allstars. Most people working on Swarm, some artists have switches to Allstars with Swarm being finished, while campaign team has started work on LOTV
DB: They would not release the game if they don't think it's good
DB: No plans to go F2P as they can't find a design choice they would be happy with to make it F2P
DB: Reaction to b.net overhaul was surprising, people were way more excited than they thought
DB: We have not seen a decline due to the rise of "DOTA games", they don't see any threat. They are very different games with very different players
AD: Confident HotS launch will go smoothly, expecting "Over 9000" players within 5 minutes of launch
AD: Talking alot about improving the replay screen and how players can view and share plays. No time line yet
AD: B.net API and replay format specification is hopefully coming... eventually
DB: They would like to not patch the campaign if possible, if necessary, they will

Legacy of the Void

DB: Legacy of the Void is in development, Story, Scripts, and Missions have been started.
DB: Custom Campaigns support possible for LOTV
DB: They hope it won't take as long as HOTS but efficient and quick game development is not something they have been great at
DB: Story isn't set in stone yet, they have ideas how it'll end but no final answer

Multiplayer - General

DB: In-game unlockables are limited by memory
DB: Map sizes are much bigger than they ever thought it would be
DB&DK: They have an engineer working on making map-hacks more difficult but do not wish to talk about it for obvious reasons
DB: They will talk about the economy system, but obviously no changes for Swarm
DB: Stronger Team Colors had technical issues that would hurt lower end systems
DB&AD: Blizzard Time to Real Time is being worked on, but it was more complex than they anticipated
DB: The decision for 2 gas was to make SC2s economy more complex as they felt it was too simple with 1
DB: Everybody will see skins, but for players in esports settings, they can choose which skins to display
AD: They would like to continue adding AI builds in the future
AD: Not happy with Barcodes, as it defeats the purpose of GM (that being to be able to easily follow the best players), they are looking to address this but it is a delicate balancing act between privacy and being able to track players
DK: Balance issues could be fixed with maps, but not overdoing it is important
DK: Situation reports will continue
DK: Most tops pros focus on macro and require other players to create good strategies
DK: 3 base play on ladder is more popular than pros. They continue to talk about it but it isn't as major as people think

Multiplayer - WOL

DB: PvP and PvZ had issues in Wings due to the unit mixes available, thinks Swarm has addressed the issues
DK: The Queen patch was actually one of the best changes they made. They still feel like Hellions running in, killing all the drones, and the game just ending wasn't exciting to watch
DK: They tried air and semi-air based maps, but scouting is far more important than in Brood War so it didn't work well

Multiplayer - HOTS

DB: They tried Lurkers again in HotS, but they were not as good as they hoped, they were not as cool/fun/effective as the new units
DK: They are okay with Corruptors, it is not their favorite unit but it works well
DB: Community feedback had a massive effect on the Oracle, "basically undid out entire direction for the unit"
DB: It was hard to get good feedback from pros as they were often biased towards their own race, but David did find some pro players and casters who had more neutral views and formed relationships with them to get feedback
DK: Still thinks Oracle are unique despite losing the ability to harras without killing workers
DK: The goal for the Carrier is to never to be a core unit, but still able to come into play here and there
DK: Nydus worms changes were cut due to too much variety in lair tech for Zerg
DK: They want mech to be viable but not replace bio, feel like it'll be heavily tied to maps
DK: They don't think the Hellbat has many weird rules, other than gaining a bio tag
DB: Altering the core economy (3 base eco cap) would be a huge change and mean re-balancing the entire game

Esports

DB: Happy with KeSPA supporting SC2
DB: They will continue to promote barcraft
DB: A calendar won't be in launch but they will talk about it
DB: Esports is much bigger than they thought it would be, they expected 50 people in a room, not thousands
DB: Plans for 2013 and beyond not finalized, frequently talking to teams and organizers
DB: Esports is a big part of the development process
AD: Gameheart is very cool
AD: The customisable observer UI doesn't allow scripting, but they have some cool ideas for the future of it
AD: Reaction to the Custom Obs UI was a little surprising, they are glad we're excited for even the smaller features in HOTS
DB&AD: The Custom Observer UI shown in the eSports and Multiplayer video as an example, will be available with the HotS Launch.
DK: Maps on ladder could use a huge improvement, current plan is to work more closely with tournaments, not only meaning using tournament maps, but also creating maps with input from them.

Other

DB: Dustin Browder once beat David Kim, as David was reading e-mails during the final battle
DB: Activision have been very supportive of SC2
DB: Dustin Browder watched a ton of TLO, he enjoys watching Grubby and White-Ra stream. MKP is one of his favourite players to watch micro, and NesTea is still his favourite
AD: Alan Dabiris favourite players are Boxer and July.
AD: The team often go watch tournaments together, and have been to barcrafts in Irvine
DB: Browder thinks an RTS on a tablet would not be able to work at the pace of SC2 due to vision being effected by fingers
DB: Dustin is Platinum League - playing random
DB: Dustin wanted to release the game 1 year before release, but Mike Morhaime intervened and said they need more time
DB: Dustin thinks video games are the most complicated form of entertainment built by humans
AD: Alan Dabiri is GM on Korean ladder under the name "|||||||||||||||"
DK: David Kim doesn't just work on balance, he is a General Game Designer, working on all parts (so now you can blame him when dying on brutal campaign too!) of multiplayer.
DK: Strength of reddit is the point system which makes important issues surface to the top quickly, it is one of the easier methods to gather feedback
DB: "Outbreak" is Dustin Browders favorite mission
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2013 00:22 GMT
#35
From Reddit:

Question 1: Where there any people, posts, or topics that were especially helpful feedback for you during the beta? (Even if you didn’t get the chance to act on it yet)

Question 2: Have you considering implementing some sort of survey or poll into Battle.net itself to gather feedback directly from all of the playerbase?

Question 3: During the beta, you guys had a "eSports Beta Feedback" forum for professional players and casters. Was this helpful, and do you plan to keep it open after HotS releases and continue to expand access to it? Post in it yourselves more frequently?

This is the best quote from DB:

"1.I think we got a lot of good feedback early on about the Oracle that caused us to change the way the unit worked completely. There were tons of other helpful posts of course but that issue stands out because we basically undid our entire direction for the unit based on community feedback that we thought was really accurate.

2.We can do some polls, but they will never represent the entire community since so few people relative to the size of our player base actually visits the forums. =(

3.The esports forum was useful but not in the way we thought. Most pro players are extremely biased towards their own race (as they should be) and it was hard for us to get good feedback from them directly. But David did manage to find some pro players and casters who were more balanced in their views on the game and we have formed relationships with them directly to gather feedback."

I love the comment about professional players, which has always been my opinion of their balance views.
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HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 00:26:11
March 07 2013 00:25 GMT
#36
On March 07 2013 09:14 nucLeaRTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 06:23 nikonikonii wrote:
Can someone do a summary of their answers? I don't go to reddit.


That's dumb by default. Reddit is one of the best places you could spend your time IF you turn off all the imgur/memegenerator posts.

/r/programming, /r/learnprogramming, /r/romania, /r/linux, /r/linux_gaming, /r/windowsphone are my daily newspaper.


The AMA was great, I hope we'll see a great improvement in SC2 from now on! Can't wait for HotS to be back up (and released, as well).

r/TTOM is the best but it's NSFL/NSFW/etc.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 07 2013 00:31 GMT
#37
Thanks tomahawk for the post of everything they said. There was actually some interesting information in there which I thought there wouldn't be
When I think of something else, something will go here
nikonikonii
Profile Joined March 2013
Japan38 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 01:46:28
March 07 2013 01:44 GMT
#38
Did someone ask if they were having a TV ad for hots?

Are they having a TV ad for HOTS?

On March 07 2013 09:14 nucLeaRTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 06:23 nikonikonii wrote:
Can someone do a summary of their answers? I don't go to reddit.


That's dumb by default. Reddit is one of the best places you could spend your time IF you turn off all the imgur/memegenerator posts.

/r/programming, /r/learnprogramming, /r/romania, /r/linux, /r/linux_gaming, /r/windowsphone are my daily newspaper.


The AMA was great, I hope we'll see a great improvement in SC2 from now on! Can't wait for HotS to be back up (and released, as well).


I'm not into circlejerks/ad populum communities.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 02:38:56
March 07 2013 02:37 GMT
#39
Really? Happy with the queen change? Ugh...
On March 07 2013 05:41 Nazza wrote:
People in that thread tend to be really positive (well at least they are upvoting) over the changes barrin, lalush, etc, have discussed over the past year or so. It's a lot different from the "omg. if you like BW go play BW" mentality that I tend to see here.

That's because you can't easily silence dissenters on TL as well as you can on Reddit.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12415 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 02:55:59
March 07 2013 02:53 GMT
#40
can't we all just get along well??
First comes hating of the game, then comes hating on the forums???

I really hope someone would ask if the game will become more optimized for multi core beyond 2.

"A few weeks ago, our multiplayer design group was just having a casual meeting at my desk about something while I was just working on something else. Unintentially, I wasn't really listening and I wanted to talk about what I was working on so i said "Yeah I know, but what do you think about this?" And everyone started laughing so hard.
Supposedly, what one of our tech designers said right before I started talking was something along the lines of "Well I completely suck at this game and will never improve."
It was pretty embarassing, but we know each other so well that he knew exactly what happened."

LOL
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