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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On March 14 2013 19:02 Brian333 wrote: IIRC, the seed was a predetermined prize from that tournament. It wasn't gom's call. Yes it was. Hoghest non-Code S player in the top 3 at MLG used to automatically get a Code S seed. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On March 14 2013 20:01 Godwrath wrote: That's the impressive run he is speaking about. Last one was on october, almost 5 months ago. No, an impressive run was why he was rewarded his first seed. What he did afterwards made him easily of the top 10 players in the world. At that point he was even top 1-3 (depending on what you count), now he is still top 10. And not just "some Kespa dude". | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 15 2013 01:35 Fenrax wrote: No, an impressive run was why he was rewarded his first seed. What he did afterwards made him easily of the top 10 players in the world. At that point he was even top 1-3 (depending on what you count), now he is still top 10. And not just "some Kespa dude". what you listed actually WAS the impressive run i was talking about. what did he do before he got the first Code S seed? i can't remember anything tbh, maybe i just forgot though. "some Kespa dude" was of course hyperbole, but i don't think he's clearly a top 10 player in the world right now. he's been doing pretty well in proleague, i'll give you that, but what has he really done other than that? i'm not trying to hate on Rain btw, when he was on said run his play was amazing and he definitely still is a very good player, just saying he hasn't really shown too many results lately. if they wanted to seed someone that has done particularly well in Proleague there are several dudes ahead of Rain. | ||
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Novacute
Australia313 Posts
On March 15 2013 01:41 Schelim wrote: what you listed actually WAS the impressive run i was talking about. what did he do before he got the first Code S seed? i can't remember anything tbh, maybe i just forgot though. "some Kespa dude" was of course hyperbole, but i don't think he's clearly a top 10 player in the world right now. he's been doing pretty well in proleague, i'll give you that, but what has he really done other than that? i'm not trying to hate on Rain btw, when he was on said run his play was amazing and he definitely still is a very good player, just saying he hasn't really shown too many results lately. if they wanted to seed someone that has done particularly well in Proleague there are several dudes ahead of Rain. This is true, his play has largely been lack luster. His opponents in Proleague haven't been particularly formidable (most of which were from EG TL). I feel like he hasn't progressed much in recent months compared to his debut where he had an astounding level of understanding in what constitutes the world's best Protoss. Seems like he lost his edge. Even so, he is still a solid player no doubt. | ||
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xwoGworwaTsx
United States984 Posts
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On March 15 2013 01:41 Schelim wrote: what you listed actually WAS the impressive run i was talking about. what did he do before he got the first Code S seed? i can't remember anything tbh, maybe i just forgot though. "some Kespa dude" was of course hyperbole, but i don't think he's clearly a top 10 player in the world right now. he's been doing pretty well in proleague, i'll give you that, but what has he really done other than that? i'm not trying to hate on Rain btw, when he was on said run his play was amazing and he definitely still is a very good player, just saying he hasn't really shown too many results lately. if they wanted to seed someone that has done particularly well in Proleague there are several dudes ahead of Rain. I can see that. But to be fair there were not many tournaments for him to play in to begin with in the past 5 months. He actually only failed once, in the Code A RO48, after making it through Code B he lost to some cheese G1 and super greed G2 if I recall correctly. The next GSL he went to the round of 24 and lost to Flash which isn't a shame. Other than that, there just weren't any offline tournaments in which he could have played so the lack of results is just due to the tournament structure and not an indicator that his skill crumbled. On MVP I agree with you. He should be the one rewarded the last seed. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10165 Posts
On March 15 2013 01:35 Fenrax wrote: No, an impressive run was why he was rewarded his first seed. What he did afterwards made him easily of the top 10 players in the world. At that point he was even top 1-3 (depending on what you count), now he is still top 10. And not just "some Kespa dude". What did he do before all that ? Maybe my memory was erased or something because i can't remember anything that Rain did before that run, and after it most of his results didn't live up to the expectations. I don't think he is some "kespa dude", but he hasn't showed amazing results after that. A few wins on proleague and even there, there are more "kespa dudes" who are not on code S and would deserve it more. Anyways, i guess it's about giving the OSL champ a seed, nothing wrong about that. | ||
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malady
United States600 Posts
Yes he wasn't a star player but he was a up and coming player who made his way onto A team and actually played an won games in proleague which is pretty good accomplishment. In my opinion he was on his way to becoming a good player in brood war and now is on his way to becoming a greater player in sc2. either way his rise is undeniable. | ||
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djfoxmccloud
France185 Posts
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
nothing announced at MLG. Not even the announcement of an announcement. It is about time for them to name the last slot and tell us why Rain got seeded. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On March 18 2013 11:54 Fenrax wrote: Soooo.... nothing announced at MLG. Not even the announcement of an announcement. It is about time for them to name the last slot and tell us why Rain got seeded. Well, what has GOM to do with MLG? Sundance is passive aggressive against GOM ever since the Naniwa stuff. Doubt they would announce something there. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On March 15 2013 01:41 Schelim wrote: what you listed actually WAS the impressive run i was talking about. what did he do before he got the first Code S seed? i can't remember anything tbh, maybe i just forgot though. "some Kespa dude" was of course hyperbole, but i don't think he's clearly a top 10 player in the world right now. he's been doing pretty well in proleague, i'll give you that, but what has he really done other than that? i'm not trying to hate on Rain btw, when he was on said run his play was amazing and he definitely still is a very good player, just saying he hasn't really shown too many results lately. if they wanted to seed someone that has done particularly well in Proleague there are several dudes ahead of Rain. So were discussing Mvp versus Rain right? I'm probably going to be maimed by legions of Mvp fans for this, but what has Mvp done lately since losing to Life in season 4(the same season Rain went round of 4)??? - Gotten knocked out of GSL entirely in season 1 of 2013. - Feasted on some foreigners at IEM(only Korean he beat at IEM was Dream in the group stage.) - Got knocked out of MLG in the ro16 by MC 3-1. Based on his recent performance, Mvp does not deserve the last Code S seed at all. It's not fair to dismiss Rain's run around Season Four as too long ago, and then start counting up Mvp's GSLs from almost a year ago as reasons why he should get the seed instead. Rain placed better than Mvp did at MLG too just as another piece of evidence. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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Entirety
1423 Posts
On March 18 2013 12:30 Wingblade wrote: So were discussing Mvp versus Rain right? I'm probably going to be maimed by legions of Mvp fans for this, but what has Mvp done lately since losing to Life in season 4(the same season Rain went round of 4)??? - Gotten knocked out of GSL entirely in season 1 of 2013. - Feasted on some foreigners at IEM(only Korean he beat at IEM was Dream in the group stage.) - Got knocked out of MLG in the ro16 by MC 3-1. Based on his recent performance, Mvp does not deserve the last Code S seed at all. It's not fair to dismiss Rain's run around Season Four as too long ago, and then start counting up Mvp's GSLs from almost a year ago as reasons why he should get the seed instead. Rain placed better than Mvp did at MLG too just as another piece of evidence. Honestly, going by pure HotS skill (since this next GSL is HotS), Mvp has looked extremely strong. By the way, Mvp also beat Golden in the group stages, another Korean. Of course I have Mvp-bias, but this is Mvp's first time out of the GSL. Ever since the first Code S (which Mvp won), Mvp has showed us great performances, championships, and consistency (he won the NesTea award after all). I think out of anyone in the GSL, Mvp deserves a second chance the most. Remember that time when Mvp got knocked out early in GSL Season 3, bombed HSC so badly (he lost to so many foreigners...), failed to win NVIDIA Gaming Festival (which was supposed to be easy money), and just generally looked really really bad in every single game he played... and then he almost won GSL Season 4 (after he did win IEM)? The point is Mvp always looks beaten, then comes back with championship caliber play. Just looking at his recent results does not always tell the full story. He's certainly a better candidate for a seed than Stephano was. | ||
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vinsang1000
Belgium365 Posts
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
I was being facitious btw. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 18 2013 12:30 Wingblade wrote: So were discussing Mvp versus Rain right? I'm probably going to be maimed by legions of Mvp fans for this, but what has Mvp done lately since losing to Life in season 4(the same season Rain went round of 4)??? - Gotten knocked out of GSL entirely in season 1 of 2013. - Feasted on some foreigners at IEM(only Korean he beat at IEM was Dream in the group stage.) - Got knocked out of MLG in the ro16 by MC 3-1. Based on his recent performance, Mvp does not deserve the last Code S seed at all. It's not fair to dismiss Rain's run around Season Four as too long ago, and then start counting up Mvp's GSLs from almost a year ago as reasons why he should get the seed instead. Rain placed better than Mvp did at MLG too just as another piece of evidence. the same season Rain went to round of 4. yeah, you mean the same season MVP beat Rain in the round of 4 and therefore made it to the finals? not sure what your point is there. Rain also got knocked out of GSL entirely. he forfeited his Code S group, sure, but he still lost in Code A round 1. Also, that forfeit was kinda disrespectful. blah blah Kespa, but can we really know? MVP loses to the winningest player in sc2 history who is known for discovering and using very abusive builds - which is precisely what he did against MVP - and who then placed top 4 in the same tournament. Not exactly something to be ashamed of, is it? sure, MVP now is not MVP in 2011, and he's also not Life now. But I'm not sure in what universe Rain is clearly superior. Either way, since a second seed is still to be announced, they could both be getting seeds anyways. I can't really think of anyone that isn't in Code S and would deserve it more atm tbh. They might still seed Scarlett or something though. | ||
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MetalxStorm
United States71 Posts
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