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Welcome to the monthly edition of the top 50 streamers list. 
This month's edition won't be as long as last month's, since there's no gigantic year-end table to present to you. But there's still something new for y'all that I'm sure you've all been waiting for: GSL viewer numbers!
Thanks to GSL finally switching to Twitch full-time (Thank you so much, guys at GSL!), I am now able to gather not only the weekly Proleague viewer numbers, but also the viewer numbers for GSL. And given that these two eSports behemoths at times are even going at it head-to-head, those numbers sure are interesting. Who do you think will win that fight? Proleague, or GSL? Will it be an even fight or a beat-down? Well, more on that later!
Table of contents
Huh? What's this?
For those of you who don't already know what this is about: I'm gathering various data from all the streams that are presented on teamliquid.net (viewers, game, events, etc.) and use that data to produce the pretty tables you see below. The tables only contain SC2 players (that is, people streaming games of Starcraft 2 being played by the streamer themselves) and not casters, teams or other streams. The tables also only contain Starcraft 2 related activities. So CatZ streaming Dota2 will not be taken into account, for instance.
For live stream data, go and visit soiii's site http://sc2streamnumbers.com/ where you can check out detailed graphs of stream viewers of every stream. (Thread here). Please check it out, it's pretty awesome. I thought about doing something like that at some point, but soiii did it way better and prettier than I could've ever done.
The list
Due to space limitations, I have to shorten the headers and leave some data out of the tables presented here. You can get the full tables from the links below.
The headers aren't as clear as I'd like them to be thanks to this, so here's a quick explanation, just in case: "Viewers" denotes the average viewers in the given month. "Hours" are the hours played. "Place diff" and "Viewer diff" are the place and viewer differences compared to last month. And "HotS%" is the percentage of Heart of the Swarm streaming compared to Wings of Liberty. A full green bar means the player streamed only HotS, a grey bar means he only streamed WoL.
Also, the HTML version linked beneath the images has some more information that I had to leave out due to space limitation, most notably the featured status of the players.
Now, Without further ado, here's this month's tables:
Stray observations
- Boy, people sure like watching EG's Zergs going at it, eh? Stephano, Jaedong and IdrA remain the most popular streamers out there. Jaedong's numbers went down significantly from last month, but it's still enough to give him a comfortable second place.
- Speaking of EG.. geez! Half of the players in both top 10 lists are EG guys! 11 of their 13 players have been streaming last month. And not only that, they've been streaming like crazy! Want more proof? Well, how about this: Total hours streamed by EG playeres in December 2012: ~180. Total hours streamed by EG in Jaunary 2013: ~670. Last month's year end list was clearly showing how popular the EG guys are in general. Could it be that it inspired them to stream again some more? I honestly have no idea, but like any other guy I'd like to think that my work has some meaning and gets people to do positive things, like streaming more.
- The number of streamers playing HotS seems to grow again, doesn't it? So many green bars.. More on that in the next section.
- Notable absentees this month: NaNiwa, MC, TaeJa, qxc, MorroW, GanZi, Revival.
- I still haven't found the time to graph viewer numbers by hours of the day. My apologies, desrow.
 Exams will be mostly over next week, and I'll have more time to devote to fun things again then!
- if you find any mistakes or errors in the lists, please do let me know, especially concerning team changes or players that you are absolutely sure should be on the lists, but are not.
Well, That's all I can think of for now.
The big picture
(The actual numbers are not important, it's the ratio between month that's important.)
Did you know that Heart of the Swarm is right around the corner? The pros sure do! Last month I predicted a "steady" rise of HotS viewer numbers, and a slow decline of WoL viewer numbers. Yep, I'm definitely no Nostradamus, folks!
HotS viewer numbers are up significantly from last month, almost reaching the level of the start of the beta, and that's two months before release! The viewership will only grow until the HotS release. And even the WoL viewer numbers are up, if only slightly.
And with no premier tournament happening in February, the numbers overall will most likely keep rising, while March looks equally bright. There'll be big tournaments, sure, but there will also be HotS. Here's to hoping the expansion will bring lots of new players (and viewers).
Proleague vs. GSL
You'll notice that there are two GSL groups missing from the graph, Group A and Group D. My script borked right around the time Group A was playing, and I unfortunately miss any data for exactly the few hours GSL was on. Talk about bad timing. :/ For Group D, the link on teamliquid's sidebar linked to gomtv.net instead to the Twitch.tv stream. Since I get my numbers through teamliquid (something I plan to change in the long-term, especially now that I will never have to deal with own3D's horrible API again), here, too, I am missing the actual viewer numbers. Sorry about that!
As a bit of an apology, I've included today's Proleague and GSL numbers, since I'm sure you guys wouldn't want to wait a whole month to find out how Stephano's done in terms of viewer numbers.
It should also be noted that these numbers are only for the English streams of the corresponding leagues. These numbers say nothing about Korean viewers.
I also am not entirely sure if the GSL numbers also incorporate viewers watching straight from gomtv.net, and not through teamliquid.net or twitch.tv. If anyone knows this, please do let me know! Apparently, watching GSL from gomtv.net does not add to the twitch.tv viewer numbers, so the actual GSL foreign viewer numbers are higher than what is presented here. Poor Proleague.
Now isn't that interesting? When they're not competing directly with each other, GSL viewer numbers are roughly equivalent to Proleague viewer when EG-TL is playing. When they are competing, however.. ouch! Proleague just has no chance at all against GSL, it seems.
Today was a special case, with EG-TL playing on Proleague (which usually guarantees >10.000 average viewers) and Stephano playing for the first time in GSL in Group H (which was hyped all over the place). Proleague viewers were cut in half, while Stephano did not at all impact GSL's average viewerships.
This one is hard to interpret. It could be that Stephano vs. EG-TL simply cancelled each other out. Would today's GSL group have gotten a lot more viewers if they were not competing with Proleague? Proleague definitely suffered, EG-TL's usual numbers were basically cut in half, so it's definitely a possibility. Then again, we had another foreigner in the GSL with HuK, and even without any Proleague competition, Group C didn't gain just roughly 2000 viewers on average. So perhaps Stephano wasn't as big a draw for the foreign crowd after all. It's hard to say.
A Poll!
So, that's all for this month!
Well, almost. Now that Proleague and GSL viewer numbers are here to stay (it appears), I will of course keep presenting those numbers. But, technically speaking, those numbers don't have a whole lot to do with the top 50 streamers of a given month, right?
So here's a poll for you all. Should I keep presenting all my numbers in one big thread a month, or should I split up what I have? That is, should I do one "Top 50 streamers" and one "Proleague and GSL numbers" thread, or keep the two combined as they are right now? On the one hand, there might be people who want to know about event numbers and don't care about streamer viewership (and vice versa), on the other hand, I wouldn't want to spam the sc2 forum each month. So.. poll time!
Feel free to voice your opinion on this in the thread, too, of course, especially if you have a smart, third option that my stupid self hasn't come up with yet.
Poll: One thread per month, or multiple threads (one per topic) per month?Keep it all in one thread! (292) 94% Split it up, one for top streamers, one for GSL/Proleague (18) 6% Something else (specify in comments) (2) 1% 312 total votes Your vote: One thread per month, or multiple threads (one per topic) per month? (Vote): Keep it all in one thread!
(Vote): Split it up, one for top streamers, one for GSL/Proleague
(Vote): Something else (specify in comments)
Hope you guys enjoyed, as always. Any kind of feedback is always welcome!
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I also am not entirely sure if the GSL numbers also incorporate viewers watching straight from gomtv.net, and not through teamliquid.net or twitch.tv. If anyone knows this, please do let me know!
The viewers on GOMTV.net do not count as part of the Twitch.tv stream, they are separate and if Twitch for example goes down for a moment like it did tonight, the stream on GOM was still up.
Thanks for your hard work with this project, I really enjoy it.
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Evil Geniuses capturing so much of the streaming market. With that and their player roster being so powerful they're sitting pretty!
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Canada1637 Posts
Cool post as always. I definitely wouldn't mind you splitting up the topics, and even further adding the daily broadcasts of different leagues so it would be a comparison of GSL, IPL, NASL, MLG, Proleague viewership.
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Nice to see SC2 stream numbers up.
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quite low numbers when compared to LoL but EG is doing a fantastic job to market their players.
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On February 02 2013 00:56 Adebisi wrote:
Cool post as always. I definitely wouldn't mind you splitting up the topics, and even further adding the daily broadcasts of different leagues so it would be a comparison of GSL, IPL, NASL, MLG, Proleague viewership.
The problem with that is that the major non-Korean events do not offer any viewership numbers. So no IPL or MLG numbers. If they're available, I'm happy to present them, of course!
As for non-major events by the major organizations, hmm.. I probably could do IPTL, NASL, showmatches, etc., but that's a lot more work than just Proleague and GSL. There are often multiple streams (should I just pick the largest one? The average of all? Just the English language ones?), the streams themselves change (sometimes it's players/casters using their personal stream for events), and then there are rebroadcasts that I would have to filter out, and sometimes events run without being mentioned in the TL.net calendar at all (mostly rebroadcasts), etc.
That doesn't make it impossible to do, though. It's something to keep in mind, especially if I'll end up splitting up the threads.
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Canada1637 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:03 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:56 Adebisi wrote:
Cool post as always. I definitely wouldn't mind you splitting up the topics, and even further adding the daily broadcasts of different leagues so it would be a comparison of GSL, IPL, NASL, MLG, Proleague viewership. The problem with that is that the major non-Korean events do not offer any viewership numbers. So no IPL or MLG numbers. If they're available, I'm happy to present them, of course! As for non-major events by the major organizations, hmm.. I probably could do IPTL, NASL, showmatches, etc., but that's a lot more work than just Proleague and GSL. There are often multiple streams (should I just pick the largest one? The average of all? Just the English language ones?), the streams themselves change (sometimes it's players/casters using their personal stream for events), and then there are rebroadcasts that I would have to filter out, and sometimes events run without being mentioned in the TL.net calendar at all (mostly rebroadcasts), etc. That doesn't make it impossible to do, though. It's something to keep in mind, especially if I'll end up splitting up the threads.
I guess IPL mirrors their stuff on ign.com/ipl (free hd too! regardless, its no different than the #s you lose from people watching on gom's platform) but otherwise isn't everyone on Twitch now? I more meant just the daily broadcasts, not major events.
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That you Conti for putting in the effort to do this. It's always an interesting read.
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On February 02 2013 01:07 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:03 Conti wrote:On February 02 2013 00:56 Adebisi wrote:
Cool post as always. I definitely wouldn't mind you splitting up the topics, and even further adding the daily broadcasts of different leagues so it would be a comparison of GSL, IPL, NASL, MLG, Proleague viewership. The problem with that is that the major non-Korean events do not offer any viewership numbers. So no IPL or MLG numbers. If they're available, I'm happy to present them, of course! As for non-major events by the major organizations, hmm.. I probably could do IPTL, NASL, showmatches, etc., but that's a lot more work than just Proleague and GSL. There are often multiple streams (should I just pick the largest one? The average of all? Just the English language ones?), the streams themselves change (sometimes it's players/casters using their personal stream for events), and then there are rebroadcasts that I would have to filter out, and sometimes events run without being mentioned in the TL.net calendar at all (mostly rebroadcasts), etc. That doesn't make it impossible to do, though. It's something to keep in mind, especially if I'll end up splitting up the threads. I guess IPL mirrors their stuff on ign.com/ipl (free hd too! regardless, its no different than the #s you lose from people watching on gom's platform) but otherwise isn't everyone on Twitch now? I more meant just the daily broadcasts, not major events.
For daily broadcasts, that's definitely possible. Most likely, I'll have to work around some kinks for each specific event (the IGN stream is online practically 24/7, for instance, mostly showing old stuff), but that's definitely on the to-do list.
And yeah, the big events do use twitch for the most part, but they often also try to mask their viewer numbers, and teamliquid.net's sidebar often just links to their website and not to the twitch.tv accounts. I'm not sure if I could get the viewer numbers via the twitch API anyhow, though. I want to get my numbers straight from the streaming sites anyhow, though. It's another thing on the to-do list.
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France7248 Posts
great work once again!
Stephano streamed a bit of HoTS this month, around 5h I think
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On February 02 2013 01:14 Yhamm wrote:
great work once again!
Stephano streamed a bit of HoTS this month, around 5h I think
Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that. I think he streamed more HotS than that, even. He just never actually set the game he played to HotS (the streamers have to tell TL which game they're streaming), so it didn't show up in the database. It's all Stephano's fault. 
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Have I mentioned you're one of the most awesome contributers on TeamLiquid.net yet? I haven't? You are one of the most awesome contributers on TeamLiquid.net
Thank you.
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Interesting as always, thanks for that. Nice to see that sooo many do watch hots now, i'm defenitly with them. Streams in WoL are not sooo excting when you only play hots, right?
And also kinda good to know that GSL is far appove in a head-to-head fight, it's the better games and the better production for sure, imo.
I think that next month, the WoL numbers will go down, and the hots numbers will contunie to raise!
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Teamless player streaming 325 hours. my fucking god... @_@
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Funny how Hui's peak is greater than Stephanos. He totally cheated XD
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Stephano outdoing Jaedong in average stream viewers :O. Also, EG streams by far the most. Nice article once again and nice to see that sc2 is picking up in numbers after a long time of decline.
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Thank you very much.
Great work on gathering the data.
I really hope it leads to more top end Terrans streaming.
Especially Meching Korean Terrans, which is a rare breed indeed.
I get that streaming marine tank medvac 3-4 base streaming is powerful.
I don't need more examples of it to practice, however more guidelines for late game mech composition/micro is always welcome...
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Very interesting too see that ProLeague take such a big hit while GSL don't improve much at all.
Worth noting is that today is not a normal ProLeague day, it should have been tomorrow so I think that contributed much as well.
(People didn't actually know about the change of date)
EG topping the charts again, JD losing viewers compared too December as well as some others but the total amount of viewers going up, very interesting and imo better for the scene as a whole.
Will be very interesting to see a viewers/hours, got a feeling that 15-23:00 PST is the time to stream.
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Desrow did the impossible. He streamed more than Hui!
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why isn't hui featured yet holy shit.
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GSL numbers do NOT include gomtv.net, and therefore present quite lower than they really are. Great for them for doing so well and thanks for the stats!
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desRow streamed more than hui?
O.O
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About today's GSL numbers, the twitch stream was very laggy, so I, and I think a lot of others, watched directly on GomTV's stream. It would really surprise me that Stephano playing didn't impact that number a lot more.
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I don't think I have posted this before, but just wanted to say that I find your threads really interesting. Keep up the good work!
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Wow, I'm really surprised that Group H of GSL (with Stephano) wasn't at 50% more than other groups! I'd be really interested to see if the GOMTV numbers went way up.
It seems impossible for them not to............
Edit:
Also, I'd venture to say Jaedong lost so many viewers because Stephano and him streamed simultaneously for 30-40% of the time (it seemed), and they surely share a large percentage of their viewer-base.
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evil geniuses are dominating.
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On February 02 2013 02:22 TheCupholder wrote:
GSL numbers do NOT include gomtv.net, and therefore present quite lower than they really are. Great for them for doing so well and thanks for the stats!
Doubt it, theres a reason the price for a ticket is so high because not a lot of people actually pay.
And if you take into account how many people thats in the LR threads watch on Twitch then the "casual" viewers certainly watch it via there as well.
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On February 02 2013 01:48 Jealous wrote:
Teamless player streaming 325 hours. my fucking god... @_@
That's not a teamless guy, that's ProTech! He's awesome and he focuses mostly on 2v2. Very entertaining stream and the only mannered chat in the business.
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On February 02 2013 02:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't think I have posted this before, but just wanted to say that I find your threads really interesting. Keep up the good work!
Wow, I feel so blessed. Thanks for the kind words!
On February 02 2013 03:04 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:48 Jealous wrote:
Teamless player streaming 325 hours. my fucking god... @_@ That's not a teamless guy, that's ProTech! He's awesome and he focuses mostly on 2v2. Very entertaining stream and the only mannered chat in the business.
Does he have a team, though?
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Hui has a peak of 12k ?
Seems strange, any explanation?
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"Apparently, watching GSL from gomtv.net does add to the twitch.tv viewer numbers, so the actual GSL foreign viewer numbers are higher than what is presented here. Poor Proleague"
How sure are you about this? GOMTV don't use twitch on their main website, I see no reason why the viewers would add up on the twitch side.
I mean the player looks very different, and even the stream on GOMTV was up when twitch went down, so obviously its not the same stream
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On February 02 2013 03:25 iky43210 wrote:
"Apparently, watching GSL from gomtv.net does add to the twitch.tv viewer numbers, so the actual GSL foreign viewer numbers are higher than what is presented here. Poor Proleague"
How sure are you about this? GOMTV don't use twitch on their main website, I see no reason why the viewers would add up on the twitch side.
I mean the video player looks very different, with no chat or other usual twitch functions. And even the stream on GOMTV was up when twitch went down, so obviously its not the same stream
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On February 02 2013 03:07 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 02:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't think I have posted this before, but just wanted to say that I find your threads really interesting. Keep up the good work! Wow, I feel so blessed. Thanks for the kind words! Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 03:04 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 02 2013 01:48 Jealous wrote:
Teamless player streaming 325 hours. my fucking god... @_@ That's not a teamless guy, that's ProTech! He's awesome and he focuses mostly on 2v2. Very entertaining stream and the only mannered chat in the business. Does he have a team, though?
Oh, no, I don't think so. He is also male. So... literally speaking he is a teamless guy. But I meant that he isn't a random guy, but he is well known, also for streaming a lot.
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France7248 Posts
On February 02 2013 02:58 tili wrote:
Wow, I'm really surprised that Group H of GSL (with Stephano) wasn't at 50% more than other groups!
the steam went down 1 or 2 times and once had a lot of lags, each time during stephano matches.
I think lot of people went to see it on GOMTV, the quality of free stream is the same (and gomtv stream was perfect)
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November thru Jan stream numbers are really interesting--- seems like HotS views are pulling up WoL views-- nothing that we don't more or less know but more evidence for how the whole scene is synergistic with itself. Kind of like how linear increases in amount of content put out result in non-linear # of views. (better than linear increase up to some inflection point, then becomes kind of logarithmic as it reaches saturation).
Cool stuff.
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Thanks for the thread! Appreciate you putting these numbers up, I was hoping I'd do better than I did but Just gotta keep at it I suppose xD
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I love EG.
They're masters of marketing, in a market where marketing is sorely under-rated. They're by no means the best, but they focus so much on advertising and big, huge personalities.. We don't want to watch for cutting edge badassery, we want to watch to be entertained!
Congrats EG =]
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This is so awesome, thank you!
Apparently, watching GSL from gomtv.net does add to the twitch.tv viewer numbers, so the actual GSL foreign viewer numbers are higher than what is presented here. Poor Proleague.
I think this is a typo? You are contradicting yourself indirectly. I think you meant that watching GSL from gomtv.net does not add to the twitch.tv viewer numbers?
On February 02 2013 02:58 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 02:22 TheCupholder wrote:
GSL numbers do NOT include gomtv.net, and therefore present quite lower than they really are. Great for them for doing so well and thanks for the stats!
Doubt it, theres a reason the price for a ticket is so high because not a lot of people actually pay. And if you take into account how many people thats in the LR threads watch on Twitch then the "casual" viewers certainly watch it via there as well.
You're forgetting that there is also a separate (and pretty decent quality now) stream on Gomtv.net now, separate from twitch, but also without needing a ticket.
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On February 02 2013 04:25 Alryk wrote:This is so awesome, thank you! Show nested quote + Apparently, watching GSL from gomtv.net does add to the twitch.tv viewer numbers, so the actual GSL foreign viewer numbers are higher than what is presented here. Poor Proleague.
I think this is a typo? You are contradicting yourself indirectly. I think you meant that watching GSL from gomtv.net does not add to the twitch.tv viewer numbers?
Er, yeah. Fixed. Thanks for letting me know.
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gsl group h had over 20k viewers this morning, somethings wrong in your statistic
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On February 02 2013 04:53 vzSo wrote:
gsl group h had over 20k viewers this morning, somethings wrong in your statistic
Nope. I'm offering the average viewership, not the peak viewership (which was indeed above 20k).
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now if EG sign polt and whitera they might as well as start their own sc2 streaming website
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On February 02 2013 03:08 75 wrote:
Hui has a peak of 12k ?
Seems strange, any explanation?
probably special event
Think Hui should be featured :p
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On February 02 2013 04:53 vzSo wrote:
gsl group h had over 20k viewers this morning, somethings wrong in your statistic
-_-
no there is nothing wrong. it did not have 20k on the average, and what he does it take some values and average them.
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On February 02 2013 00:35 Conti wrote:Now isn't that interesting? When they're not competing directly with each other, GSL viewer numbers are roughly equivalent to Proleague viewer when EG-TL is playing. When they are competing, however.. ouch! Proleague just has no chance at all against GSL, it seems.
Today was a special case, with EG-TL playing on Proleague (which usually guarantees >10.000 average viewers) and Stephano playing for the first time in GSL in Group H (which was hyped all over the place). Proleague viewers were cut in half, while Stephano did not at all impact GSL's average viewerships.
I think you're forgetting something. GSL is online only whereas Pro League is actually broadcasted on television in Korea. So, making a GSL vs Pro League in terms of numbers is useless if you don't have the total numbers to compare.
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This is a really cool thread! I am curious though as to why MaximusBlack has more viewers than other really good players like Snute/Ret/Sase/Catz... I suppose fanboys and time zones play a part in that. Regardless these lists are really insightful. Well done^^
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When on earth did hui peak at 12k? That guy is a streaming machine
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On February 02 2013 04:59 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:35 Conti wrote:Now isn't that interesting? When they're not competing directly with each other, GSL viewer numbers are roughly equivalent to Proleague viewer when EG-TL is playing. When they are competing, however.. ouch! Proleague just has no chance at all against GSL, it seems.
Today was a special case, with EG-TL playing on Proleague (which usually guarantees >10.000 average viewers) and Stephano playing for the first time in GSL in Group H (which was hyped all over the place). Proleague viewers were cut in half, while Stephano did not at all impact GSL's average viewerships. I think you're forgetting something. GSL is online only whereas Pro League is actually broadcasted on television in Korea. So, making a GSL vs Pro League in terms of numbers is useless if you don't have the total numbers to compare.
Which is what I said. I'm also missing the online numbers from people watching the Korean GSL stream as well as the English GSL stream on gomtv.net. So yes, this does not mean that only 5000 people watched Proleague today.
I can only work with the data I have, and while it is not entirely accurate, it's still enough to show that, for us foreigners, GSL is more popular than Proleague.
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On February 02 2013 04:59 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:35 Conti wrote:Now isn't that interesting? When they're not competing directly with each other, GSL viewer numbers are roughly equivalent to Proleague viewer when EG-TL is playing. When they are competing, however.. ouch! Proleague just has no chance at all against GSL, it seems.
Today was a special case, with EG-TL playing on Proleague (which usually guarantees >10.000 average viewers) and Stephano playing for the first time in GSL in Group H (which was hyped all over the place). Proleague viewers were cut in half, while Stephano did not at all impact GSL's average viewerships. I think you're forgetting something. GSL is online only whereas Pro League is actually broadcasted on television in Korea. So, making a GSL vs Pro League in terms of numbers is useless if you don't have the total numbers to compare.
It's not completely useless. Obviously it doesn't show how many viewers there are at total.
But it does show a lot of people which watch over twitch.tv turn off PL to watch GSL.
It also doesn't show all GSL numbers as GSL also has their own streams (a korean too, even though it's not on the TV). So neither the GSL nor the PL stream shows all viewers. But i highly doubt that the TV numbers are good for SC2, as it's fairly unpopular in Korea. So overall i think GSL is maybe truely watched more.
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On February 02 2013 05:03 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 04:59 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 02 2013 00:35 Conti wrote:Now isn't that interesting? When they're not competing directly with each other, GSL viewer numbers are roughly equivalent to Proleague viewer when EG-TL is playing. When they are competing, however.. ouch! Proleague just has no chance at all against GSL, it seems.
Today was a special case, with EG-TL playing on Proleague (which usually guarantees >10.000 average viewers) and Stephano playing for the first time in GSL in Group H (which was hyped all over the place). Proleague viewers were cut in half, while Stephano did not at all impact GSL's average viewerships. I think you're forgetting something. GSL is online only whereas Pro League is actually broadcasted on television in Korea. So, making a GSL vs Pro League in terms of numbers is useless if you don't have the total numbers to compare. Which is what I said. I'm also missing the online numbers from people watching the Korean GSL stream as well as the English GSL stream on gomtv.net. So yes, this does not mean that only 5000 people watched Proleague today. I can only work with the data I have, and while it is not entirely accurate, it's still enough to show that, for us foreigners, GSL is more popular than Proleague.
I agree with this without question.
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stream viewers increased? but someone told me sc2 was dying
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On February 02 2013 05:04 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 04:59 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 02 2013 00:35 Conti wrote:Now isn't that interesting? When they're not competing directly with each other, GSL viewer numbers are roughly equivalent to Proleague viewer when EG-TL is playing. When they are competing, however.. ouch! Proleague just has no chance at all against GSL, it seems.
Today was a special case, with EG-TL playing on Proleague (which usually guarantees >10.000 average viewers) and Stephano playing for the first time in GSL in Group H (which was hyped all over the place). Proleague viewers were cut in half, while Stephano did not at all impact GSL's average viewerships. I think you're forgetting something. GSL is online only whereas Pro League is actually broadcasted on television in Korea. So, making a GSL vs Pro League in terms of numbers is useless if you don't have the total numbers to compare. It's not completely useless. Obviously it doesn't show how many viewers there are at total. But it does show a lot of people which watch over twitch.tv turn off PL to watch GSL. It also doesn't show all GSL numbers as GSL also has their own streams (a korean too, even though it's not on the TV). So neither the GSL nor the PL stream shows all viewers. But i highly doubt that the TV numbers are good for SC2, as it's fairly unpopular in Korea. So overall i think GSL is maybe truely watched more.
It might be it might not be. I don't live in Korea so I don't know if SC2 is unpopular over there or not. Only the numbers will tell once somebody can get them...if possible. Either way, Foreigners definitely favor GSL in every way possible but Koreans in general favor Pro League. Which is why It's hard to calculate without the actual numbers.
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i was wondering if you could include dota 2 if it's not a big hassle. i think those stats would be interesting as well
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On February 02 2013 05:10 akalarry wrote:
i was wondering if you could include dota 2 if it's not a big hassle. i think those stats would be interesting as well
I'm getting all stream data that's listed on teamliquid, that includes dota 2 streams. However, teamliquid only started covering dota 2 not too long ago, and people are registering their dota 2 streams here only little by little.
I see more and more dota 2 streamers on TL.net, though, so a month or two more and I could reasonably make such a list. However: a) There might still be some big dota 2 names missing from that list. I don't know. Which brings me to b) I don't play dota 2, and I know jack about the game. So I wouldn't really be able to do a nice write-up on the list. I could still present it if there's enough interest, though.
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On February 02 2013 05:15 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 05:10 akalarry wrote:
i was wondering if you could include dota 2 if it's not a big hassle. i think those stats would be interesting as well I'm getting all stream data that's listed on teamliquid, that includes dota 2 streams. However, teamliquid only started covering dota 2 not too long ago, and people are registering their dota 2 streams here only little by little. I see more and more dota 2 streamers on TL.net, though, so a month or two more and I could reasonably make such a list. However: a) There might still be some big dota 2 names missing from that list. I don't know. Which brings me to b) I don't play dota 2, and I know jack about the game. So I wouldn't really be able to do a nice write-up on the list. I could still present it if there's enough interest, though.
Yeah, no need to write an analysis about it. It would be pretty nice. Besides, it wouldn't be as sad as to watch the LoL numbers, hehe. There are often multiple LoL streamers with +10k-20k... Oh well it's just a popular game atm. Hope SC2 will get a boost with HotS. ^^
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If other teams don't step it up, EG is going to become my new favorite. Can't believe I'm saying that.
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On February 02 2013 05:21 danl9rm wrote:
If other teams don't step it up, EG is going to become my new favorite. Can't believe I'm saying that.
step up what?
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Woah! the competition between PL and GSL is huge!
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Sad to see such low viewer count During 2011 almost all are 10k viewers
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Thanks, as interesting as usual!
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I watch on Gom not twitch so if you want to add one more to GSL everyday, then you can
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On February 02 2013 02:20 Weavel wrote:
Desrow did the impossible. He streamed more than Hui!
Haha I really want to stream a lot more than that. 12hours everyday 30days a month is really tough and I got DDoS Today :D :D thanks conti for your awesome work!
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On February 02 2013 05:22 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 05:21 danl9rm wrote:
If other teams don't step it up, EG is going to become my new favorite. Can't believe I'm saying that. step up what?
The streaming. It's nice to get to watch your favorite players practice. Sometimes, you (by "you," I mean "I") wonder if they even are practicing.
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What do the numbers look like when you ad in the Korean TV audience for PL I wonder?
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On February 02 2013 02:58 tili wrote:
Wow, I'm really surprised that Group H of GSL (with Stephano) wasn't at 50% more than other groups! I'd be really interested to see if the GOMTV numbers went way up.
It seems impossible for them not to............
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Also, I'd venture to say Jaedong lost so many viewers because Stephano and him streamed simultaneously for 30-40% of the time (it seemed), and they surely share a large percentage of their viewer-base.
i actually observe a peak of 20K (20089) views when stephano playing, if DRG, its only 16K, so i am not entire sure the average viewers number is a good critique, might just use the peak number?
For yesterday, the peak number for PL is 6K while GSL is 21K,that really said something there.
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On February 02 2013 04:59 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:35 Conti wrote:Now isn't that interesting? When they're not competing directly with each other, GSL viewer numbers are roughly equivalent to Proleague viewer when EG-TL is playing. When they are competing, however.. ouch! Proleague just has no chance at all against GSL, it seems.
Today was a special case, with EG-TL playing on Proleague (which usually guarantees >10.000 average viewers) and Stephano playing for the first time in GSL in Group H (which was hyped all over the place). Proleague viewers were cut in half, while Stephano did not at all impact GSL's average viewerships. I think you're forgetting something. GSL is online only whereas Pro League is actually broadcasted on television in Korea. So, making a GSL vs Pro League in terms of numbers is useless if you don't have the total numbers to compare.
clearly its not useless, theres only one english cast for proleague
in terms of the korean viewers, it wont be a catching number, since lol is far far popular in Kr, and SC2 is over 20 in game rank. You can easily judge by yourself by looking at the actual audiences that showed up at the studio.
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one thread is fine.
EG should be quite happy with those numbers since I'm sure EG has a streaming requirement in their contracts for minimum hours. Also a good way for the players to get some extra bank ^^
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Oh man..... poor Koshka so wanted to make the top 50.
Could you check where Koshka (twitch.tv/koshka) ranked? She must have been close as she averaged about 140+ viewers for 80+ hours. (estimates)
Great work as always.
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On February 02 2013 05:08 nkr wrote:stream viewers increased? but someone told me sc2 was dying
Stream viewers are definitely on a downward trend......don't know how you came to your conclusion but a decent comparable measure for me was to look at the 30th streamer avg viewers across each month.
May: 981 viewers
June: 811 viewers
July: 705 viewers
August: 701 viewers
September: 636 viewers
October: 506 viewers
November: 459 viewers
December: 463 viewers
January: 667 viewers
Yes viewers did go up this month in comparison to the abysmal months of nov/dec but chances are it was because of the lack of tournaments in January making it an anomaly. I'm not with the "omg end of sc2" crowd but the viewer numbers are going down. I guess you can say the sc2 bubble popped and only the core viewers will stay while the flavor of the month crowd goes to another game to spectate.
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Good to see EG setting the standard here....less ppl streaming now, so some night its good to see 3-4 EG streaming.... Also Desrow been streaming like a beast lately too.
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On February 02 2013 08:46 dsousa wrote:
Oh man..... poor Koshka so wanted to make the top 50.
Could you check where Koshka (twitch.tv/koshka) ranked? She must have been close as she averaged about 140+ viewers for 80+ hours. (estimates)
Great work as always.
Hmm. I found KoshkaTV. According to my data, she had an averaged ~130 viewers last month with a peak of 401. The streaming time is ~67 hours, making this a v*h rating of ~8722. The 50th place of this month's list has a v*h rating of 11758, so she's not quite there yet.
The competition has gotten harder in the last few months, though. She would have been 44th in November's top 50 list with those stats.
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It pains me that a person and player like IdrA has more views than a person and player like Grubby.
Jaedong and Stephano are pretty much where they should be and its nice to see that Polt is up there as well.
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On February 02 2013 09:48 kafkaesque wrote:
It pains me that a person and player like IdrA has more views than a person and player like Grubby.
Jaedong and Stephano are pretty much where they should be and its nice to see that Polt is up there as well.
if i had to bet my life on a grubby vs idra bo5, i would pick idra. Grubby's recent results haven't been amazing, and idra is a whole 130 elo ranks ahead of grubby.
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Hey just wanted to say a big thank you for doing this! It's really cool!
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On February 02 2013 11:20 sLideSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 09:48 kafkaesque wrote:
It pains me that a person and player like IdrA has more views than a person and player like Grubby.
Jaedong and Stephano are pretty much where they should be and its nice to see that Polt is up there as well. if i had to bet my life on a grubby vs idra bo5, i would pick idra. Grubby's recent results haven't been amazing, and idra is a whole 130 elo ranks ahead of grubby.
Yeah and last time they played in a tournament idra 2-0'd iirc lol. That was funny he let his fanboyism cloud the truth :D
Thanks for the statistics I always enjoy reading them ^_^
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I love numbers and I love your work Conti !
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I see some Interesting statistics here. I like how heart of the swarm is calculated into it. I'm going to keep an eye out for Jaedong streaming.
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It not so surprising GSL is higher than Pro League just the production value between the two is so great I'd much prefer watching the GSL
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Interesting.
Conti deserves a star does anybody agree?
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