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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 12:39:13
December 27 2012 12:32 GMT
#81
Flash vs. Fantasy REMATCH MOTHERFUCKER

Not excited for Rain vs. Hero at all. Lategame got too stale.
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
December 27 2012 12:44 GMT
#82
On December 27 2012 17:32 Elite_ wrote:
Most likely will be good games:
TaeJa vs. Bogus
FanTaSy vs. Flash
Flash vs. Bogus
Zenio vs. Sacsri (Zenio vs. Zerg is usually >ep-ic!<... I highly recommend the two linked games if you have a hour.)
PuMa vs. FanTaSy (I know his game against sOs was disappointing, but this is PuMa vs. Terran.)
JYP vs. soO (I know it's PvZ, but it's JYPvZ. Not standard [Immortal Sentry/Infestor Brood Lord] PvZ.)
EffOrt vs. Jaehoon (If you like watching a hilariously bad ZvP player.)
sKyHigh vs. BaBy

Most likely will be good games if the series gets past game 4:
ThorZaIN vs. Classic
PuMa vs. Last
HerO vs. Rain

(Yes, I'm EG-TL biased in terms of good games, but I haven't seen enough of the other players to know if they're good.)

Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 16:13 Adersick wrote:
Thorzain on Arkanoid in TvT... I anxiously await to see how this pans out. I don't care what statistics say- Thorzain has this! EG-TL fighting!

If it even gets to game 5... I see a possible sweep for EG-TL... HerO's PvP has been amazing lately... JYP has to play Mini, which if JYP scouts the proxy 2rax coming, he'll win, and he usually scouts... Watch the Jaedong vs. ZerO VOD if you have any doubts in his ZvZ... and It's TaeJa... How can you doubt TaeJa? Even if it is Bogus, man...


i disagree, bogus will probably defeat taeja atm. also how can mini proxy2rax lol
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
December 27 2012 12:46 GMT
#83
On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:
On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol.

Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds.

I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun.


Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps.

WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO.


Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it.


Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim.

I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though.


daybreak is also widely considered a very wellmade perfect map, up until whirlwind came in, larger maps make for better and more balanced gameplay, whirlwind for example creates some of the best games ever, like ryung vs flash, ryung vs drg etc
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Blezza
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom191 Posts
December 27 2012 12:48 GMT
#84
Is the last week before round 2? if it is i need to trade beSt cuz he isnt playing this week...
Winners race > Other race I don't play > My race. How Twitch chat work in tournaments...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
December 27 2012 12:50 GMT
#85
On December 27 2012 21:48 Blezza wrote:
Is the last week before round 2? if it is i need to trade beSt cuz he isnt playing this week...

yup, it's the last week

On December 27 2012 21:46 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:
On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:
On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol.

Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds.

I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun.


Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps.

WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO.


Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it.


Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim.

I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though.


daybreak is also widely considered a very wellmade perfect map, up until whirlwind came in, larger maps make for better and more balanced gameplay, whirlwind for example creates some of the best games ever, like ryung vs flash, ryung vs drg etc

daybreak is pretty boring imo
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 12:52:36
December 27 2012 12:51 GMT
#86
On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:
On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol.

Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds.

I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun.


Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps.

WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO.


Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it.


Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim.

I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though.


Yes, but it's also a fair map which Tal'Darim is not. Let alone Steppes of War, lol.
I like playing TDA on ladder, I still think it's a cool map. But goddamn, it's not balanced.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
December 27 2012 12:57 GMT
#87
what do you guys think of these trades?

crazy-hydra for songduri
wooki for bbyong
hero[join] for flash on anti-team

last week, might as well go crazy haha
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 12:58:53
December 27 2012 12:58 GMT
#88
On December 27 2012 21:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:
On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:
On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol.

Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds.

I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun.


Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps.

WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO.


Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it.


Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim.

I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though.


Yes, but it's also a fair map which Tal'Darim is not. Let alone Steppes of War, lol.
I like playing TDA on ladder, I still think it's a cool map. But goddamn, it's not balanced.


Obsession with balance has also gotten us to a point of watching the most boring era of Starcraft since beta, and people are still unhappy with overall balance anyway, so not much was really accomplished anyway. I still have better memories of Steppes of War games than I have of Daybreak.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
December 27 2012 13:01 GMT
#89
JvZ on Jaedong Altar
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 13:02:17
December 27 2012 13:01 GMT
#90
On December 27 2012 21:57 opterown wrote:
what do you guys think of these trades?

crazy-hydra for songduri
wooki for bbyong
hero[join] for flash on anti-team

last week, might as well go crazy haha


Hmmm. Flash has to play Rain and Fantasy is pretty good too so I can kinda see that. I'd just pick HerO for main team already if I were you though
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
December 27 2012 13:04 GMT
#91
On December 27 2012 21:57 opterown wrote:
what do you guys think of these trades?

crazy-hydra for songduri
wooki for bbyong
hero[join] for flash on anti-team

last week, might as well go crazy haha

i think you were stupid for getting hero on your anti team haha
#TheOneTrueDong
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 27 2012 13:05 GMT
#92
On December 27 2012 21:58 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 21:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:
On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:
On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:
On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol.

Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds.

I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun.


Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps.

WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO.


Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it.


Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim.

I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though.


Yes, but it's also a fair map which Tal'Darim is not. Let alone Steppes of War, lol.
I like playing TDA on ladder, I still think it's a cool map. But goddamn, it's not balanced.


Obsession with balance has also gotten us to a point of watching the most boring era of Starcraft since beta, and people are still unhappy with overall balance anyway, so not much was really accomplished anyway. I still have better memories of Steppes of War games than I have of Daybreak.


Crossfire was one hell of a map. LR threads always complained about it then went wild every second game. If the fourth expansion was "better" then imo it would still be used. I wish people would take some of the older maps and try work them again.

Anyway, I sort of agree with the sentiment. We need variety, but at the same time people's careers are on the line here. It's not nice for a tournament to rig maps to be better for one race.

Team leagues allow better variations in maps over individual leagues. Unless they had a large map pool and vetoes(plural). As it is people have noted map pools in some tournaments being ridiculous,
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Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
December 27 2012 13:06 GMT
#93
Hope for more JvZ!
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 13:10:51
December 27 2012 13:09 GMT
#94
Saturday is going to be sick.
EGTL and one of the most amazing matches this season, also for my fantasy PL team.

fantasy (captain) vs flash
but then I have KT as my team^^ but also have soo in my team
Rain vs Wooki
see bisu get owned
confusing but incredible match
Meiffeltower
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden674 Posts
December 27 2012 13:55 GMT
#95
fanta flash
bogus flash
hero rain..
awww yeee
LEEEEE YOOOUUUUUNG HOOOOOO
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
December 27 2012 13:57 GMT
#96
Awesome matchups this week, I look forward to enjoying some quality TvT.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
December 27 2012 14:04 GMT
#97
On December 27 2012 21:44 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 17:32 Elite_ wrote:
Most likely will be good games:
TaeJa vs. Bogus
FanTaSy vs. Flash
Flash vs. Bogus
Zenio vs. Sacsri (Zenio vs. Zerg is usually >ep-ic!<... I highly recommend the two linked games if you have a hour.)
PuMa vs. FanTaSy (I know his game against sOs was disappointing, but this is PuMa vs. Terran.)
JYP vs. soO (I know it's PvZ, but it's JYPvZ. Not standard [Immortal Sentry/Infestor Brood Lord] PvZ.)
EffOrt vs. Jaehoon (If you like watching a hilariously bad ZvP player.)
sKyHigh vs. BaBy

Most likely will be good games if the series gets past game 4:
ThorZaIN vs. Classic
PuMa vs. Last
HerO vs. Rain

(Yes, I'm EG-TL biased in terms of good games, but I haven't seen enough of the other players to know if they're good.)

On December 27 2012 16:13 Adersick wrote:
Thorzain on Arkanoid in TvT... I anxiously await to see how this pans out. I don't care what statistics say- Thorzain has this! EG-TL fighting!

If it even gets to game 5... I see a possible sweep for EG-TL... HerO's PvP has been amazing lately... JYP has to play Mini, which if JYP scouts the proxy 2rax coming, he'll win, and he usually scouts... Watch the Jaedong vs. ZerO VOD if you have any doubts in his ZvZ... and It's TaeJa... How can you doubt TaeJa? Even if it is Bogus, man...


i disagree, bogus will probably defeat taeja atm. also how can mini proxy2rax lol



Well Taeja's TvP is nearly as good as last summer but his TvT is still super solid. Still we'll have to see what happens
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Habitus
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom120 Posts
December 27 2012 14:42 GMT
#98
Round 2 is All-Kill iirc so Round 3 is likely to be the time new maps are added in, if they are at all. Which should be after early rounds of GSL letting people still in practice maps in GSL while people out do the maps not in GSL.

Enjoying the Proleague so far even if not catching much of it live and having to watch it on youtube later
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 27 2012 14:47 GMT
#99
I'll most certainly buy a subscription soon. For PL and GSL. Too long time no korean starcraft.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
December 27 2012 14:58 GMT
#100
On December 27 2012 23:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'll most certainly buy a subscription soon. For PL and GSL. Too long time no korean starcraft.
i just have for pl.

The only problem i have atm is the lag with twitch vods in general
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