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CJ Entus Update #1 [Dec. 14, 2012]

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Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 13 2012 07:44 GMT
#1
Recaps

Proleague: CJ Entus vs Woongjin Stars

+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
(Wiki)CJ ENTUS vs (Wiki)Woongjin Stars
Set 1: (P)herO[jOin] < Caldeum > (Z)fOKINS
Set 2: (Z)Hydra < Cloud Kingdom > (P)Flying
Set 3: (T)Bbyong < Antiga Shipyard > (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey
Set 4: (Z)EffOrt < Ohana > (P)sHy
Set 5: (T)sKyHigh < Bifrost > (Z)ZerO
Set 6: (Z)SonGDuri < Arkanoid > (T)hOn_sin
Ace Match < Planet S >
CJ wins 4-1


(P)herO[jOin] played a wee bit funky but nothing too crazy, he ultimately killed the seemingly inferior (Z)fOKINS with a 3 base pre-Hive push, featuring a whole bunch of hallucinated Colossus. In the next set we watched the mental breakdown of (P)Flying as he rushed for Mothership on two base, got most of the tech, then expanded. The game was maybe a bit closer than it should have been but (Z)Hydra eventually came out with the win using standard zerg play. In our marquee match of (T)Bbyong vs (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey, we saw Bbyong rather handily hold off an early Ling/Roach/Bane bust and go into the macro game with a bit of an advantage. Keeping Soulkey to three base while taking a fourth himself and harassing heavily with dropships, Bbyong prevailed with the win after a nice long game. CJ's only loss of the night came from (Z)EffOrt at the hands of (P)sHy. Effort seemed to hold off the DT rush pretty well, but then got caught off guard by a funky Blink Stalker/Archon timing and wasn't able to live through it. Finally we had (T)sKyHigh proving himself to be a beastly Terran and upcoming ruiner of FPL anti teams as he showed one of the most flawlessly executed Mech TvZs I've seen to date, leaving (Z)ZerO seemingly helpless

Bbyong vs Nestea, GSL Code A

+ Show Spoiler [Results] +
Bbyong vs. NesTea
(T)Bbyong <Bel'Shir Vestige> (Z)NesTea
(T)Bbyong <Whirlwind> (Z)NesTea
(T)Bbyong <Entombed Valley> (Z)NesTea


In the Round of 32 of GSL Code A, (T)Bbyong faced a difficult situation. Not only is his opponent (Z)NesTea a strong player, he’s a fan favourite trying to make his return to glory. Either Bbyong wins and people dislike him for it, or he loses and he loses (duh). Right out the gate, Bbyong showed how little he cared about that and proxied two barracks. Nestea scouted them pretty late and was unable to mount any respectable defense so he died. On the bright side, it looked very relaxing for Nestea as he retreated to his main base and watched his 6 Drones mine for a while.

The next game went very differently. No cheese from Bbyong and Professor Tea played very intelligently for the map (read: greedy), securing himself a decent lead without much actually happening. Bbyong did the normal Marine/Tank fun stuff for a while and tried to kill Nestea with some suave multitasking. Unfortunately, Nestea’s defense proved pretty strong this game and eventually managed to take an insurmountable lead with an Ultralisk based army before ultimately closing out the win with the help of some Brood Lords and a few Infestors.

So what’s the obvious solution? Back to Two Barracks! But this time it was a macro version, making the Barracks on 12 and 14 food, with one at the main ramp and one at the natural ramp. Nestea barely doesn’t see the second barracks but holds off the Bunker rush without much difficulty anyway. We see Bbyong do the normal thing with 3 CC and 4 Barracks, then does some poking around the map with his Marines and does some decent damage. We get a pretty normal Marine/Tank macro TvZ, similar to the Whirlwind game but with the early game advantage now going Bbyong’s way. And with that, Bbyong manages to take the game and the series to move on to the next round!




Predictions

Proleague: CJ Entus vs EG-TL

(T)Bbyong <Tal'Darim Altar> (Z)Jaedong
(P)Bong[S.G] <Bifrost> (T)TaeJa
(P)herO[jOin] <Caldeum> (P)HuK
(Z)SonGDuri <Arkanoid> (T)ThorZaIN
(Z)Hydra <Cloud Kingdom> (P)HerO
(Z)EffOrt <Antiga Shipyard> (P)JYP

+ Show Spoiler [Ace] +
<Ohana>


The match kicks off with what might be the highlight of the set: (T)Bbyong against (Z)Jaedong. Jaedong looked really sketchy TvZ in his most recent Code A match while Bbyong seemed reasonably solid in both his match against Nestea and last week’s Proleauge match against (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey, so I’m inclined to give it to Bbyong. Then we have a newcomer called (P)Bong[S.G] who we haven’t seen since the Hybrid Proleague. That makes the match hard to predict, but his opponent is (T)TaeJa which makes it a lot easier. 1-1 we are!

Next we get (P)herO[jOin] against (P)HuK, two players probably best known for their PvP. Huk’s been looking very strong again recently but I’m not convinced it’ll be enough to bring down Horang2’s reincarnation and expect this match to bring about a CJ advantage in the set. Then we finally get our Arkanoid match! And it’s even a non-TvT as (Z)SonGDuri takes on (T)ThorZaIN. I don’t know anything about Songduri or even about Zerg on Arkanoid, but I’m inclined to lean in Thorzain’s favour if only because of the map.

We get to see another (P)HerO as the Liquid player takes on CJ’s (Z)Hydra. Hydra won last week’s match against the strong protoss player (P)Flying on this very map but he didn’t look particularly good doing it. Also the match is indeed taking place in the month of December so Hero should probably win this. Finally we see CJ’s superstar (Z)EffOrt take on EG’s (P)JYP. Though JYP hasn’t looked too hot lately, I’ve learned not to put any faith in Effort’s ZvP, so we get a 4-2 victory for EGTL by my predictions.

If I’m wrong about this (if the past is any indication, I absolutely am) and we get to see an ace match, I think the odds of us seeing a HerO/herO fight are pretty darn good. All I’ll say in regards to that match: Whoever wins, the casters lose.

Bbyong vs Polt, GSL Code A

In the final round of this season’s GSL Code A, we see Bbyong playing against (T)Polt to determine who goes to the Up & Downs and who goes straight to Code S. Bbyong looked pretty strong against Nestea last round but Polt’s been on a bit of a tear and is looking like one of the strongest Terran players around right now. There are many Code A Ro24 players I could favour Bbyong over, but the mighty Polt unfortunately isn’t one of them. Prove me wrong Bbyong!




Other Things

- This week Horang2 announced his retirement from Sc2. Very sad.

- I’ve made a CJ Entus Fan Club, go join it!

- I’ve started a weekly CJ Update to keep track of all things CJ. This is that. :D

+ Show Spoiler [Final Note] +
Dear moderators, sorry if this doesn’t belong here. I can keep it in blogs or even in the CJ Fan Club if need be, just say the word !

ne0lith
Profile Joined August 2011
537 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 08:33:29
December 13 2012 07:51 GMT
#2
I don't know why they keep making Thorzain play what seems to be his worst matchup, I'm his biggest fan but I think he has better chances in TvT or TvP.
Exigaet
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada355 Posts
December 13 2012 07:59 GMT
#3
It will be interesting to see how greedy players will be on Arkanoid. I can easily see 2 hatcheries before pool and/or 2-3 command centers before the barracks go down. Can't wait.
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
December 13 2012 07:59 GMT
#4
Blog.

Also, WHY NO herO vs HerO Seriously, you'd think they'd avoid risking playing HuK that early in favor of just sending out HerO.
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Exigaet
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada355 Posts
December 13 2012 08:05 GMT
#5
On December 13 2012 16:59 iKill wrote:
Blog.

Also, WHY NO herO vs HerO Seriously, you'd think they'd avoid risking playing HuK that early in favor of just sending out HerO.


I think pairing HuK against herO is a good choice. PvP has always been HuK's strongest matchup while ZvP has always been HerO's best matchup. We'll have to see how it goes, but they're good choices imo.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
December 13 2012 08:06 GMT
#6
Man, I hope it goes to Effort's game
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 13 2012 08:08 GMT
#7
As a big CJ fan i approve of this thread . I hope that it gets constantly updated !
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 13 2012 08:09 GMT
#8
I think I was indeed wrong with the section. Anyone with a report function want to report OP and say it should be moved to blogs? Cant report own post T_T
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
December 13 2012 08:12 GMT
#9
On December 13 2012 16:51 ne0lith wrote:
I don't know why they keep making Thorzain play what seems to be his worst matchup, I'm his biggest fan but I think he has better changes in TvT or TvP.

They dont..

The picks for each map are 'blind'; that is, they don't know who their opponent will send out on that particular map until they themselves have chosen and submitted their player. Then all matchups are released to both teams at the same time and they have time to prepare for the matches, and to consider who they will employ as their ace should the need arise.
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
December 13 2012 08:13 GMT
#10
I actually find the section to be entirely relevant, an in depth post covering a SC2 team feels like a solid SC2 General post.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 13 2012 08:16 GMT
#11
On December 13 2012 17:13 HopLight wrote:
I actually find the section to be entirely relevant, an in depth post covering a SC2 team feels like a solid SC2 General post.

Yeah thats what I was thinking at first, but the predictions are personal thoughts which seems kinda bloggy. I dont know really.

That said, if it was deemed appropriate or sc2 general I certainly wouldnt complain. There's like 20x the viewers here :D
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
December 13 2012 08:19 GMT
#12
i love it, hope other teams have their own thread like that too
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
December 13 2012 08:23 GMT
#13
I wouldn't completely write off JD. If memory serves correctly, TDA favors Muta play and that is what JD has been going with lately. JD could possibly run wild with mutas and snowball into victory... after he throws away 2500 resources worth of Infestors, of course.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
December 13 2012 08:25 GMT
#14
On December 13 2012 17:23 Dosey wrote:
I wouldn't completely write off JD. If memory serves correctly, TDA favors Muta play and that is what JD has been going with lately. JD could possibly run wild with mutas and snowball into victory... after he throws away 2500 resources worth of Infestors, of course.

Heh I'm not really writing no one off, but it wouldn't be much a prediction if you never picked someone you thought would win. Anything can go any way! (ish) :D
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 08:27:24
December 13 2012 08:26 GMT
#15
All the preview articles are personal thoughts really, what else could they be.

Pretty sure CJ would 4-0 here if not for Taeja. As it is, the last two games might prove to be fatal for them. That said, with good preparation, a competent player can beat Taeja in PvT (if he doesn't prepare well for the map and goes 3 CC or something).
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
December 13 2012 08:31 GMT
#16
Okay, I'll weigh in a bit on Arkanoid and Zerg...
Having never seen a zerg play on arkanoid, I have no idea how it's going to play out, but I'm inclined to believe that Zerg will opt for a fast 3hatch (for obvious reasons). From here it gets kinda weird - I suppose Z would favor mutalingbling due to the possibility of air harass (from both players - I can see ThorZaiN going for a fast 3CC with banshee), but the terran will likely opt for mech because of the map layout, which mutalingbling is horrible against. That might push Z towards roach infestor with drops, which is also very viable here if SonGDuri is inclined to harass.

However, ThorZaiN will undoubtedly be prepared for drops because of the map layout, so he might invest a bit more heavily into vikings + turrets + sensor towers. Copious sensor tower usage will likely dissuade SonGDuri from harassing too heavily, so he might try to lay back and turtle to infestor BL with roaches for support.

ThorZaiN will know that because of scouting, so he'll be inclined to do a pre-max push with tanks and thors. The question is, will SonGDuri be prepared? There's only 3 chokes to attack through. He'll be turtling.


Another option for ThorZaiN would be to go heavy bio and just abuse the shit out of drops, but that'll be hard because bio will push SonGDuri towards mutas, and there's not a terribly big base area to defend when you really look at the map.
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ne0lith
Profile Joined August 2011
537 Posts
December 13 2012 08:33 GMT
#17
On December 13 2012 17:12 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 16:51 ne0lith wrote:
I don't know why they keep making Thorzain play what seems to be his worst matchup, I'm his biggest fan but I think he has better changes in TvT or TvP.

They dont..

The picks for each map are 'blind'; that is, they don't know who their opponent will send out on that particular map until they themselves have chosen and submitted their player. Then all matchups are released to both teams at the same time and they have time to prepare for the matches, and to consider who they will employ as their ace should the need arise.


Oh, didn't know that, thanks.
khaydarin9
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia423 Posts
December 13 2012 08:33 GMT
#18
(-.-)

This is the first season I haven't had skyhigh on my FPL </3
Be safe, Woo Jung Ho <3
Exigaet
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada355 Posts
December 13 2012 08:34 GMT
#19
On December 13 2012 17:31 iKill wrote:
Okay, I'll weigh in a bit on Arkanoid and Zerg...
Having never seen a zerg play on arkanoid, I have no idea how it's going to play out, but I'm inclined to believe that Zerg will opt for a fast 3hatch (for obvious reasons). From here it gets kinda weird - I suppose Z would favor mutalingbling due to the possibility of air harass (from both players - I can see ThorZaiN going for a fast 3CC with banshee), but the terran will likely opt for mech because of the map layout, which mutalingbling is horrible against. That might push Z towards roach infestor with drops, which is also very viable here if SonGDuri is inclined to harass.

However, ThorZaiN will undoubtedly be prepared for drops because of the map layout, so he might invest a bit more heavily into vikings + turrets + sensor towers. Copious sensor tower usage will likely dissuade SonGDuri from harassing too heavily, so he might try to lay back and turtle to infestor BL with roaches for support.

ThorZaiN will know that because of scouting, so he'll be inclined to do a pre-max push with tanks and thors. The question is, will SonGDuri be prepared? There's only 3 chokes to attack through. He'll be turtling.


Another option for ThorZaiN would be to go heavy bio and just abuse the shit out of drops, but that'll be hard because bio will push SonGDuri towards mutas, and there's not a terribly big base area to defend when you really look at the map.


I think it's safe to say we'll be seeing "The Spoon Terran" in full force for this match. :D
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
December 13 2012 08:37 GMT
#20
On December 13 2012 17:12 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 16:51 ne0lith wrote:
I don't know why they keep making Thorzain play what seems to be his worst matchup, I'm his biggest fan but I think he has better changes in TvT or TvP.

They dont..

The picks for each map are 'blind'; that is, they don't know who their opponent will send out on that particular map until they themselves have chosen and submitted their player. Then all matchups are released to both teams at the same time and they have time to prepare for the matches, and to consider who they will employ as their ace should the need arise.

EG has been pretty unlucky with picks so far, nearly all the players get their worst match-up
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