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[Interview] Code S Semi Finals 2012 GSL Season 5

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Where dat snitch at?37014 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 19:28:21
December 01 2012 09:32 GMT
#1
(Z)TSL_HyuNstoppable

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Source: This Is Game

How do you feel about making it to the finals?

Back in 2006, I debuted as a pro gamer through ProLeague. And during those seven years, the highest position I had ever achieved in my individual results was the Ro24. I was already happy that I had made it to the Ro16 of this season's Code S, but I am so happy right now because I was able to make it to the finals. I want to keep on riding this momentum and win the championship.

Did you not know about the proxy two rax build in game one?

By the time I had find out about it, it was too late for me to do anything about it. I normally scout thoroughly for my TvZs but I did not think about the possibility of proxy raxes for game one. I wasn't in a bad situation or anything but after I suffered damage because of that attack, I hadn't practiced for that kind of scenario so I didn't know what to do afterwards. Which is why I lost.

What was the secret to you being able to win three games in a row afterwards?

I just decided to forget about game one because it was just a build order loss. The maps were really good for me after game one so I had confidence. I think I was able to play comfortably cause I viewed it as a new starting line.

How do you feel about a ZvZ finals?

I think it sucks. ZvZs are really boring and mirror matches bore me. I also think that if Zergs keep on winning like this, we're going to get nerfed so it's not good for us. We already have enough pressure on us because of all the whining Protoss players are saying to the press. Personally, I do think that Zergs have the advantage for ZvTs but ZvPs are 50/50.

Nowadays, what is the standard these days for ZvZs?

I think it's all about mutalisks. Feels like more and more Zergs are using mutas these days. Even the ZvZs that went on for IPL, I saw a ton of mutalisks being used.

The maps have been released for the finals. How do you feel about the contest?

If it was a bo5 I think there would be a contest but since this is a bo7, I don't think there will be a contest. Instead, I think it's going to be a battle of stamina.

What kind of score are you expecting?

I feel like I'm going to 4-0 this but I still want to have fun games. But even if we do produce good games, I doubt we're going to be able to put on a good performance for the audience since it's a ZvZ (laughs). I'm pretty sure that even the professional players in Korea, aside from my teammates, will not be watching the finals.

You have a chance to become the oldest royal roader.

I think that's a great thing. I really want to achieve it. I want to achieve the dream that NesTea hyung was never able to achieve. I feel good because it will be my own title and this is a once in a lifetime opportunity so I do not want to miss it. And I also really want that excalibur sword that Life earned. I want to swing it around at the team house once I get it (laughs).

Are you feeling any pressure from having to play in the finals a day right after the semi finals?

I am strong in this kind of area. I really like fast paced matches and improvisations. This is not that bad for me.

Would you like to comment for the finals?

I finally have a chance that I was never able to get for the longest time in my pro gaming career. I will grab this season's GSL championship and grab the oldest royal roader title. The GSL Tour Finals is coming up and if I can grab the championship for this season's GSL, then I get a chance to play in that tournament. I want to grab a bunch of rabbits at once.

Anything else you would like to say?

I am an old player so I don't really have that many opportunities ahead of me. But since Sniper is young and has a ton of chances to grab, looks like I'm going to have to take this one.

(Z)MVP_Sniped Ryung

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How do you feel about making it to the finals?

I feel really good. But I am not really happy. I'm just not really feeling it. It's just good. I think I'll really feel something once I grab the championship.

You were looking to be in a great position after grabbing the first two games.

I figured that it was pretty much over. I was actually worrying about winning this too easily. Which is why I ended up letting my guard down and almost allowed a comeback to happen.

How did you feel when the match went all the way to game five?

I felt really anxious. But the map was Daybreak, a map that I practice a ton on on average so I didn't feel like I was going to lose. I felt like as long as he didn't 11-11 me, I had this in the bag.

Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.

How do you feel about a ZvZ finals?

I wanted to face Bogus so this end result was disappointing. I don't mind playing ZvZs but I don't think a mirror match finals will be entertaining. I feel worried for the fans.

What is the standard these days for ZvZs?

I think these days, mutalisks are really good. Mutalisks give you a lot of benefits. It works really well when your opponent doesn't expect it, and mutalisks also give you a lot of great edges in good situations.

The maps have been released for the finals. How do you feel about the contest?

We have to play on all seven maps so I don't think there's going to be any influences for ZvZs.

What kind of score are you expecting?

I think I'm going to take it with about a score of 4-1. I can't really explain why, I just feel like it's going to be a 4-1.

Of the four players from the semi finals of Code S, you are the only one still alive in IPL 5. Do you think you can grab both championships?

I think that's going to be impossible. A lot of players are telling me to hurry up and get eliminated from IPL 5 because it's not going to be good for me to expect to win two championships. I don't really feel a greed to win two championships but since I am approaching my tournaments without putting any pressure on myself, I think I'll be able to do it. I don't really want to win two championships, but I do want to play all my matches without feeling any burdens.

Are you feeling any pressure from having to play in the finals a day right after the semi finals?

I am so tired right now. But it is going to be a mirror match so I just need to stick to the basics without really needing to prepare anything special.

Would you like to comment for the finals?

Until last season, my goals were pretty weak. I chose my goal for this season to grab the championship and I think ever since then, my goals have been getting higher and higher so I was able to make it to the finals. I also was able to make it this far because Killer hyung was always giving me great advice. Since I was able to make it to the finals, I will make sure I grab the championship this time.

Anything else you would like to say?

Last time I thanked Killer hyung, I accidentally called him a coach so he received a lot of concerns from all kinds of people. I want to make it clear that Killer hyung is only the team's captain and that he still plans on functioning as a professional gamer. I hope this cleared up any misunderstandings.



Additional interviews by Slasher:

Hyun: http://www.gamespot.com/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/videos/hyun-talks-about-beating-innovation-to-make-the-gsl-code-s-final-6400901/

Sniper: http://www.gamespot.com/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/videos/sniper-talks-about-his-semis-win-and-making-the-code-s-final-6400903/



The voice of reason. Thank you Ollie.
On December 02 2012 02:10 Ollie wrote:
You should all be ashamed of yourself. Ryung played really bad in that last game, forgetting Siege mode and making a lot of other mistakes. Sniper has worked his ass off to get where he is now, and Ryung COMPLETELY discredited his win by what he did in a live premiere tournament. Do you have any idea how that would feel? All of a sudden, all of Sniper's work means nothing, and he only won because Zerg is imbalanced. He must have felt terrible after that game. Don't act like Ryung is a hero speaking the truth while Sniper is some cocky kid that needs to be put in his place. They both made controversial comments, and they both handled it very poorly.

As a community, though, we need to stop being so judgemental over a player's actions, and instead focus on how well they play the game. Sniper is a player that has excellent mechanics and was praised by his teammates for a long time. Remember in his PvZs, when he would show excellent micro from his Roaches and Zerglings baiting forcefields in order to stop the Sentry/Immortal all-in? That has nothing to do with Infestors/Broodlords or even Queens for that matter. Get a hold of yourself and stop saying that Sniper was a no talent punk before the Queen patch. He will be around after Zerg is nerfed into the ground, because he's a GOOD player. And you know what? So will Ryung, because he's a GOOD player.
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Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
December 01 2012 09:35 GMT
#2
:D nice interview, so quick!
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mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
December 01 2012 09:35 GMT
#3
Keep up the good work

I really like that sniper made it to the finals
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
RandomRice
Profile Joined January 2011
United States303 Posts
December 01 2012 09:38 GMT
#4
This will be Hyun's biggest Fight Club yet
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
December 01 2012 09:38 GMT
#5
Hyun fighting!
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ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
December 01 2012 09:39 GMT
#6
Aslong as it doesn't get as bad as the last ZvZ final, there should be atleast some good games...hopefully.
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 09:56:02
December 01 2012 09:43 GMT
#7
How do you feel about a ZvZ finals?

I think it sucks. ZvZs are really boring and mirror matches bore me. I also think that if Zergs keep on winning like this, we're going to get nerfed so it's not good for us. We already have enough pressure on us because of all the whining Protoss players are saying to the press. Personally, I do think that Zergs have the advantage for ZvTs but ZvPs is 50/50.


:O

Nowadays, what is the standard for ZvZs?

I think it's all about mutalisks. Feels like more and more Zergs are using mutas these days. Even the ZvZs that went on for IPL, I saw a ton of mutalisks being used.

apparently even though "nerfing infestors will bring on the mutasuuu in ZvZ!!!" complaints were thrown around, it doesn't make a difference anyways

(Edit:
and crap. there goes my random 5000 post.
then again I never did anything special for X post count stuff
>_>)
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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 09:53:14
December 01 2012 09:49 GMT
#8

I do think that Zergs have the advantage for ZvTs but ZvPs is 50/50.


The truth has been spoken by a Zerg player Thanks seeker for translating
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Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
December 01 2012 09:58 GMT
#9

I do think that Zergs have the advantage for ZvTs but ZvPs is 50/50.

Is he questioning Dustin!?? Blashemy! Everything is 50/50, has always been and will always be!

RandomRice
Profile Joined January 2011
United States303 Posts
December 01 2012 10:25 GMT
#10
Oh snap. Sniper calling out Terran players.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 01 2012 10:26 GMT
#11
Well, i much prefered Hyun's interview but i'm also a fan of him. I agree with Hyun's view of balance also.
Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
December 01 2012 10:28 GMT
#12
New patch for January? :o
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 01 2012 10:29 GMT
#13
ah sniper calling out terrans
MagmaPunch
Profile Joined November 2011
Bulgaria536 Posts
December 01 2012 10:32 GMT
#14
Hohoo, zerg imbeciles, I am gonna be so happy when you get nerfed. Calling other players they have no skill when you play the race with arguably the lowest skill cap ( be able to inject well + spend you money = GG)

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yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
December 01 2012 10:33 GMT
#15
Time for HyuN to grab some rabbits. ^^
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 01 2012 10:36 GMT
#16
lol hyun and sniper's responses are so different.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 10:40:20
December 01 2012 10:39 GMT
#17
I want Hyun to stomp Sniper in the finals so bad lol
Snipers world will burn.
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padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
December 01 2012 10:42 GMT
#18
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club
Stop procrastinating
Eruism
Profile Joined December 2011
United States312 Posts
December 01 2012 10:54 GMT
#19
Hyun 4-0 sniper please
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nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
December 01 2012 10:56 GMT
#20
Hyun will rape this kid ....
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WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
December 01 2012 10:56 GMT
#21
Hyun bringing the anti-hype.
trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
December 01 2012 11:01 GMT
#22
Wow baller interview from sniper.
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
December 01 2012 11:04 GMT
#23
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club

Ryung failed a proxy 2 rax (unscouted) and then forgot siege mode in the last game, having the attitude to blame imbalance. Definitely Ryung has shown some extremely solid TvZ in the past, but this series was just bad from him. This made me less a fan of Ryung by a lot.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18379 Posts
December 01 2012 11:05 GMT
#24
how can hyun be a royal roader o.o
willfeeling
Profile Joined August 2012
China97 Posts
December 01 2012 11:13 GMT
#25
fuxk you sniper, you are shameless

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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 01 2012 11:13 GMT
#26
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.


ohhhhh! Sniper doesn't give a f--- ! :p
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
December 01 2012 11:16 GMT
#27
Hahaha, Sniper speaking the truth about Terran players.
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mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
December 01 2012 11:20 GMT
#28
Who cares about what Ryung said about the game?

Sniper won the fucking game and thats what really matters. Ryung is just

butthurt cuz he didnt make it to the finals by blaming TvZ balance. Pathetic

move tbh.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 01 2012 11:21 GMT
#29
Seems Sniper doesn't want zergs to be nerfed.
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
December 01 2012 11:21 GMT
#30
Sniper tried to be a cool hipster lolol
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
December 01 2012 11:24 GMT
#31
Sniper is awesome.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 11:29 GMT
#32
photos are so noisy o.O

thanks for the trans
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Dragt
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany73 Posts
December 01 2012 11:31 GMT
#33
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".
WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
December 01 2012 11:31 GMT
#34
ahahah Sniper what a baller. good luck!!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 11:33 GMT
#35
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun
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MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
December 01 2012 11:34 GMT
#36
Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
December 01 2012 11:37 GMT
#37
That amount of hate from terran players are tiring. I almost wish Blizzard didn't release any statement about balance, that legitimates the whining, and discredits every wins a Zerg player can pull.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 11:39 GMT
#38
On December 01 2012 20:05 sharkie wrote:
how can hyun be a royal roader o.o

he hasn't been in code s before
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
December 01 2012 11:39 GMT
#39
Get lost, Sniper.

If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
December 01 2012 11:39 GMT
#40
On December 01 2012 20:04 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club

Ryung failed a proxy 2 rax (unscouted) and then forgot siege mode in the last game, having the attitude to blame imbalance. Definitely Ryung has shown some extremely solid TvZ in the past, but this series was just bad from him. This made me less a fan of Ryung by a lot.


Did he actually forget, or was it apart of his (greedy) build? I thought it was just late, since he was playing extremely greedy that game with his early 3rd CC
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
December 01 2012 11:41 GMT
#41
Even the ZvZs that went on for IPL, I saw a ton of mutalisks being used.

Translation: Even in third-world tournaments like this one, players sort of know what buttons to press.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 01 2012 11:41 GMT
#42
Hope Hyun will win, just because he wants it so much. But you shouldn't qq about a race crying imba, atleast when you play Zerg and the Era of Zerg Tears is still in the mind of people.
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
December 01 2012 11:42 GMT
#43
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote:
Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.


Are you trying to imply that the people who don't even play the goddamn game are more knowledgeable and less biased?
I mean simply by not playing the game they're already to some degree less qualified, that's just how it is. An active player, especially at the top, has in most cases a better understanding in some regards.

And I wish people who don't play the game are less biased, but there are only few like that.
What we really got are a lot of armchair coaches who also coincidentally have the deepest understanding of gamedesign and balance, who if in charge of the game would turn it into perfection.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 01 2012 11:42 GMT
#44
Crush him HyuN.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 11:44 GMT
#45
On December 01 2012 20:42 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote:
Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.


Are you trying to imply that the people who don't even play the goddamn game are more knowledgeable and less biased?
I mean simply by not playing the game they're already to some degree less qualified, that's just how it is. An active player, especially at the top, has in most cases a better understanding in some regards.

true, but active players have their own vested interests. people who don't play care less about balance and more so for entertaining games imo
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 11:45:41
December 01 2012 11:45 GMT
#46
On December 01 2012 18:32 SeeKeR wrote:
Terran players are shameless.

Aww man did he really have to say that On TL that'd probably even get you a warning or something.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
December 01 2012 11:46 GMT
#47
boooooo sniper :<

hyun better 4-0 him and make sure he recieves the runner up curse
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Profile Joined July 2012
France204 Posts
December 01 2012 11:46 GMT
#48
Thank you Seeker as usual.
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Zoku
Profile Joined November 2010
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Last Edited: 2012-12-01 11:51:01
December 01 2012 11:50 GMT
#49
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.


Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 11:51 GMT
#50
On December 01 2012 20:39 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:04 oOOoOphidian wrote:
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club

Ryung failed a proxy 2 rax (unscouted) and then forgot siege mode in the last game, having the attitude to blame imbalance. Definitely Ryung has shown some extremely solid TvZ in the past, but this series was just bad from him. This made me less a fan of Ryung by a lot.


Did he actually forget, or was it apart of his (greedy) build? I thought it was just late, since he was playing extremely greedy that game with his early 3rd CC

Well if it was that he forgot or it was planned later. It had nothing to do with imba imba imba and was his own fault.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 11:53 GMT
#51
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
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scsnow
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovenia515 Posts
December 01 2012 11:54 GMT
#52
ZvZ finals? How surprising!
Osyrul
Profile Joined February 2012
257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 11:55:22
December 01 2012 11:54 GMT
#53
Damn, Sniper's interview.
Good mindset of him i suppose.
EDIT: And ty Seeker
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
December 01 2012 11:55 GMT
#54
Sniper's pissed off that his opponent discredited his win in front of everyone? So surprising.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 01 2012 11:56 GMT
#55
haha Sniper needs to dress up as Darth Sidious, he may very well surplant BitbyBit and Rain as top gsl villain if he keeps killing fan favs and making comments like that.

I just have this image of him leaning back in ecstasy saying: "gooood...good" as poor Ryung spams "Imba" in frustration.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 01 2012 12:09 GMT
#56
Sniper is doing a good job to make people dislike him even more.

Good work new GSL Villain.
Zoku
Profile Joined November 2010
307 Posts
December 01 2012 12:15 GMT
#57
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 12:17 GMT
#58
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun
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CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 12:22:20
December 01 2012 12:21 GMT
#59
On December 01 2012 21:09 Dodgin wrote:
Sniper is doing a good job to make people dislike him even more.

Good work new GSL Villain.

Not only that, he already knocked out MC, TaeJa, Huk and two other foreigners out of IPL5 and will now face HerO. My assumption was right, he only dropped to the loser's bracket to eliminate more fan favorites.
I can't imagine what will happen if he beats HyuN at the finals and knocks out HerO out of IPL5...

On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

But .... we like HyuN.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
December 01 2012 12:22 GMT
#60
During the very early GSLs you didn't see zerg scream IMBA IMBA in the chat. Was actually quite disgusting behaviour from Ryung.
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nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
December 01 2012 12:22 GMT
#61
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the ghost nerf and queen buff?

FIX
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 01 2012 12:23 GMT
#62
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 12:31:16
December 01 2012 12:24 GMT
#63
sniper gonna have 0 fans if he keeps this up.
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jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
December 01 2012 12:24 GMT
#64
Thanks for the translations Seeker. I'm glad that Sniper said what he truly felt and didn't dodge the question or give some bs answer. I am hoping that Hyun takes it though!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 12:25 GMT
#65
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

i was replying to the zero results bit.
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MaNaVoId
Profile Joined February 2012
492 Posts
December 01 2012 12:26 GMT
#66
that patchzerg sniper talks like a real faggot saying terran players are shameless when most zerg players do think zerg is op agaonst terran. He is the shameless one

User was banned for this post.
Zoku
Profile Joined November 2010
307 Posts
December 01 2012 12:26 GMT
#67
On December 01 2012 21:25 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

i was replying to the zero results bit.


And I was making the point that he shouldn't act all cocky, saying someone has no skill, when he only got "results" once people started saying zerg imba.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 01 2012 12:28 GMT
#68
Really hope Hyun wins. I don't know, when there are two players in the finals that I have no particular attachments to I always go for the one who would make the better storyline and 'zerg who has been amazing for ages but couldn't translate it to results in GSL' is a better storyline than 'so called second best zerg on MVP wins tournament'.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
December 01 2012 12:31 GMT
#69
Lol pretty convenient for Sniper to pull the "complainers are just no-skill whiners card" when he's playing the strongest race in the current metagame. Fungal has problems and the fact that Blizzard is exploring options to nerf it implies that they feel that it's too strong. Though I admit that Ryung's "IMBA IMBA IMBA" wasn't appropriate, it doesn't change the fact that people are indeed complaining in more appropriate ways and that those complaints are legitimate.
iGX
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia414 Posts
December 01 2012 12:31 GMT
#70
i want hyun to beat sniper but lets not start talking about who achieved what. it'll be awhile before hyun can achieve what nestea HAS achieved.
When your bases are ashes...then you have my permission to "GG".
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 12:34 GMT
#71
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
December 01 2012 12:36 GMT
#72
On December 01 2012 21:31 iGX wrote:
i want hyun to beat sniper but lets not start talking about who achieved what. it'll be awhile before hyun can achieve what nestea HAS achieved.


why did you make a comparison between hyun and nestea, not very relevant lol.
if you wanna compare anything hyun has actually had online results( a ton of them) + he was actually good in bw
where as sniper had an all-kill vs a dead Slayers lol
well it doesn't really matter though.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 01 2012 12:36 GMT
#73
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


These interviews are done right after the games are over so he was likely very pissed off that Ryung discredited his win in the chat in the GSL semi finals.

It's understandable, I suppose.

He's kidding himself if he thinks the game balance is perfect, though.
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
December 01 2012 12:36 GMT
#74
Hah, Sniper gained a fan today.

I love Ryung and HyuN, but I love shameless BM even more. Sniper is starting to grow into this villain role people have been putting him into. I fully expect to see him don a trench coat, monocle and top hat for next year's GSL group selection.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 12:37 GMT
#75
On December 01 2012 21:36 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:31 iGX wrote:
i want hyun to beat sniper but lets not start talking about who achieved what. it'll be awhile before hyun can achieve what nestea HAS achieved.


why did you make a comparison between hyun and nestea, not very relevant lol.
if you wanna compare anything hyun has actually had online results( a ton of them) + he was actually good in bw
where as sniper had an all-kill vs a dead Slayers lol
well it doesn't really matter though.

sniper has done a lot more than that
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 01 2012 12:37 GMT
#76
On December 01 2012 21:36 iKill wrote:
Hah, Sniper gained a fan today.

I love Ryung and HyuN, but I love shameless BM even more. Sniper is starting to grow into this villain role people have been putting him into. I fully expect to see him don a trench coat, monocle and top hat for next year's GSL group selection.


where he ties MKP to a railroad :D
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
December 01 2012 12:38 GMT
#77
On December 01 2012 21:36 iKill wrote:
Hah, Sniper gained a fan today.

I love Ryung and HyuN, but I love shameless BM even more. Sniper is starting to grow into this villain role people have been putting him into. I fully expect to see him don a trench coat, monocle and top hat for next year's GSL group selection.


hyunstoppable will save us.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
December 01 2012 12:39 GMT
#78
Sniper confirmed in his interview that he will not use any mutalisk builds vs Hyun lol.
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MaNaVoId
Profile Joined February 2012
492 Posts
December 01 2012 12:39 GMT
#79
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
December 01 2012 12:40 GMT
#80
On December 01 2012 21:37 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:36 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:31 iGX wrote:
i want hyun to beat sniper but lets not start talking about who achieved what. it'll be awhile before hyun can achieve what nestea HAS achieved.


why did you make a comparison between hyun and nestea, not very relevant lol.
if you wanna compare anything hyun has actually had online results( a ton of them) + he was actually good in bw
where as sniper had an all-kill vs a dead Slayers lol
well it doesn't really matter though.

sniper has done a lot more than that

like what ?
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MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
December 01 2012 12:41 GMT
#81
On December 01 2012 21:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
During the very early GSLs you didn't see zerg scream IMBA IMBA in the chat. Was actually quite disgusting behaviour from Ryung.


How many Balancecomplains did you see in all gsls combined? Koreans are not really known for it. Seems that progamers are so desperate that they try the last thing they want just to get blizzards attention somehow.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
December 01 2012 12:42 GMT
#82
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.


he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.

Moderatorlickypiddy
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 01 2012 12:43 GMT
#83
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.

Yeah, when he says it like that it just proves that it's been on his mind for some time and you can bet he's received more criticism.

I honestly hope Ryung gets some punishment, the IMBA IMBA is not suited for a progamer whatsoever.

Sad for Bogus Hope Hyun wins it
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 12:43 GMT
#84
On December 01 2012 21:40 nOondn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:37 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:36 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:31 iGX wrote:
i want hyun to beat sniper but lets not start talking about who achieved what. it'll be awhile before hyun can achieve what nestea HAS achieved.


why did you make a comparison between hyun and nestea, not very relevant lol.
if you wanna compare anything hyun has actually had online results( a ton of them) + he was actually good in bw
where as sniper had an all-kill vs a dead Slayers lol
well it doesn't really matter though.

sniper has done a lot more than that

like what ?

ripping up the LB at IPL5
getting to GSL finals
7-2 record in IPLTAC, often as ace for his team http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Team_Arena_Challenge/3/Statistics
7-1 record in GSTL http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_Team_League_Season_2/Statistics

he's been a strong, solid zerg for a while. sure, he's had a bit of luck getting to the finals, but he's definitely a better player than most people would like to think
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MaNaVoId
Profile Joined February 2012
492 Posts
December 01 2012 12:44 GMT
#85
On December 01 2012 21:42 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.


he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.


Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 12:45 GMT
#86
On December 01 2012 21:44 MaNaVoId wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:42 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.


he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.


Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.

he was complaining about zerg op when he was winning 3 GSLs a year :p
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 12:46:15
December 01 2012 12:45 GMT
#87
On December 01 2012 21:44 MaNaVoId wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:42 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.


he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.


Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.

Mvp also said terran was the weakest race back in 2011 when you had utter domination...
MistSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden583 Posts
December 01 2012 12:48 GMT
#88
hopefully HyuN wins.
Maru, TY, Clem <3
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 12:50 GMT
#89
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.

Before calling someone a fanboy at least try to understand how Sniper felt.
He just got to the finals of the most prestigious and instead of gg'ing normally Ryung discredits his win.
Combine this with all the zerg imba whine everywhere i am sure that was just the last drop and he sorta exploded, hence the knee-jerk reaction.
Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 12:52:08
December 01 2012 12:51 GMT
#90
Sniper has some balls. I will be rooting for him even though he insulted the Terran race, hell, maybe because of it. He both acknowledged imba and talked shit about other players like a pro. Real talk. I hope his championship acceptance interview is also full of delicious BM.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2952 Posts
December 01 2012 12:51 GMT
#91
How do you feel about a ZvZ finals?

I think it sucks. ZvZs are really boring and mirror matches bore me. I also think that if Zergs keep on winning like this, we're going to get nerfed so it's not good for us. We already have enough pressure on us because of all the whining Protoss players are saying to the press. Personally, I do think that Zergs have the advantage for ZvTs but ZvPs are 50/50.


Both seem to be true to me. PvZ is really not consistent, one week the Protoss dominate everything, a week later the Zerg do and another week later it's back in favour of the Protoss. That's probably why they cancelled the "Fungal nerf vs psyonic", PvZ can't be fixed by just some simple nerfs, they should rather keep PvZ the way it is (Broken, but balanced) and try to fix ZvT somehow.

And to all the whiners, because Sniper said Ryung has no skill: Ryung kinda did the same, didn't he? I mean, at least SOME modesty should be given in a semi final. These "IMBAIMBAIMBA" whines of Ryung were just stupid and preposterous and completely out of place. I totally understand Sniper's reaction, to be honest.
No one expected Ryung to go this far in the tournament and now he's explaining his loss in the SEMI FINALS, with some balance whines? I mean, I agree that Zerg might have a slight advantage in ZvT, but Ryung's behaviour was just not fair at all.

keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
December 01 2012 12:53 GMT
#92
On December 01 2012 21:45 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:44 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:42 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
[quote]
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.


he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.


Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.

Mvp also said terran was the weakest race back in 2011 when you had utter domination...


You forgot part " on new GSL big maps" .
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
December 01 2012 13:03 GMT
#93
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
Progamer
iLevitate
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
December 01 2012 13:05 GMT
#94
Imba.


User was warned for this post
You lose, You learn
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:08:27
December 01 2012 13:05 GMT
#95
On December 01 2012 21:53 keglu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:45 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:44 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:42 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
[quote]
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.


he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.


Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.

Mvp also said terran was the weakest race back in 2011 when you had utter domination...


You forgot part " on new GSL big maps" .

And yet it didn't stop the terran from dominating.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:09:47
December 01 2012 13:08 GMT
#96
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 13:13 GMT
#97
On December 01 2012 22:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.

Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 01 2012 13:14 GMT
#98
On December 01 2012 22:13 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.

Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.


It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
December 01 2012 13:17 GMT
#99
Thanks for the interviews!
Sniper sure has a knack for being a bad boy, haha.
Does anyone know if Ryung will be punished for his "imba, imba"? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I believe typing anything but gl/hf, ppp and gg and the likes was forbidden.
Get off my lawn, young punks
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
December 01 2012 13:19 GMT
#100
On December 01 2012 22:17 ACrow wrote:
Thanks for the interviews!
Sniper sure has a knack for being a bad boy, haha.
Does anyone know if Ryung will be punished for his "imba, imba"? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I believe typing anything but gl/hf, ppp and gg and the likes was forbidden.

That's Kespa rules, and if strictly enforced, stuff like "gl in finals" would technically be in violation as well.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
December 01 2012 13:19 GMT
#101
It's quite disgusting how Ryung can act like and idiot and nobody cares, but when sniper calls him out people hate on him.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 13:19 GMT
#102
On December 01 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:13 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.

Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.


It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.

I guess.
I just hope they talked it over after the match cause rivalies is one thing but like you said, this was just rude.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2952 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:22:08
December 01 2012 13:21 GMT
#103
On December 01 2012 22:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.


Well, you should consider that the interview was right after the matches - a few hours later, Sniper would probably have answered differently, but I totally understand why he was kind of disappointed by Ryungs behaviour. There's absolutely no excuse for such rude behavious in a semi final and even IdrA never whined live on stage in GSL as far as I know (Even though he sometimes "forgot" to type GG :-P )
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1247 Posts
December 01 2012 13:23 GMT
#104
I think Sniper might be the most hated SC player ever, fake-Yellow and Savior aside.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
December 01 2012 13:25 GMT
#105
On December 01 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:13 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.

Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.


It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.


That's rather childish though.

"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."

By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.

The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:27:19
December 01 2012 13:26 GMT
#106
On December 01 2012 22:19 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:17 ACrow wrote:
Thanks for the interviews!
Sniper sure has a knack for being a bad boy, haha.
Does anyone know if Ryung will be punished for his "imba, imba"? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I believe typing anything but gl/hf, ppp and gg and the likes was forbidden.

That's Kespa rules, and if strictly enforced, stuff like "gl in finals" would technically be in violation as well.

well
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582
Automatic Loss Rule
Sending chat messages other than ‘GG’, ‘gg’, ‘ㅎㅎ’,'ㅈㅈ' to declare the loss during the game.

So it gives you auto loss, not sure if there would be a punishment but they are prolly at least giving him a warning.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
December 01 2012 13:26 GMT
#107
On December 01 2012 21:45 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:44 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:42 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
[quote]
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.


he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.


Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.

Mvp also said terran was the weakest race back in 2011 when you had utter domination...


maybe Mvp was on to something
eniGzor
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia95 Posts
December 01 2012 13:28 GMT
#108
On December 01 2012 22:26 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:19 S_SienZ wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:17 ACrow wrote:
Thanks for the interviews!
Sniper sure has a knack for being a bad boy, haha.
Does anyone know if Ryung will be punished for his "imba, imba"? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I believe typing anything but gl/hf, ppp and gg and the likes was forbidden.

That's Kespa rules, and if strictly enforced, stuff like "gl in finals" would technically be in violation as well.

well
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582
Automatic Loss Rule
Sending chat messages other than ‘GG’, ‘gg’, ‘ㅎㅎ’,'ㅈㅈ' to declare the loss during the game.

So it gives you auto loss, not sure if there would be a punishment but they are prolly at least giving him a warning.


They'll give him a warming, they did the same thing to Bomber when he tried to /dance his units at the end of a game but forgot the "/" at the start. So he received a warning (Yellow card like).
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:30:57
December 01 2012 13:28 GMT
#109
On December 01 2012 22:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:13 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.

Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.


It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.


That's rather childish though.

"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."

By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.

The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.


The pro players are getting desperate because this has been going on for 7 months and there have been no balance changes, so you get outbursts like this. If Blizzard did their job and balanced the game better earlier on it wouldn't have to get to the point where we have all the top threads on Reddit complaining about Zerg and people threatening to quit the game or stop watching the game if nothing changes.

Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.

At least Protoss has their all ins that will work more often than fail if they are better than their opponent.
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
December 01 2012 13:31 GMT
#110

Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.


So much trashtalk haha
But ZvZ is kinda boring so I guess I won't watch it :/
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 13:32 GMT
#111
On December 01 2012 22:28 Dodgin wrote:
Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.

wasn't BW balance really bad as well for a significant stretch?
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Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
December 01 2012 13:33 GMT
#112
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote:
Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.


Gj random noobs implying a code s finalist doesn't know what he's talking about
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 01 2012 13:34 GMT
#113
On December 01 2012 22:33 Let it Raine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote:
Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.


Gj random noobs implying a code s finalist doesn't know what he's talking about

we should ask ex-fnatic rain's opinion, he's a gsl finalist too ;p
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
sertman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States540 Posts
December 01 2012 13:35 GMT
#114
On December 01 2012 22:33 Let it Raine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote:
Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.


Gj random noobs implying a code s finalist doesn't know what he's talking about


MVP's been saying Zerg's imbalanced for a really long time now... he's been to 5x as many finals as this kid.

I understand why Sniper has that mentality, otherwise he wouldn't feel very good about winning and that's why we play the game. Doesn't make it any less wrong, though.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1247 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:37:53
December 01 2012 13:37 GMT
#115
On December 01 2012 22:32 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:28 Dodgin wrote:
Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.

wasn't BW balance really bad as well for a significant stretch?


Blizzard didn't release any balance patches after BW got big. There was stretches of imbalance in the metagame; for example when Savior was in his prime, ZvP was considered almost unwinnable. Then the Bisu revolution happened.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
yolteotl
Profile Joined October 2011
France76 Posts
December 01 2012 13:44 GMT
#116
Y but in BW, game was balanced with new strats AND new maps. In Sc2, u've only 8m2g maps with 10 / 14 bases. It's so frustrating for mapmackers, and it's a huge problem to how balancing this game. Balancing game only with unit changes will always give a poor metagame.

Imba units are awesome and necessary... with balanced maps !
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2952 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:47:31
December 01 2012 13:46 GMT
#117
On December 01 2012 22:28 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:13 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.

Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.


It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.


That's rather childish though.

"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."

By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.

The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.


The pro players are getting desperate because this has been going on for 7 months and there have been no balance changes, so you get outbursts like this. If Blizzard did their job and balanced the game better earlier on it wouldn't have to get to the point where we have all the top threads on Reddit complaining about Zerg and people threatening to quit the game or stop watching the game if nothing changes.

Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.

At least Protoss has their all ins that will work more often than fail if they are better than their opponent.


What has been going on for 7 month? Zerg domination in premier tournaments?
Not really, starting May 2012, Terran won 5 of them, Zerg 8, Protoss 9. Yeah, the Terrans are worse than the other two, but "domination" is something else (for example when Terran won about as many tournaments as the other two races combined)
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
December 01 2012 13:46 GMT
#118
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.


terrans are pretty annoying nowadays tbh

Dr_Jones
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway252 Posts
December 01 2012 13:48 GMT
#119
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/142rcq/ideas_for_buffing_the_infestor/
wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub I love me some dubstep wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 13:55:03
December 01 2012 13:50 GMT
#120
On December 01 2012 22:46 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:28 Dodgin wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:13 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.

Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.


It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.


That's rather childish though.

"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."

By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.

The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.


The pro players are getting desperate because this has been going on for 7 months and there have been no balance changes, so you get outbursts like this. If Blizzard did their job and balanced the game better earlier on it wouldn't have to get to the point where we have all the top threads on Reddit complaining about Zerg and people threatening to quit the game or stop watching the game if nothing changes.

Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.

At least Protoss has their all ins that will work more often than fail if they are better than their opponent.


What has been going on for 7 month? Zerg domination in premier tournaments?
Not really, starting May 2012, Terran won 5 of them, Zerg 8, Protoss 9. Yeah, the Terrans are worse than the other two, but "domination" is something else (for example when Terran won about as many tournaments as the other two races combined)


I don't know why you're asking me to explain myself on something I didn't say. I didn't say Zerg has been winning every tournament, you did.

7 months is how long it has been since the last balance patch.

Looking at only the winners of tournaments to determine balance is a terrible idea, you should look at the game itself. For example if we take Taeja out of the numbers Terran goes down to 2 wins, during Taeja's really strong period he transcended the imbalance because he was simply the much better player than his opponents.
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
December 01 2012 13:56 GMT
#121
On December 01 2012 22:50 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:46 Swisslink wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:28 Dodgin wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:14 Dodgin wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:13 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap


pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.

Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.


It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.


That's rather childish though.

"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."

By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.

The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.


The pro players are getting desperate because this has been going on for 7 months and there have been no balance changes, so you get outbursts like this. If Blizzard did their job and balanced the game better earlier on it wouldn't have to get to the point where we have all the top threads on Reddit complaining about Zerg and people threatening to quit the game or stop watching the game if nothing changes.

Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.

At least Protoss has their all ins that will work more often than fail if they are better than their opponent.


What has been going on for 7 month? Zerg domination in premier tournaments?
Not really, starting May 2012, Terran won 5 of them, Zerg 8, Protoss 9. Yeah, the Terrans are worse than the other two, but "domination" is something else (for example when Terran won about as many tournaments as the other two races combined)


I don't know why you're asking me to explain myself on something I didn't say. I didn't say Zerg has been winning every tournament, you did.

7 months is how long it has been since the last balance patch.

Looking at only the winners of tournaments to determine balance is a terrible idea, you should look at the game itself. For example if we take Taeja out of the numbers Terran goes down to 2 wins, during Taeja's really strong period he transcended the imbalance because he was simply the much better player than his opponents.

Has it been 7 months?! What the heck time passes fast >.< Feel so old now...
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10121 Posts
December 01 2012 14:00 GMT
#122
Sniper --- Fun killer and drama hater
coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
December 01 2012 14:01 GMT
#123
Nice interviews, funny thing about the zerg whining
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 01 2012 14:09 GMT
#124
On December 01 2012 22:32 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:28 Dodgin wrote:
Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.

wasn't BW balance really bad as well for a significant stretch?

As soon as BW was patched back in 2001 or so iirc every imbalance was caused by maps or "recent" trends (sair reaver trend turned PvZ on its head to name one).

In the woods, there lurks..
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 14:12:47
December 01 2012 14:12 GMT
#125
Well I wont be watching ZvZ finals but after this interviews, I am sure cheering for Hyun....
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
December 01 2012 14:30 GMT
#126
Hope HyuN fucking destroys this kid.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44116 Posts
December 01 2012 14:37 GMT
#127
Yeah HyuN! Finish strong now!
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Martyrc
Profile Joined May 2012
217 Posts
December 01 2012 14:42 GMT
#128
Now I hate sniper, I hope he gets destroyed in the finals. Hard.
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erw
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway284 Posts
December 01 2012 14:44 GMT
#129
of course sniper is gonna be pissed when ryung blames everything on balance and shouts imba imba imba at a code s semifinals
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mortales
Profile Joined April 2012
174 Posts
December 01 2012 14:53 GMT
#130
Sniper should have said something like "I want to thank Blizzard and personally David Kim, without them I would never get in the final". Instead of this he claims that terran players are shameless and balance whinners have no skill. This is very funny :D
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
December 01 2012 14:53 GMT
#131
I for one is looking forward to Sniper's runner-up curse, code b you shall be.
1338, one upping 1337
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 01 2012 14:55 GMT
#132
Well, Sniper is definitly picking well his role of vilain.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 01 2012 15:04 GMT
#133
On December 01 2012 23:44 erw wrote:
of course sniper is gonna be pissed when ryung blames everything on balance and shouts imba imba imba at a code s semifinals


Ryung couldn't win GSL even during the Super Tournament times, and he never will, even if Terran becomes ridiculously OP one day.

It's hilarious that he whined at the end of a match he lost 3-2. He might have won if he didn't proxy 11/11 all in and actually played a straight up game in game 2. Does he really think he's that much better than Sniper, that he barely lost even when the game is so "imba imba imba"? Needs an ego check.
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
December 01 2012 15:04 GMT
#134
I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
December 01 2012 15:08 GMT
#135
On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote:
I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.


You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?
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Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 15:12:46
December 01 2012 15:10 GMT
#136
I didn't say that, and it doesn't matter if I do. He's not so far below Ryung that a close victory of his is only possible due to imbalance. edit: and it's pretty clear that Ryung was not playing his best over the past couple of days
phfantunes
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil170 Posts
December 01 2012 15:17 GMT
#137
I want a Ryung interview
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 15:21:09
December 01 2012 15:18 GMT
#138
On December 02 2012 00:08 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote:
I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.


You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?

Why not? Ryung messed up and Sniper didn't.
This was after Ryung came back from 2 - 0 to 2 - 2 so he should have the mental advantage as well.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 01 2012 15:20 GMT
#139
Gotta admit, Sniper's got some balls. Doesn't care if he'll never have fans with that "Zerg not imba" comment.

Hope he still gets crushed though
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 01 2012 15:21 GMT
#140
On December 01 2012 22:19 Weavel wrote:
It's quite disgusting how Ryung can act like and idiot and nobody cares, but when sniper calls him out people hate on him.


The above post is definitely over exaggerating, as I don't think that many people do hate him.
Regardless, the community does look at Ryung's comment during the game in a lighter light than Sniper's statement during the interview. But I think that is not because of zerg bashing mood that has become more dominant in the past few months.
Because regardless how the community hates a loosing player raging at his opponent at the end of the game (without falling into obscenities ofc), a winner insulting the loser after the game is much much worse.

Anyways, I am a bit disappointed in Sniper. Not because of his statement, but because he missed such a great opportunity.
Had he instead given an MVP-like answer it would've been a perfect chance to show the world that he does not only the skills of a champion, but also the character and the mindset deserving one.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 15:27:07
December 01 2012 15:21 GMT
#141
This has certainly been a raw interview, I don't feel like I normally see GSL interviews that mention whiny Protoss players or ZvZ being boring, lol.

Incidentally, I think Sniper is going to win 4-1. Mostly because HyuN could be a royal roader, and Sniper gotta kill dat buzzzzzzz.

Also the thought of two consecutive GSL champions being Zerg Royal Roaders makes me feel uneasy, so I'm rooting for... HyuN!

FEED ON MY NEGATIVITY, SNIPER! Feed...
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
December 01 2012 15:27 GMT
#142
Lets go Sniper!
Not really a fan of Hyun for some reason.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
December 01 2012 15:35 GMT
#143
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.


DAMN can he be more evil?
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7246 Posts
December 01 2012 15:45 GMT
#144
On December 02 2012 00:35 leo23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.


DAMN can he be more evil?


Clearly his ploy to achieve more fan hatred so that he can sweep the finals with that 4-1 score.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
BaconofWar
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States369 Posts
December 01 2012 15:49 GMT
#145
Does Sniper just want us to hate him? The kid just seems like a prick.
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ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
December 01 2012 15:53 GMT
#146
On December 01 2012 21:24 NovemberstOrm wrote:
sniper gonna have 0 fans if he keeps this up.

I'm really starting to like him. He probably knows that he isn't very popular because he kills so many fan-favs, but I kinda like it how he doesn't give a fuck about it and just continues to smash faces.
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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
December 01 2012 15:56 GMT
#147
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
December 01 2012 15:59 GMT
#148
Will be so boring with a ZvZzzzzzz finals....
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Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
December 01 2012 16:03 GMT
#149
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.
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izen
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden136 Posts
December 01 2012 16:06 GMT
#150
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yea he is sooooooo bad! cant belive he got to SEMI FINALS in the BEST sc2 league there is. And losing 3-2 to a "patchzerg" in close series. So awful..... -.-
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 01 2012 16:08 GMT
#151
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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 16:10:12
December 01 2012 16:09 GMT
#152
On December 02 2012 01:03 Stress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.



I knew this woudl come up.

ryung is just not that good. He's not a taeja or a MVP etc. He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one.

Everytime I see ryung play, he's good obviously compared to many foreigners, but compared to other standout Korean t's, he just looks very average.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 01 2012 16:10 GMT
#153
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 16:11 GMT
#154
On December 02 2012 01:03 Stress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.

And yet he lost and tried to discredit Sniper who might i add is in the final now.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 16:13 GMT
#155
On December 02 2012 01:06 izen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yea he is sooooooo bad! cant belive he got to SEMI FINALS in the BEST sc2 league there is. And losing 3-2 to a "patchzerg" in close series. So awful..... -.-

Can we please stop with that retarded term every single time a zerg wins a match/set.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
December 01 2012 16:14 GMT
#156
Not a hyun fan, but reading this has made me a sniper anti-fan.

GO HYUN
izen
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden136 Posts
December 01 2012 16:14 GMT
#157
On December 02 2012 01:10 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 01:06 izen wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yea he is sooooooo bad! cant belive he got to SEMI FINALS in the BEST sc2 league there is. And losing 3-2 to a "patchzerg" in close series. So awful..... -.-

How is Sniper a patchzerg? He is having success like 5 months after the patch lol. You might as call Life a patch Zerg or Soulkey.


Thats why i did the " sign haven't heard about Sniper before today. Didn't even know he was in the semi finals in gsl before todays games. Maybe im wrong about the "patchzerg" Will look for more info about him
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 01 2012 16:16 GMT
#158
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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 01 2012 16:17 GMT
#159
On December 02 2012 01:09 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 01:03 Stress wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.



I knew this woudl come up.

ryung is just not that good. He's not a taeja or a MVP etc. He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one.

Everytime I see ryung play, he's good obviously compared to many foreigners, but compared to other standout Korean t's, he just looks very average.


This...

"He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one." sums it up perfectly.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 01 2012 16:19 GMT
#160
On December 02 2012 01:17 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 01:09 jj33 wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:03 Stress wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.



I knew this woudl come up.

ryung is just not that good. He's not a taeja or a MVP etc. He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one.

Everytime I see ryung play, he's good obviously compared to many foreigners, but compared to other standout Korean t's, he just looks very average.


This...

"He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one." sums it up perfectly.


I agree with this but at the same time It's kind of weird because when I think of memorable games Ryung is in a few of them compared to most players who are in 0. Ryung vs DRG on Whirlwind and Ryung vs Flash on Whirlwind are games that I will remember for being such good quality.

At the time he does have that feeling about him like " he won't ever win it big but he will hang around "

I also had that feeling about Sniper forever, though. Now he's in the finals.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
December 01 2012 16:21 GMT
#161
On December 02 2012 01:19 Dodgin wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:17 sitromit wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:09 jj33 wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:03 Stress wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.



I knew this woudl come up.

ryung is just not that good. He's not a taeja or a MVP etc. He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one.

Everytime I see ryung play, he's good obviously compared to many foreigners, but compared to other standout Korean t's, he just looks very average.


This...

"He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one." sums it up perfectly.


I agree with this but at the same time It's kind of weird because when I think of memorable games Ryung is in a few of them compared to most players who are in 0. Ryung vs DRG on Whirlwind and Ryung vs Flash on Whirlwind are games that I will remember for being such good quality.

At the time he does have that feeling about him like " he won't ever win it big but he will hang around "

I also had that feeling about Sniper forever, though. Now he's in the finals.

If being in the finals meant you'd win it big, then Kongs would be kings.
Kanaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark658 Posts
December 01 2012 16:22 GMT
#162
I really can't stand sniper.
Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either.
Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
December 01 2012 16:22 GMT
#163
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.

Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.

Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.
erw
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway284 Posts
December 01 2012 16:24 GMT
#164
On December 02 2012 01:22 Kanaz wrote:
I really can't stand sniper.
Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either.
Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.


he's in the finals of code s? how is he not a high end code s player
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Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
December 01 2012 16:27 GMT
#165
On December 02 2012 01:22 forsooth wrote:
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On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.

Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.

Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.


I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 01 2012 16:27 GMT
#166
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aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
December 01 2012 16:30 GMT
#167
On December 02 2012 01:27 Sc2Null wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:22 forsooth wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.

Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.

Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.


I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though

7 months ago sniper was a nobody.
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Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
December 01 2012 16:30 GMT
#168
On December 02 2012 01:16 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:13 Assirra wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:06 izen wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.


Yea he is sooooooo bad! cant belive he got to SEMI FINALS in the BEST sc2 league there is. And losing 3-2 to a "patchzerg" in close series. So awful..... -.-

Can we please stop with that retarded term every single time a zerg wins a match/set.

Once people start calling Nestea a patchzerg I am going to draw the line


The only Zerg that isn't a patchzerg is Fruitdealer :p
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 01 2012 16:30 GMT
#169
On December 01 2012 21:36 Dodgin wrote:
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On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


These interviews are done right after the games are over so he was likely very pissed off that Ryung discredited his win in the chat in the GSL semi finals.

It's understandable, I suppose.

He's kidding himself if he thinks the game balance is perfect, though.

Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed off too if I just made the finals of the most prestigious tournament in the world and some guy was claiming I'm only there because of imbalance. It really devalues the moment. It's reasonable for Sniper to be upset.
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 16:35:56
December 01 2012 16:31 GMT
#170
On December 02 2012 01:24 erw wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:22 Kanaz wrote:
I really can't stand sniper.
Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either.
Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.


he's in the finals of code s? how is he not a high end code s player

Ehh it's happened before when players make one finals and then disappear completely. I think what he means is Ryung has been in Code S for longer while Sniper may just be a one season wonder(Not to mention any zerg winning after patch nowadays is instantly called a patchzerg)

In other words some one who is newer to Code S shouldn't be calling someone who has been in Code S for a while now(Especially with the new format) No skill... If sniper hangs around Code S for a couple more seasons while Ryung falls out then he can call him no skill...

Note: I'm not trying to defend what Ryung said it was fucking stupid. I found it funny but I can see why Sniper and others would be upset by it. I'm merely pointing out Sniper is being just as dumb by calling Ryung No Skill. Both comments where made in the heat of the moment with emotions running high, Ryung having just lost in ro4 must have been heart breaking. And sniper with adrenaline pumping after a victory lashing out at some one trying to discredit his win. Lets let them build an epic rivarly of hatred fuelled with tons of amazing Code S matches and let the silly drama die for once.. please?
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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
December 01 2012 16:32 GMT
#171
On December 02 2012 01:22 forsooth wrote:
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On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.

Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.

Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.



strawman argument.

try again.

I never said sniper is all that either. but ryung is a whiner. and instead of blaming imbalance, he should get better.

jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
December 01 2012 16:33 GMT
#172
All you guys thinking what ryung did is OK.

what a bunch of hypocrites.

I bet if Naniwa did that you'd guys all be up in arms right now.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 01 2012 16:34 GMT
#173
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 01 2012 16:34 GMT
#174
On December 02 2012 00:08 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
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On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote:
I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.


You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?

Yes, I do
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33316 Posts
December 01 2012 16:35 GMT
#175
disrespectful to Sniper :/
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The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
December 01 2012 16:35 GMT
#176
Sniper should just embrace the bad guy role and tell everyone cheering against him that they can suck a fat one (as he points to his crotch). That would be fun and make him infinitely more popular (in the end). His calling out Terran players is a good start.
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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
December 01 2012 16:36 GMT
#177
On December 02 2012 01:22 forsooth wrote:
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On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.

Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.

Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.

are you talking about Sniper? the n.1 ranked korean player in the ELO rank... he must be really bad....
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 16:40:37
December 01 2012 16:36 GMT
#178
On December 02 2012 01:31 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:24 erw wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:22 Kanaz wrote:
I really can't stand sniper.
Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either.
Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.


he's in the finals of code s? how is he not a high end code s player

Ehh it's happened before when players make one finals and then disappear completely. I think what he means is Ryung has been in Code S for longer while Sniper may just be a one season wonder(Not to mention any zerg winning after patch nowadays is instantly called a patchzerg)

In other words some one who is newer to Code S shouldn't be calling someone who has been in Code S for a while now(Especially with the new format) No skill... If sniper hangs around Code S for a couple more seasons while Ryung falls out then he can call him no skill...

And somebody who lost in the Code S semi finals shouldn't yell "IMBA IMBA IMBA" to the winning player trying to discredit him.
I can't believe people are so hung up about this, it's so obvious what Sniper said was a knee-jerk reaction on what Ryung did.
Sniper is a progamer, he knows that the current balance favors Zerg without a doubt.
However when someone yells it in your face right during your moment of glory it will sting way harder then just a random forum poster, hence the reactionary interview.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 01 2012 16:36 GMT
#179
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 16:38:31
December 01 2012 16:37 GMT
#180
On December 02 2012 01:36 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 01:31 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:24 erw wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:22 Kanaz wrote:
I really can't stand sniper.
Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either.
Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.


he's in the finals of code s? how is he not a high end code s player

Ehh it's happened before when players make one finals and then disappear completely. I think what he means is Ryung has been in Code S for longer while Sniper may just be a one season wonder(Not to mention any zerg winning after patch nowadays is instantly called a patchzerg)

In other words some one who is newer to Code S shouldn't be calling someone who has been in Code S for a while now(Especially with the new format) No skill... If sniper hangs around Code S for a couple more seasons while Ryung falls out then he can call him no skill...

And somebody who lost in the Code S semi finals shouldn't yell "IMBA IMBA IMBA" to the winning player trying to discredit him.
I can't believe people are so hung up about this, it's so obvious what Sniper said was a knee-jerk reaction on what Ryung did.

Please read the note I edited into my post. I'm not actually trying to defend either players actions. Both were made in the heat of the moment and stupid(And imo not that big of a deal....)
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The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
December 01 2012 16:38 GMT
#181
On December 02 2012 01:30 aviator116 wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:27 Sc2Null wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:22 forsooth wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.

Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.

Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.


I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though

7 months ago sniper was a nobody.


Sniper is extremely young and extremely good. After they nerf infestors he's still going to be around.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 16:39:04
December 01 2012 16:38 GMT
#182
I ragequited the stream way before the IMBA IMBA (and having seen the screenshot, Ryung went really too far ><).
But that made me think about how zerg has been buffed for what, 18 months. 18 months during which no zerg ever used any infestors and claimed it was a bad unit. What I'm trying to say is that if you transpose modern zerg play and maps to old patches (no, not to reaper era), zerg will probably will be well balanced. Which means that Blizzard should never have patched the game after fixing the 5 rax reaper xD
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
December 01 2012 16:40 GMT
#183
On December 02 2012 01:38 The_Darkness wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:30 aviator116 wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:27 Sc2Null wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:22 forsooth wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.

Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.

Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.


I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though

7 months ago sniper was a nobody.


Sniper is extremely young and extremely good. After they nerf infestors he's still going to be around.


infestor nerf? and what exactly will that be?
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Kanaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark658 Posts
December 01 2012 16:40 GMT
#184
For those defending Sniper, saying he is high end code s.
Yes he is in the finals right now. But if you look at how many seasons he's been in, he never really got far at all.
Thats not high end code s to me, if you are high end you end there consistenly.
Calling out Ryung as no skill - The guy has been in Ro4 twice, Ro8 twice, and generally been around in code s for longer time consistenly.
Sure it's an achievement making it to the finals, but that doesn't make you high end code s player - consistenly ending high up does. One good run doesn't make you high end.
To many variables included, to determine if you make it all the way - So you can't judge high end from a single run. At least i can, but you can feel free to think otherwise.
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
December 01 2012 16:42 GMT
#185
. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills


This is hilarious. I can't wait to see where both of these players will end up once the metagame shifts back to normal.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 01 2012 16:43 GMT
#186
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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 01 2012 16:44 GMT
#187
On December 02 2012 01:30 aviator116 wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:27 Sc2Null wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:22 forsooth wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote:
nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.

You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.

Ryung is not that good.

Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.

Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.


I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though

7 months ago sniper was a nobody.


10 months ago Sniper was playing a very close series against Mvp in the last round of Code A, as a kid who just turned 17.

Compared to Ryung, who has been a mediocre player bouncing between Code A and Code S for ages, without ever winning anything, ever all killing in team leagues, nothing. Just the perfect picture of mediocrity.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 16:46:25
December 01 2012 16:44 GMT
#188
On December 02 2012 01:38 MrCon wrote:
I ragequited the stream way before the IMBA IMBA (and having seen the screenshot, Ryung went really too far ><).
But that made me think about how zerg has been buffed for what, 18 months. 18 months during which no zerg ever used any infestors and claimed it was a bad unit. What I'm trying to say is that if you transpose modern zerg play and maps to old patches (no, not to reaper era), zerg will probably will be well balanced. Which means that Blizzard should never have patched the game after fixing the 5 rax reaper xD

Well don't forget that infestor got a massive switch in the fungal department. Before it was the same damage over 8 seconds instead of 4. The DPS essentially got doubled if you have enough infestors to keep it up. Before that people simply preferred muta's since they allowed very easy harass (at the time since pro's couldn't defend right to it yet)
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
December 01 2012 16:47 GMT
#189
On December 02 2012 01:43 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:42 noddy wrote:
. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills


This is hilarious. I can't wait to see where both of these players will end up once the metagame shifts back to normal.

Ryung will be in Code A getting easy money in foreign tournaments and Sniper will be a Code S regular. I don't know if anyone noticed but he barely used any BL or Infestors..


BL and infestors aren't the only things that are ridiculous right now. Sniper is just like Jjakji, a player who won when the meta-game was ridiculously in Terran's favour and who has now fallen off. We'll see when HotS is here.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 01 2012 16:49 GMT
#190
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 01 2012 16:49 GMT
#191
On December 02 2012 01:44 Assirra wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:38 MrCon wrote:
I ragequited the stream way before the IMBA IMBA (and having seen the screenshot, Ryung went really too far ><).
But that made me think about how zerg has been buffed for what, 18 months. 18 months during which no zerg ever used any infestors and claimed it was a bad unit. What I'm trying to say is that if you transpose modern zerg play and maps to old patches (no, not to reaper era), zerg will probably will be well balanced. Which means that Blizzard should never have patched the game after fixing the 5 rax reaper xD

Well don't forget that infestor got a massive switch in the fungal department. Before it was the same damage over 8 seconds instead of 4. The DPS essentially got doubled if you have enough infestors to keep it up.

One could argue that it was a nerf tho. I'm still not sure but I'm not sure that reverting this change in the current game and going back to a 8 seconds root would really be a nerf. Well it would be a nerf in ZvP I suppose, where the dps is more important I think ?
I also not talk about every change, for instance the hit point buffs for hatcheries/nexus was good. But in the current map pool the old medivac speed would be good (they nerfed it when xelnaga caverns was still played in every tournament).
The problem (if there is a problem), is that all these patches were fixing problems that the modern maps also fixed, which is why it possibly went too far in the changes.
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
December 01 2012 16:49 GMT
#192
On December 02 2012 01:43 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:42 noddy wrote:
. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills


This is hilarious. I can't wait to see where both of these players will end up once the metagame shifts back to normal.

Ryung will be in Code A getting easy money in foreign tournaments and Sniper will be a Code S regular. I don't know if anyone noticed but he barely used any BL or Infestors..



easy money in foreign tournaments?

I doubt it. I've seen ryung in foreign tournaments and he lost there, looking very mediocre.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 01 2012 16:53 GMT
#193
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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
December 01 2012 16:55 GMT
#194
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club


I feel the same, I was impressed with Sniper, but his comments made him a douchebag imo. I hope Hyun crushes his ass 4-0.
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Woizit
Profile Joined June 2011
801 Posts
December 01 2012 16:56 GMT
#195
On December 02 2012 01:47 noddy wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:43 Emzeeshady wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:42 noddy wrote:
. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills


This is hilarious. I can't wait to see where both of these players will end up once the metagame shifts back to normal.

Ryung will be in Code A getting easy money in foreign tournaments and Sniper will be a Code S regular. I don't know if anyone noticed but he barely used any BL or Infestors..


BL and infestors aren't the only things that are ridiculous right now. Sniper is just like Jjakji, a player who won when the meta-game was ridiculously in Terran's favour and who has now fallen off. We'll see when HotS is here.


No surprise that a player whose strength is in TvZ falls off when the patch hit that hard. Just look at MMA.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 16:58:12
December 01 2012 16:57 GMT
#196
On December 02 2012 01:55 yoshi245 wrote:
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On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club


I feel the same, I was impressed with Sniper, but his comments made him a douchebag imo. I hope Hyun crushes his ass 4-0.

While I agree with this(The bolded part only). Don't forget Sniper said this as a response to Ryung typing pretty much saying Sniper only won because of imba race which is pretty damn BM....
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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
December 01 2012 16:58 GMT
#197
On December 02 2012 01:55 yoshi245 wrote:
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On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club


I feel the same, I was impressed with Sniper, but his comments made him a douchebag imo. I hope Hyun crushes his ass 4-0.



He answered the way he did, because of what Ryung did...

Sniper has worked his ass off to get to where he is and for someone to do what ryung did is just flatout annoying and disrespectful.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 17:01 GMT
#198
On December 02 2012 01:56 Woizit wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:47 noddy wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:43 Emzeeshady wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:42 noddy wrote:
. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills


This is hilarious. I can't wait to see where both of these players will end up once the metagame shifts back to normal.

Ryung will be in Code A getting easy money in foreign tournaments and Sniper will be a Code S regular. I don't know if anyone noticed but he barely used any BL or Infestors..


BL and infestors aren't the only things that are ridiculous right now. Sniper is just like Jjakji, a player who won when the meta-game was ridiculously in Terran's favour and who has now fallen off. We'll see when HotS is here.


No surprise that a player whose strength is in TvZ falls off when the patch hit that hard. Just look at MMA.

MMA was going down pre patch tough.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 01 2012 17:03 GMT
#199
On December 02 2012 01:58 jj33 wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:55 yoshi245 wrote:
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club


I feel the same, I was impressed with Sniper, but his comments made him a douchebag imo. I hope Hyun crushes his ass 4-0.



He answered the way he did, because of what Ryung did...

Sniper has worked his ass off to get to where he is and for someone to do what ryung did is just flatout annoying and disrespectful.


Then he should have made his response specific to Ryung only.
Maloreon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States911 Posts
December 01 2012 17:04 GMT
#200
I went from hating Sniper (only for killing Leenock) to loving him after reading this interview. I love when pro-gamers will "bite-back" when verbally attacked or mocked.
Leenock, Gumiho, Life, Flash, Parting, Scarlett
MooMu
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada615 Posts
December 01 2012 17:06 GMT
#201
On December 02 2012 02:03 vthree wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:58 jj33 wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:55 yoshi245 wrote:
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club


I feel the same, I was impressed with Sniper, but his comments made him a douchebag imo. I hope Hyun crushes his ass 4-0.



He answered the way he did, because of what Ryung did...

Sniper has worked his ass off to get to where he is and for someone to do what ryung did is just flatout annoying and disrespectful.


Then he should have made his response specific to Ryung only.


Should have but he was venting in the context of the question.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
December 01 2012 17:08 GMT
#202
Haha Sniper, has he ever wondered why his own MVP team Terran players also haven't have any results? I guess they are just lazy bunch too.

Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 17:10 GMT
#203
You should all be ashamed of yourself. Ryung played really bad in that last game, forgetting Siege mode and making a lot of other mistakes. Sniper has worked his ass off to get where he is now, and Ryung COMPLETELY discredited his win by what he did in a live premiere tournament. Do you have any idea how that would feel? All of a sudden, all of Sniper's work means nothing, and he only won because Zerg is imbalanced. He must have felt terrible after that game. Don't act like Ryung is a hero speaking the truth while Sniper is some cocky kid that needs to be put in his place. They both made controversial comments, and they both handled it very poorly.

As a community, though, we need to stop being so judgemental over a player's actions, and instead focus on how well they play the game. Sniper is a player that has excellent mechanics and was praised by his teammates for a long time. Remember in his PvZs, when he would show excellent micro from his Roaches and Zerglings baiting forcefields in order to stop the Sentry/Immortal all-in? That has nothing to do with Infestors/Broodlords or even Queens for that matter. Get a hold of yourself and stop saying that Sniper was a no talent punk before the Queen patch. He will be around after Zerg is nerfed into the ground, because he's a GOOD player. And you know what? So will Ryung, because he's a GOOD player.
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
Slasher
Profile Joined September 2007
United States1095 Posts
December 01 2012 17:12 GMT
#204
Here are two additional interviews I did with Sniper and Hyun before tomorrow's final:

Sniper on beating Ryung, his imba comments at the end, and playing HyuN in the GSL Code S Finals: "I'm confident in my ZvZ"



HyuN on beating Innovtation, and a ZvZ final against HyuN:

Ryncol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States980 Posts
December 01 2012 17:12 GMT
#205
I was pretty neutral towards both Hyun and Sniper before reading this, but now want nothing more than for Hyun to absolutely crush Sniper. Not even entertaining games. Just pure carnage.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
December 01 2012 17:13 GMT
#206
On December 02 2012 01:55 yoshi245 wrote:
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On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club


I feel the same, I was impressed with Sniper, but his comments made him a douchebag imo. I hope Hyun crushes his ass 4-0.

What? oO How would you feel when you just made it to the fucking GSL finals as a 17year old kid and in the moment of glory someone basicly tells you infront of thousands of people that you only won because the race you play has an edge right now? People always complain about Koreans being boring robots(which is ridiculously stupid) and now that this kid showed some actual emotion after being bm'ed incredibly hard, he gets all the hate in the world for it. This community really can't get any worse.
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Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 17:18:51
December 01 2012 17:14 GMT
#207
ryung was bm, sniper counters with more bm, and that is about it, i know it is frustrating, but each and every zerg that is doing well now (and has not been before the patches / metashift) will get less aknowledgement than usual.

edit: look the later interview with slasher he is much more composed, so just relax and dont hate either player.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 01 2012 17:16 GMT
#208
People are just looking for an excuse to hate. Sniper had every right to say what he said.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
December 01 2012 17:17 GMT
#209
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
December 01 2012 17:19 GMT
#210
HAHA sniper so bold. People already hated him before this interview, now its just getting worse. If he only knew how huge his anti-fan base is lol Although im not sure how serious ryung was about this imba imba imba, might as well have been only half-serious
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
December 01 2012 17:22 GMT
#211
On December 02 2012 02:03 vthree wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:58 jj33 wrote:
On December 02 2012 01:55 yoshi245 wrote:
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote:
After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.

Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?

Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club


I feel the same, I was impressed with Sniper, but his comments made him a douchebag imo. I hope Hyun crushes his ass 4-0.



He answered the way he did, because of what Ryung did...

Sniper has worked his ass off to get to where he is and for someone to do what ryung did is just flatout annoying and disrespectful.


Then he should have made his response specific to Ryung only.



It kind of was, since he's speaking about him obviously.

jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
December 01 2012 17:22 GMT
#212
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.



i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 17:33:35
December 01 2012 17:32 GMT
#213
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

Between 2 BMer, the one that still state the "fact" usually has more support. Everybody knows the state of TvZ right now, you have one person whole BM the race IMBA IMBA, and you have a person who BM the race players having no skills. It's normal that people like Ryung more, it's not like TvZ is in T favor anyway.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
December 01 2012 17:33 GMT
#214
On December 02 2012 02:22 jj33 wrote:
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On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.



i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.


Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...
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HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
December 01 2012 17:38 GMT
#215
Really don't get how Sniper is the bad guy here... He was obviously pissed at Ryung for good reason and just said what was on his mind, instead of dodging the question like most Koreans would do. He also seems fed up with all the Terran qq nowadays detracting from his success. Also he didn't abuse the BL/Infestor/Corruptor to win either, he capitalized on the many mistakes of Ryung.
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ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 17:41:29
December 01 2012 17:40 GMT
#216
On December 02 2012 02:33 GTPGlitch wrote:
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On December 02 2012 02:22 jj33 wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.



i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.


Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...

Wtf is wrong with you? You want the community to never accept new zergs now because they had no success before the patch? Sorry for all the Jaedong fans - even when he finds success now he will just be a patchzerg. Oh and Life is a patchzerg too? That's interesting.
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Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 17:41 GMT
#217
On December 02 2012 02:33 GTPGlitch wrote:
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On December 02 2012 02:22 jj33 wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.



i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.


Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...


First off, Sniper has been working hard for a very long time. Second, most of the Zergs that are winning nowadays started to get popular AFTER the buff. Life, Symbol, Hyun, Sniper, and Violet pretty much all came after the buff. While Leenock is still relevant and is still very good, you hardly see DongRaeGu, NesTea, July, LosirA, Zenio, or most of the other pre-buff Zergs winning much anymore. This doesn't have anything to do with the buff, though. This has to do with the way the game works. Starcraft in a competitive sense is extremely volatile. Not only could you do the same with Terrans and protoss, but Brood War was the exact same way.
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
December 01 2012 17:42 GMT
#218
On December 02 2012 02:33 GTPGlitch wrote:
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On December 02 2012 02:22 jj33 wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.



i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.


Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...


How do you know Sniper wasn't working hard last year? Breaking into Code A is hard as shit, so it took Sniper a couple tries but now he's upto to Code S and thats all that matters. Being well-known before the patch is necessary nowadays to be "legit"? The kid is only 17 give him a break.
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
December 01 2012 17:46 GMT
#219
On December 02 2012 02:10 Ollie wrote:
You should all be ashamed of yourself. Ryung played really bad in that last game, forgetting Siege mode and making a lot of other mistakes. Sniper has worked his ass off to get where he is now, and Ryung COMPLETELY discredited his win by what he did in a live premiere tournament. Do you have any idea how that would feel? All of a sudden, all of Sniper's work means nothing, and he only won because Zerg is imbalanced. He must have felt terrible after that game. Don't act like Ryung is a hero speaking the truth while Sniper is some cocky kid that needs to be put in his place. They both made controversial comments, and they both handled it very poorly.

As a community, though, we need to stop being so judgemental over a player's actions, and instead focus on how well they play the game. Sniper is a player that has excellent mechanics and was praised by his teammates for a long time. Remember in his PvZs, when he would show excellent micro from his Roaches and Zerglings baiting forcefields in order to stop the Sentry/Immortal all-in? That has nothing to do with Infestors/Broodlords or even Queens for that matter. Get a hold of yourself and stop saying that Sniper was a no talent punk before the Queen patch. He will be around after Zerg is nerfed into the ground, because he's a GOOD player. And you know what? So will Ryung, because he's a GOOD player.

This a hundred times. To have your greatest achievement yet discredited in-game in front of a world audience would piss anyone off. I don't agree with Sniper's comments but I understand his anger. I also understand the frustration of the community, but to take it out on Sniper, wish for him to be crushed and hate him for one stupid comment makes me so happy that I'm not a progamer.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Shocae
Profile Joined August 2010
United States141 Posts
December 01 2012 17:47 GMT
#220
lol @ zerg defense mechanism
lolsamplesize
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 01 2012 17:53 GMT
#221
On December 02 2012 02:41 Ollie wrote:
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On December 02 2012 02:33 GTPGlitch wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:22 jj33 wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.



i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.


Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...


First off, Sniper has been working hard for a very long time. Second, most of the Zergs that are winning nowadays started to get popular AFTER the buff. Life, Symbol, Hyun, Sniper, and Violet pretty much all came after the buff. While Leenock is still relevant and is still very good, you hardly see DongRaeGu, NesTea, July, LosirA, Zenio, or most of the other pre-buff Zergs winning much anymore. This doesn't have anything to do with the buff, though. This has to do with the way the game works. Starcraft in a competitive sense is extremely volatile. Not only could you do the same with Terrans and protoss, but Brood War was the exact same way.

Good post, I never thought of how the older big time zergs were doing in light of the patch. Puts things in perspective regarding the skill of the new up and comers.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Koesader
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands424 Posts
December 01 2012 17:54 GMT
#222
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.
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blackwaltz3
Profile Joined May 2011
54 Posts
December 01 2012 17:55 GMT
#223
On December 02 2012 01:36 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On December 02 2012 01:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:08 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote:
I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.


You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?

Yes, I do

me too



Yup, I agree. And I think he will beat Hyun in the finals.
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
December 01 2012 17:56 GMT
#224
Are people in this thread seriously claiming that Zerg isn't overpowered..wow
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Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 17:58 GMT
#225
On December 02 2012 02:56 aviator116 wrote:
Are people in this thread seriously claiming that Zerg isn't overpowered..wow


I'm not. I KNOW Zerg is overpowered. But Sniper didn't win because the game is imbalanced, he won because he played better.
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 17:59 GMT
#226
On December 02 2012 02:56 aviator116 wrote:
Are people in this thread seriously claiming that Zerg isn't overpowered..wow

You might want to actually read what people say before making silly comments.
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
December 01 2012 18:01 GMT
#227
"Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining."

That
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I agree with Hyun that ZvZ is all about mutas now. Early map control is so much superior to the straight to infestor style I feel like.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
December 01 2012 18:02 GMT
#228
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
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On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 18:03:13
December 01 2012 18:02 GMT
#229
On December 02 2012 02:59 Assirra wrote:
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On December 02 2012 02:56 aviator116 wrote:
Are people in this thread seriously claiming that Zerg isn't overpowered..wow

You might want to actually read what people say before making silly comments.

He's actually pretty correct. There have been a lot of people in this thread saying that zerg is fine. LOL.

On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
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On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?

Well...I have told somebody "You aren't exactly the type of person I would try to pick up at a bar..."
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
December 01 2012 18:02 GMT
#230
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.


Really?
The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 18:06:04
December 01 2012 18:05 GMT
#231
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
December 01 2012 18:06 GMT
#232
On December 02 2012 03:02 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.


Really?
The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.

No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series.

Ryung should be ashamed of himself.
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
December 01 2012 18:08 GMT
#233
On December 02 2012 03:06 Arco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 03:02 Orracle wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.


Really?
The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.

No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series.

Ryung should be ashamed of himself.


Indirect insult =/= direct insult to a section of the player base
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 18:10 GMT
#234
On December 02 2012 03:05 [17]Purple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.


Sniper was insulting Terran players that discredit his victories. You know, the players that call him a no-skill patchzerg?
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
December 01 2012 18:12 GMT
#235
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 18:13 GMT
#236
On December 02 2012 03:08 [17]Purple wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:06 Arco wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 Orracle wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.


Really?
The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.

No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series.

Ryung should be ashamed of himself.


Indirect insult =/= direct insult to a section of the player base

He discredits every single zerg win that is done now with that statement.
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 18:17 GMT
#237
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
December 01 2012 18:21 GMT
#238
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Cinquedea
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada144 Posts
December 01 2012 18:22 GMT
#239
HyuN, it's open season mate.
Too strange to live, too rare to die.
1raxexpand
Profile Joined July 2012
United States165 Posts
December 01 2012 18:24 GMT
#240
On December 02 2012 03:13 Assirra wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:08 [17]Purple wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:06 Arco wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 Orracle wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.


Really?
The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.

No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series.

Ryung should be ashamed of himself.


Indirect insult =/= direct insult to a section of the player base

He discredits every single zerg win that is done now with that statement.

No he doesn't. Everyone said Terran was imba and but it did not discredit every single Terran win
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Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
December 01 2012 18:24 GMT
#241
On December 02 2012 03:22 Cinquedea wrote:
HyuN, it's open season mate.


Hyun I expect a beatdown to the level of AT LEAST Nestea vs Inca.
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
December 01 2012 18:26 GMT
#242
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


wait.. you're saying Ryung lost money because of blizz? LOL are you being serious dude? I think Sniper just played better than him. I think Terran should not even whine at all on the balance. They've been the most op race since the beta, there was a point when more than half gsl code s players were terran AND also, ghosts. Just ghosts. Make them and stop qqing please, thank you.

Ryung didn't lose money because of blizzard, that's a completely stupid statement.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 01 2012 18:26 GMT
#243
On December 02 2012 03:05 [17]Purple wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.


Oh the irony the zerg calls terran players whiners with no shame and ryung is the perfect hero who just downplayed snipers result by blaming race balance and not about him forgetting siege in the final game. Hohoho.
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 01 2012 18:32 GMT
#244
Taeja forgot combat shields in his final game against Sniper too. I think Sniper is imbalanced, making his opponents fuck up such basic upgrades.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
December 01 2012 18:34 GMT
#245
I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.

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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
December 01 2012 18:39 GMT
#246
On December 02 2012 03:26 blade55555 wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:05 [17]Purple wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.


Oh the irony the zerg calls terran players whiners with no shame and ryung is the perfect hero who just downplayed snipers result by blaming race balance and not about him forgetting siege in the final game. Hohoho.

Well, it's not like Sniper wouldn't have won anyway. Even with siege, Ryung still would've lost, if not then, then later on.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
December 01 2012 18:39 GMT
#247
On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.


No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
December 01 2012 18:41 GMT
#248
On December 02 2012 03:39 canikizu wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.


No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.


Isn't Taeja's best MU TvZ?
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 18:41 GMT
#249
On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
December 01 2012 18:44 GMT
#250
LOL MVP_Sniped Ryung

Yay muta ZvZ, way more fun to watch than any other style!
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 18:49:03
December 01 2012 18:47 GMT
#251
On December 02 2012 03:41 Ollie wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.


lol, amazing Overlord placement? No offense. But maybe good overlord placements. But calling overlord placement amazing is kind of a stretch.
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 18:49 GMT
#252
On December 02 2012 03:47 vthree wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:41 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.


lol, amazing Overload placement?


Yes?

It might not seem important, but he caught almost every single drop because of that placement.
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
December 01 2012 18:50 GMT
#253
On December 02 2012 03:41 Ollie wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.

Wouldn't it be Sniper who should be on tilt after losing 2 games straight LOL
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Akamu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States309 Posts
December 01 2012 18:50 GMT
#254
Well i for one will be cheering for Hyun now. I hope sniper loses in both IPL5 and GSL. Ryung probably shouldnt have said what he said but it was heat of the moment and a lot of people know the frustration he's feeling but for Sniper to come out and say that like that... That bothers me. Sign me up for the Anti-fan club of Sniper.
I hear your heart beat to the beat of the drums, what a shame that you came here with someone.
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
December 01 2012 18:51 GMT
#255
On December 02 2012 03:47 vthree wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:41 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.


lol, amazing Overlord placement? No offense. But maybe good overlord placements. But calling overlord placement amazing is kind of a stretch.


Well this is just playing with words.. Amazing, good, spot on, who cares his overlords were well positioned, that's his point lol
Akamu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States309 Posts
December 01 2012 18:53 GMT
#256
On December 02 2012 03:51 crbox wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:47 vthree wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:41 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.


lol, amazing Overlord placement? No offense. But maybe good overlord placements. But calling overlord placement amazing is kind of a stretch.


Well this is just playing with words.. Amazing, good, spot on, who cares his overlords were well positioned, that's his point lol


There is no "skill" in that though. Most of those spots are predetermined and mapped out. You just have to study a little bit and click there once. I'd imagine that spread doesn't look much different than any GM/high masters zerg.
I hear your heart beat to the beat of the drums, what a shame that you came here with someone.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 01 2012 18:54 GMT
#257
On December 02 2012 03:51 crbox wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:47 vthree wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:41 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.


lol, amazing Overlord placement? No offense. But maybe good overlord placements. But calling overlord placement amazing is kind of a stretch.


Well this is just playing with words.. Amazing, good, spot on, who cares his overlords were well positioned, that's his point lol


Yes, and casters get called out when they call fungals 'amazing'. Or do you say terrans have 'amazing' scans when they scan at the typical timings?

And no, it is not just playing with words. For example, calling someone a good player is different than calling someone amazing.
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 18:54 GMT
#258
On December 02 2012 03:50 Whatson wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:41 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.

Wouldn't it be Sniper who should be on tilt after losing 2 games straight LOL


Ryung lost 2 game straight as well. What's your point?
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
December 01 2012 18:58 GMT
#259
So. Sniper, why havent I seen you in the finals before queen patch again?
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
December 01 2012 18:59 GMT
#260
On December 02 2012 03:54 Ollie wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:50 Whatson wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:41 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.

Wouldn't it be Sniper who should be on tilt after losing 2 games straight LOL


Ryung lost 2 game straight as well. What's your point?

Are you serious? Do you actually think that Sniper would be fine after going up 2 games, and then throwing the next two away?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 19:03 GMT
#261
On December 02 2012 03:59 Whatson wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:54 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:50 Whatson wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:41 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:21 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:17 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.


Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?


Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.

Wouldn't it be Sniper who should be on tilt after losing 2 games straight LOL


Ryung lost 2 game straight as well. What's your point?

Are you serious? Do you actually think that Sniper would be fine after going up 2 games, and then throwing the next two away?


Yep! It happens all the time! There are players that are very emotional in their games, and some that aren't.
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
Zefa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States297 Posts
December 01 2012 19:04 GMT
#262
No surprise both players didn't want to play a mirror finals and would have preferred a ZvT. At least hyun directly states that zerg is favored in ZvT but sniper plays it off as if he wanted ZvT for the fans.

I think ZvZ from an observer standpoint is really fun to watch compared to ZvT recently.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
December 01 2012 19:08 GMT
#263
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
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On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
December 01 2012 19:09 GMT
#264
On December 02 2012 03:41 crbox wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:39 canikizu wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.


No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.


Isn't Taeja's best MU TvZ?

He's been more of a TvP specialist traditionally. Currently you'd be hard pressed to find any pro Terrans who say they like TvZ, let alone consider themselves specialists/masters. Compare that with the number of Zergs who say they like ZvT or even outright say it's Zerg favored, and you get a pretty clear picture of what the matchup actually looks like. Still, can't fault Sniper for trying to put down balance talk. If there was a ton of money on the line and I had an inherent advantage, I wouldn't want to lose it either.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
December 01 2012 19:13 GMT
#265
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
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On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.
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Kraidio
Profile Joined May 2011
China133 Posts
December 01 2012 19:14 GMT
#266
Glad that Sniper called out Ryung for such a childish display of sportsmanship. Really like both of these players styles, but I'm hoping Sniper takes it.
A man does what he must — in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers, and pressures — and that is the basis of all human morality.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
December 01 2012 19:16 GMT
#267
So, korean patchzergs got a lot of pride in them.

I really hope Sniper get stomped.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
December 01 2012 19:16 GMT
#268
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.

yup.
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
December 01 2012 19:33 GMT
#269
On December 02 2012 03:26 crbox wrote:
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On December 02 2012 03:12 Nick_54 wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:02 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:54 Koesader wrote:
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.

I guess people feel like Ryung was right.
At least I do.


Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?


People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."

The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.

There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.


wait.. you're saying Ryung lost money because of blizz? LOL are you being serious dude? I think Sniper just played better than him. I think Terran should not even whine at all on the balance. They've been the most op race since the beta, there was a point when more than half gsl code s players were terran AND also, ghosts. Just ghosts. Make them and stop qqing please, thank you.

Ryung didn't lose money because of blizzard, that's a completely stupid statement.


He starts every tvz at a disadvantage or at least on a clock. How the hell would that not cost him money?

There's a reason none of the top korean players use ghosts, its not that they are dumb or havent tried. They've practiced and know a lot more than you.
xTrim
Profile Joined April 2011
472 Posts
December 01 2012 19:41 GMT
#270
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
December 01 2012 19:47 GMT
#271
Just remembered that Lucifer (Undead in warcraft 3. weakest race blabla) always said that the superior player would win. kinda funny cause he played the weakest race. but i guess Lucifer is not a child anymore like Ryung.
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 19:55 GMT
#272
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 01 2012 20:07 GMT
#273
I'm gonna be honest, the whole Sniper is a villain thing is kinda wearing on me. He beats players fans like, but he beats them fairly.
I was a little disappointed in both Ryung and Sniper for their comments. However, I understand that the emotion of the moment probably got to both of them. Ryung must have been very upset after losing a close series, and Sniper was also understandably upset after having his opponent claim his victory was because of imbalance and not skill.

I think people should just calm down and not hate on either player too much. I got kind of disheartened reading through this thread with all the people calling Sniper names and slurs. Seriously, be better than that people! Let's just hope for a good finals, and whatever Blizzard is going to do about balance they will do.
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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
December 01 2012 20:14 GMT
#274
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
December 01 2012 20:17 GMT
#275
On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?


Lucifron was a nobody in February too, guess he is only doing well now because of the patch right?
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 20:20:07
December 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#276
On December 02 2012 05:17 HotGlueGun wrote:
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On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?


Lucifron was a nobody in February too, guess he is only doing well now because of the patch right?

Luci... who?

Oh, the guy who won a WCG Spanish qualifier against his brother. Oh, ye. What about him?
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#277
On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?



But... the Queen patch was in May...
Oz | HerO | Creator | Stork | DRG | Soulkey | Jaedong | Sniper | Byun | TaeJa | Fantasy
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
December 01 2012 20:23 GMT
#278
On December 02 2012 05:17 HotGlueGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?


Lucifron was a nobody in February too, guess he is only doing well now because of the patch right?


Lucifron doing very well in 2010 just saying ...
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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
December 01 2012 20:35 GMT
#279
On December 02 2012 05:21 Ollie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?



But... the Queen patch was in May...

I'm pretty sure that during MLG Spring Arena DRG said something along the lines "I can do whatever I want and still win [against terran]"
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 20:36 GMT
#280
On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?

Hint, search the date when THE PATCH was implemented before you make more silly statements...
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 01 2012 20:36 GMT
#281
On December 02 2012 04:09 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 03:41 crbox wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:39 canikizu wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.


No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.


Isn't Taeja's best MU TvZ?

He's been more of a TvP specialist traditionally. Currently you'd be hard pressed to find any pro Terrans who say they like TvZ, let alone consider themselves specialists/masters. Compare that with the number of Zergs who say they like ZvT or even outright say it's Zerg favored, and you get a pretty clear picture of what the matchup actually looks like. Still, can't fault Sniper for trying to put down balance talk. If there was a ton of money on the line and I had an inherent advantage, I wouldn't want to lose it either.



Incorrect, Taeja during his prime months was much more known for TvZ than TvP. Pretty much the whole reason for his success was his ability to beat Zergs when no other Terrans could (and in fact Zergs would point to Taeja as evidence that MU wasn't imbalanced). Taeja's TvP has never been mind blowing.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 20:40 GMT
#282
On December 02 2012 05:35 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:21 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?



But... the Queen patch was in May...

I'm pretty sure that during MLG Spring Arena DRG said something along the lines "I can do whatever I want and still win [against terran]"

That was during code S ro16 in july aka after the queen patch.
TERRANLOL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States626 Posts
December 01 2012 21:01 GMT
#283
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


Lol. Bogus wasn't even a player before then?
TERRANLOL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States626 Posts
December 01 2012 21:02 GMT
#284
CANT YOU GUYS SEE??? THIS IMBALANCE... it's... TEARING US APART

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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
December 01 2012 21:08 GMT
#285
It's kinda strange that blizzard has never really addressed mirror matchups all being garbage to watch except for tvt.
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 01 2012 21:10 GMT
#286
On December 02 2012 06:08 Glurkenspurk wrote:
It's kinda strange that blizzard has never really addressed mirror matchups all being garbage to watch except for tvt.


I agree, but it's pretty difficult to balance one matchup without affecting the other ones.

I think it has more to do with the fact that Terran is the only well-designed race, so TvT is the only good mirror matchup.
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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
December 01 2012 21:14 GMT
#287
On December 02 2012 06:10 Ollie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 06:08 Glurkenspurk wrote:
It's kinda strange that blizzard has never really addressed mirror matchups all being garbage to watch except for tvt.


I agree, but it's pretty difficult to balance one matchup without affecting the other ones.

I think it has more to do with the fact that Terran is the only well-designed race, so TvT is the only good mirror matchup.


Even minor cosmetic things could improve them though. Making infested terran eggs based on team color and giving roaches a stronger team color would make it seem like much less of a clusterfuck during late game engagements. It would even help the players.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
December 01 2012 21:28 GMT
#288
On December 02 2012 05:40 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:35 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:21 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?



But... the Queen patch was in May...

I'm pretty sure that during MLG Spring Arena DRG said something along the lines "I can do whatever I want and still win [against terran]"

That was during code S ro16 in july aka after the queen patch.

Checked LP just to make sure.

1.4.3 patch AKA Queen Range Patch: EU release Feb 22nd 2012; NA release, Feb 21st 2012.

Either your memory playing tricks or you call second month of a year May.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 21:33:35
December 01 2012 21:33 GMT
#289
On December 02 2012 06:28 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:40 Assirra wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:35 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:21 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?



But... the Queen patch was in May...

I'm pretty sure that during MLG Spring Arena DRG said something along the lines "I can do whatever I want and still win [against terran]"

That was during code S ro16 in july aka after the queen patch.

Checked LP just to make sure.

1.4.3 patch AKA Queen Range Patch: EU release Feb 22nd 2012; NA release, Feb 21st 2012.

Either your memory playing tricks or you call second month of a year May.


You are wrong. It is may 10nth 2012.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5393885

When I think of something else, something will go here
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 01 2012 21:33 GMT
#290
On December 02 2012 06:28 DidYuhim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 05:40 Assirra wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:35 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:21 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 05:14 DidYuhim wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:55 Ollie wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On December 02 2012 04:08 rasers wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:33 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:31 Dragt wrote:
Pretty cocky statement by sniper, considering he hasn´t achieved anything prior the current "meta game shifts".

neither did hyun

neither did Bogus or Ryung.


TIL consistent Code S competition and repeated RO8 accomplishments are considered unimportant.


TIL Being consistently number 1 on Korean ladder is unimportant. (Sniper)

TIL Korean progamers care about ladder.

And Sniper was never close to top of KR ladder before February. I wonder, why?



But... the Queen patch was in May...

I'm pretty sure that during MLG Spring Arena DRG said something along the lines "I can do whatever I want and still win [against terran]"

That was during code S ro16 in july aka after the queen patch.

Checked LP just to make sure.

1.4.3 patch AKA Queen Range Patch: EU release Feb 22nd 2012; NA release, Feb 21st 2012.

Either your memory playing tricks or you call second month of a year May.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.4.3#Balance_Update

Balance Update

On 10 May 2012 (11 May on EU) Blizzard released a balance update which required no patching.

Balance
Protoss

Observer build time decreased from 40 to 30 seconds

Zerg

Overlord movement speed increased from 0.4687 to 0.586, that is 25% faster
Queen anti-ground weapon attack range increased from 3 to 5
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
December 01 2012 21:35 GMT
#291
On December 02 2012 06:33 blade55555 wrote:You are wrong. It is may 10nth 2012.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/5393885


Yes, my bad.
SaWse
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium102 Posts
December 01 2012 21:58 GMT
#292
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote:
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap

based juan, fuck the babies.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
December 01 2012 22:00 GMT
#293
Nobody said game 5 was proof of imbalance... it's the culmination of tournament results for the past few months and the fact that even Blizzard has admitted there are problems with the game balance atm, specifically blord/infestor.
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
December 01 2012 22:02 GMT
#294
On December 02 2012 05:36 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 04:09 forsooth wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:41 crbox wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:39 canikizu wrote:
On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.


No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.


Isn't Taeja's best MU TvZ?

He's been more of a TvP specialist traditionally. Currently you'd be hard pressed to find any pro Terrans who say they like TvZ, let alone consider themselves specialists/masters. Compare that with the number of Zergs who say they like ZvT or even outright say it's Zerg favored, and you get a pretty clear picture of what the matchup actually looks like. Still, can't fault Sniper for trying to put down balance talk. If there was a ton of money on the line and I had an inherent advantage, I wouldn't want to lose it either.



Incorrect, Taeja during his prime months was much more known for TvZ than TvP. Pretty much the whole reason for his success was his ability to beat Zergs when no other Terrans could (and in fact Zergs would point to Taeja as evidence that MU wasn't imbalanced). Taeja's TvP has never been mind blowing.


Incorrect, Taeja was known for both his TvZ and TvP. His TvP's never been "mindblowing" but it was for sure the best of any other player at his prime. Remember TAeja vs First finals? Yeah, that was a steamroll
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
December 01 2012 22:03 GMT
#295
On December 02 2012 01:36 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 01:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:08 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote:
I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.


You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?

Yes, I do

me too

Dito ! snipers play is great ! Ryung is good but the imba comments were tastless , i can absolutely garauntee that sniper would of said nothing about terrans maybe even said that zerg is favored if ryung didn draw first blood . Too be honest though ryung didnt play his best and lost because of it .
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 23:37:42
December 01 2012 23:36 GMT
#296
It would be a shame to see in the finals of the best league a player who lost to Scarlett and HuK and was knocked from the IPL so badly.
Sniper deserves his spot <3 he was good since the beginning of this year when he easily defeated PuMa in prelims
I am very happy to see Life and now HyuN and Sniper in finals much better then shitty TvT finals and terran imba wins last year <3<3<3

HyuN and his advisor Symbol vs Sniper and his advisor DongRaeGu awesome Finals!
reikai
Profile Joined January 2011
United States359 Posts
December 02 2012 00:15 GMT
#297
"Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining."

I think the Korean Terran players are just sick of innovating again as the OTHER races whine and get buffed. Beyond this just being a balance comment, look back:

Every single Factory and Barracks nerfed (tank damage decreased, thors have energy bars, hellion blue flame was nerfed after one MLG where everyone bitched about it. marine and mara have had stim nerfed, reapers (don't get me started), ghosts have had snipe damage decreased.) Even the banshee has been indirectly nerfed with a buff to spore crawler re-rooting speed.

Every single nerf came, and every single time, the Korean terrans, who EVERYONE called imba, boring, GOMTVT, whatever, beat the shit out of every other for the longest time, all without bitching.

I really think they're just tired of it.
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deus.machinarum
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria658 Posts
December 02 2012 01:34 GMT
#298
I was pretty neutral towards both Hyun and Sniper before reading this, but now want nothing more than for Sniper to absolutely crush Hyun. Not even entertaining games. Just pure carnage.

Lovin this kids attitude.
Nothing worth having comes easy.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
December 02 2012 01:38 GMT
#299
These are going to be the first finals since I started watching GSL that I'm actually going to not watch. :/

Sniper should take this. Ez.
Long live the King of Wings
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 01:44:08
December 02 2012 01:42 GMT
#300
On December 01 2012 21:50 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 21:39 MaNaVoId wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:34 Assirra wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:23 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:17 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 21:15 Zoku wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote:
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote:
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins

Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.

i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.


...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?

the exact same goes for hyun

maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT

Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won.
This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.


Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.

Before calling someone a fanboy at least try to understand how Sniper felt.
He just got to the finals of the most prestigious and instead of gg'ing normally Ryung discredits his win.
Combine this with all the zerg imba whine everywhere i am sure that was just the last drop and he sorta exploded, hence the knee-jerk reaction.


Yeah, I have to agree.

Hopefully people will forget about this after a while.

At this point, I want a random pro gamer. MVP has shown that he is actually good with all 3 races (he plays random on ladder last I heard).

Go MVP, come back as random and show us your balancing ways.

Of course inb4 RANDOM IS OP BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE RACE THE PLAYER STARTS AS (easy fix for Blizzard, just make the race revealed in the loading screen).

(Random was OP in BW.)
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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
December 02 2012 01:49 GMT
#301
On December 02 2012 09:15 reikai wrote:
"Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.

Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining."

I think the Korean Terran players are just sick of innovating again as the OTHER races whine and get buffed. Beyond this just being a balance comment, look back:

Every single Factory and Barracks nerfed (tank damage decreased, thors have energy bars, hellion blue flame was nerfed after one MLG where everyone bitched about it. marine and mara have had stim nerfed, reapers (don't get me started), ghosts have had snipe damage decreased.) Even the banshee has been indirectly nerfed with a buff to spore crawler re-rooting speed.

Every single nerf came, and every single time, the Korean terrans, who EVERYONE called imba, boring, GOMTVT, whatever, beat the shit out of every other for the longest time, all without bitching.

I really think they're just tired of it.

Indeed. During the golden age of Mvp, MKP and SlayerS Terrans all Terran matchups were being developed so quickly (with the exception of the 1-1-1 TvP era).

But why bother innovating if Blizzard will just buff you / nerf other races if you all just collectively slack? as history has shown.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 02 2012 01:50 GMT
#302
On December 02 2012 10:38 LimitSEA wrote:
These are going to be the first finals since I started watching GSL that I'm actually going to not watch. :/

Sniper should take this. Ez.


And it's only the 2nd GSL finals in history with a zvz finals woooooo good for you! :D.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
December 02 2012 01:53 GMT
#303
scrolled through this entire thread just to see the read bans haha
Sc2 always got your back
ScandiNAVIan
Profile Joined November 2012
Korea (South)60 Posts
December 02 2012 02:02 GMT
#304
4-0 I believe in you Hyun! Fight Club bonjwa
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
December 02 2012 02:16 GMT
#305
So much Z whining. Now, I want Sniper to win and throw his trophy at Ryung. Lol.

I'm still a Ryung fan though. But, he's a professional and during televised games, that behavior is unacceptable. Hope he clears his head and plays well again next GSL.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
pOnarreT
Profile Joined March 2012
155 Posts
December 02 2012 05:40 GMT
#306
Whiners sux
13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
December 02 2012 06:12 GMT
#307
On December 02 2012 10:50 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 10:38 LimitSEA wrote:
These are going to be the first finals since I started watching GSL that I'm actually going to not watch. :/

Sniper should take this. Ez.


And it's only the 2nd GSL finals in history with a zvz finals woooooo good for you! :D.

maybe he started watching GSL after that one :D?
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