Back in 2006, I debuted as a pro gamer through ProLeague. And during those seven years, the highest position I had ever achieved in my individual results was the Ro24. I was already happy that I had made it to the Ro16 of this season's Code S, but I am so happy right now because I was able to make it to the finals. I want to keep on riding this momentum and win the championship.
Did you not know about the proxy two rax build in game one?
By the time I had find out about it, it was too late for me to do anything about it. I normally scout thoroughly for my TvZs but I did not think about the possibility of proxy raxes for game one. I wasn't in a bad situation or anything but after I suffered damage because of that attack, I hadn't practiced for that kind of scenario so I didn't know what to do afterwards. Which is why I lost.
What was the secret to you being able to win three games in a row afterwards?
I just decided to forget about game one because it was just a build order loss. The maps were really good for me after game one so I had confidence. I think I was able to play comfortably cause I viewed it as a new starting line.
How do you feel about a ZvZ finals?
I think it sucks. ZvZs are really boring and mirror matches bore me. I also think that if Zergs keep on winning like this, we're going to get nerfed so it's not good for us. We already have enough pressure on us because of all the whining Protoss players are saying to the press. Personally, I do think that Zergs have the advantage for ZvTs but ZvPs are 50/50.
Nowadays, what is the standard these days for ZvZs?
I think it's all about mutalisks. Feels like more and more Zergs are using mutas these days. Even the ZvZs that went on for IPL, I saw a ton of mutalisks being used.
The maps have been released for the finals. How do you feel about the contest?
If it was a bo5 I think there would be a contest but since this is a bo7, I don't think there will be a contest. Instead, I think it's going to be a battle of stamina.
What kind of score are you expecting?
I feel like I'm going to 4-0 this but I still want to have fun games. But even if we do produce good games, I doubt we're going to be able to put on a good performance for the audience since it's a ZvZ (laughs). I'm pretty sure that even the professional players in Korea, aside from my teammates, will not be watching the finals.
You have a chance to become the oldest royal roader.
I think that's a great thing. I really want to achieve it. I want to achieve the dream that NesTea hyung was never able to achieve. I feel good because it will be my own title and this is a once in a lifetime opportunity so I do not want to miss it. And I also really want that excalibur sword that Life earned. I want to swing it around at the team house once I get it (laughs).
Are you feeling any pressure from having to play in the finals a day right after the semi finals?
I am strong in this kind of area. I really like fast paced matches and improvisations. This is not that bad for me.
Would you like to comment for the finals?
I finally have a chance that I was never able to get for the longest time in my pro gaming career. I will grab this season's GSL championship and grab the oldest royal roader title. The GSL Tour Finals is coming up and if I can grab the championship for this season's GSL, then I get a chance to play in that tournament. I want to grab a bunch of rabbits at once.
Anything else you would like to say?
I am an old player so I don't really have that many opportunities ahead of me. But since Sniper is young and has a ton of chances to grab, looks like I'm going to have to take this one.
I feel really good. But I am not really happy. I'm just not really feeling it. It's just good. I think I'll really feel something once I grab the championship.
You were looking to be in a great position after grabbing the first two games.
I figured that it was pretty much over. I was actually worrying about winning this too easily. Which is why I ended up letting my guard down and almost allowed a comeback to happen.
How did you feel when the match went all the way to game five?
I felt really anxious. But the map was Daybreak, a map that I practice a ton on on average so I didn't feel like I was going to lose. I felt like as long as he didn't 11-11 me, I had this in the bag.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
How do you feel about a ZvZ finals?
I wanted to face Bogus so this end result was disappointing. I don't mind playing ZvZs but I don't think a mirror match finals will be entertaining. I feel worried for the fans.
What is the standard these days for ZvZs?
I think these days, mutalisks are really good. Mutalisks give you a lot of benefits. It works really well when your opponent doesn't expect it, and mutalisks also give you a lot of great edges in good situations.
The maps have been released for the finals. How do you feel about the contest?
We have to play on all seven maps so I don't think there's going to be any influences for ZvZs.
What kind of score are you expecting?
I think I'm going to take it with about a score of 4-1. I can't really explain why, I just feel like it's going to be a 4-1.
Of the four players from the semi finals of Code S, you are the only one still alive in IPL 5. Do you think you can grab both championships?
I think that's going to be impossible. A lot of players are telling me to hurry up and get eliminated from IPL 5 because it's not going to be good for me to expect to win two championships. I don't really feel a greed to win two championships but since I am approaching my tournaments without putting any pressure on myself, I think I'll be able to do it. I don't really want to win two championships, but I do want to play all my matches without feeling any burdens.
Are you feeling any pressure from having to play in the finals a day right after the semi finals?
I am so tired right now. But it is going to be a mirror match so I just need to stick to the basics without really needing to prepare anything special.
Would you like to comment for the finals?
Until last season, my goals were pretty weak. I chose my goal for this season to grab the championship and I think ever since then, my goals have been getting higher and higher so I was able to make it to the finals. I also was able to make it this far because Killer hyung was always giving me great advice. Since I was able to make it to the finals, I will make sure I grab the championship this time.
Anything else you would like to say?
Last time I thanked Killer hyung, I accidentally called him a coach so he received a lot of concerns from all kinds of people. I want to make it clear that Killer hyung is only the team's captain and that he still plans on functioning as a professional gamer. I hope this cleared up any misunderstandings.
On December 02 2012 02:10 Ollie wrote: You should all be ashamed of yourself. Ryung played really bad in that last game, forgetting Siege mode and making a lot of other mistakes. Sniper has worked his ass off to get where he is now, and Ryung COMPLETELY discredited his win by what he did in a live premiere tournament. Do you have any idea how that would feel? All of a sudden, all of Sniper's work means nothing, and he only won because Zerg is imbalanced. He must have felt terrible after that game. Don't act like Ryung is a hero speaking the truth while Sniper is some cocky kid that needs to be put in his place. They both made controversial comments, and they both handled it very poorly.
As a community, though, we need to stop being so judgemental over a player's actions, and instead focus on how well they play the game. Sniper is a player that has excellent mechanics and was praised by his teammates for a long time. Remember in his PvZs, when he would show excellent micro from his Roaches and Zerglings baiting forcefields in order to stop the Sentry/Immortal all-in? That has nothing to do with Infestors/Broodlords or even Queens for that matter. Get a hold of yourself and stop saying that Sniper was a no talent punk before the Queen patch. He will be around after Zerg is nerfed into the ground, because he's a GOOD player. And you know what? So will Ryung, because he's a GOOD player.
I think it sucks. ZvZs are really boring and mirror matches bore me. I also think that if Zergs keep on winning like this, we're going to get nerfed so it's not good for us. We already have enough pressure on us because of all the whining Protoss players are saying to the press. Personally, I do think that Zergs have the advantage for ZvTs but ZvPs is 50/50.
:O
Nowadays, what is the standard for ZvZs?
I think it's all about mutalisks. Feels like more and more Zergs are using mutas these days. Even the ZvZs that went on for IPL, I saw a ton of mutalisks being used.
apparently even though "nerfing infestors will bring on the mutasuuu in ZvZ!!!" complaints were thrown around, it doesn't make a difference anyways
(Edit: and crap. there goes my random 5000 post. then again I never did anything special for X post count stuff >_>)
Hohoo, zerg imbeciles, I am gonna be so happy when you get nerfed. Calling other players they have no skill when you play the race with arguably the lowest skill cap ( be able to inject well + spend you money = GG)
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote: After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.
Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?
Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club
Ryung failed a proxy 2 rax (unscouted) and then forgot siege mode in the last game, having the attitude to blame imbalance. Definitely Ryung has shown some extremely solid TvZ in the past, but this series was just bad from him. This made me less a fan of Ryung by a lot.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.
That amount of hate from terran players are tiring. I almost wish Blizzard didn't release any statement about balance, that legitimates the whining, and discredits every wins a Zerg player can pull.
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote: After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.
Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?
Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club
Ryung failed a proxy 2 rax (unscouted) and then forgot siege mode in the last game, having the attitude to blame imbalance. Definitely Ryung has shown some extremely solid TvZ in the past, but this series was just bad from him. This made me less a fan of Ryung by a lot.
Did he actually forget, or was it apart of his (greedy) build? I thought it was just late, since he was playing extremely greedy that game with his early 3rd CC
Hope Hyun will win, just because he wants it so much. But you shouldn't qq about a race crying imba, atleast when you play Zerg and the Era of Zerg Tears is still in the mind of people.
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote: Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.
Are you trying to imply that the people who don't even play the goddamn game are more knowledgeable and less biased? I mean simply by not playing the game they're already to some degree less qualified, that's just how it is. An active player, especially at the top, has in most cases a better understanding in some regards.
And I wish people who don't play the game are less biased, but there are only few like that. What we really got are a lot of armchair coaches who also coincidentally have the deepest understanding of gamedesign and balance, who if in charge of the game would turn it into perfection.
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote: Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.
Are you trying to imply that the people who don't even play the goddamn game are more knowledgeable and less biased? I mean simply by not playing the game they're already to some degree less qualified, that's just how it is. An active player, especially at the top, has in most cases a better understanding in some regards.
true, but active players have their own vested interests. people who don't play care less about balance and more so for entertaining games imo
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote: After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.
Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?
Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club
Ryung failed a proxy 2 rax (unscouted) and then forgot siege mode in the last game, having the attitude to blame imbalance. Definitely Ryung has shown some extremely solid TvZ in the past, but this series was just bad from him. This made me less a fan of Ryung by a lot.
Did he actually forget, or was it apart of his (greedy) build? I thought it was just late, since he was playing extremely greedy that game with his early 3rd CC
Well if it was that he forgot or it was planned later. It had nothing to do with imba imba imba and was his own fault.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
haha Sniper needs to dress up as Darth Sidious, he may very well surplant BitbyBit and Rain as top gsl villain if he keeps killing fan favs and making comments like that.
I just have this image of him leaning back in ecstasy saying: "gooood...good" as poor Ryung spams "Imba" in frustration.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
On December 01 2012 21:09 Dodgin wrote: Sniper is doing a good job to make people dislike him even more.
Good work new GSL Villain.
Not only that, he already knocked out MC, TaeJa, Huk and two other foreigners out of IPL5 and will now face HerO. My assumption was right, he only dropped to the loser's bracket to eliminate more fan favorites. I can't imagine what will happen if he beats HyuN at the finals and knocks out HerO out of IPL5...
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the ghost nerf and queen buff?
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Thanks for the translations Seeker. I'm glad that Sniper said what he truly felt and didn't dodge the question or give some bs answer. I am hoping that Hyun takes it though!
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
that patchzerg sniper talks like a real faggot saying terran players are shameless when most zerg players do think zerg is op agaonst terran. He is the shameless one
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
i was replying to the zero results bit.
And I was making the point that he shouldn't act all cocky, saying someone has no skill, when he only got "results" once people started saying zerg imba.
Really hope Hyun wins. I don't know, when there are two players in the finals that I have no particular attachments to I always go for the one who would make the better storyline and 'zerg who has been amazing for ages but couldn't translate it to results in GSL' is a better storyline than 'so called second best zerg on MVP wins tournament'.
Lol pretty convenient for Sniper to pull the "complainers are just no-skill whiners card" when he's playing the strongest race in the current metagame. Fungal has problems and the fact that Blizzard is exploring options to nerf it implies that they feel that it's too strong. Though I admit that Ryung's "IMBA IMBA IMBA" wasn't appropriate, it doesn't change the fact that people are indeed complaining in more appropriate ways and that those complaints are legitimate.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
On December 01 2012 21:31 iGX wrote: i want hyun to beat sniper but lets not start talking about who achieved what. it'll be awhile before hyun can achieve what nestea HAS achieved.
why did you make a comparison between hyun and nestea, not very relevant lol. if you wanna compare anything hyun has actually had online results( a ton of them) + he was actually good in bw where as sniper had an all-kill vs a dead Slayers lol well it doesn't really matter though.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
These interviews are done right after the games are over so he was likely very pissed off that Ryung discredited his win in the chat in the GSL semi finals.
It's understandable, I suppose.
He's kidding himself if he thinks the game balance is perfect, though.
I love Ryung and HyuN, but I love shameless BM even more. Sniper is starting to grow into this villain role people have been putting him into. I fully expect to see him don a trench coat, monocle and top hat for next year's GSL group selection.
On December 01 2012 21:31 iGX wrote: i want hyun to beat sniper but lets not start talking about who achieved what. it'll be awhile before hyun can achieve what nestea HAS achieved.
why did you make a comparison between hyun and nestea, not very relevant lol. if you wanna compare anything hyun has actually had online results( a ton of them) + he was actually good in bw where as sniper had an all-kill vs a dead Slayers lol well it doesn't really matter though.
On December 01 2012 21:36 iKill wrote: Hah, Sniper gained a fan today.
I love Ryung and HyuN, but I love shameless BM even more. Sniper is starting to grow into this villain role people have been putting him into. I fully expect to see him don a trench coat, monocle and top hat for next year's GSL group selection.
On December 01 2012 21:36 iKill wrote: Hah, Sniper gained a fan today.
I love Ryung and HyuN, but I love shameless BM even more. Sniper is starting to grow into this villain role people have been putting him into. I fully expect to see him don a trench coat, monocle and top hat for next year's GSL group selection.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
On December 01 2012 21:31 iGX wrote: i want hyun to beat sniper but lets not start talking about who achieved what. it'll be awhile before hyun can achieve what nestea HAS achieved.
why did you make a comparison between hyun and nestea, not very relevant lol. if you wanna compare anything hyun has actually had online results( a ton of them) + he was actually good in bw where as sniper had an all-kill vs a dead Slayers lol well it doesn't really matter though.
On December 01 2012 21:22 DrPandaPhD wrote: During the very early GSLs you didn't see zerg scream IMBA IMBA in the chat. Was actually quite disgusting behaviour from Ryung.
How many Balancecomplains did you see in all gsls combined? Koreans are not really known for it. Seems that progamers are so desperate that they try the last thing they want just to get blizzards attention somehow.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
Yeah, when he says it like that it just proves that it's been on his mind for some time and you can bet he's received more criticism.
I honestly hope Ryung gets some punishment, the IMBA IMBA is not suited for a progamer whatsoever.
On December 01 2012 21:31 iGX wrote: i want hyun to beat sniper but lets not start talking about who achieved what. it'll be awhile before hyun can achieve what nestea HAS achieved.
why did you make a comparison between hyun and nestea, not very relevant lol. if you wanna compare anything hyun has actually had online results( a ton of them) + he was actually good in bw where as sniper had an all-kill vs a dead Slayers lol well it doesn't really matter though.
he's been a strong, solid zerg for a while. sure, he's had a bit of luck getting to the finals, but he's definitely a better player than most people would like to think
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.
Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.
Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.
he was complaining about zerg op when he was winning 3 GSLs a year :p
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.
Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.
Mvp also said terran was the weakest race back in 2011 when you had utter domination...
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
Before calling someone a fanboy at least try to understand how Sniper felt. He just got to the finals of the most prestigious and instead of gg'ing normally Ryung discredits his win. Combine this with all the zerg imba whine everywhere i am sure that was just the last drop and he sorta exploded, hence the knee-jerk reaction.
Sniper has some balls. I will be rooting for him even though he insulted the Terran race, hell, maybe because of it. He both acknowledged imba and talked shit about other players like a pro. Real talk. I hope his championship acceptance interview is also full of delicious BM.
I think it sucks. ZvZs are really boring and mirror matches bore me. I also think that if Zergs keep on winning like this, we're going to get nerfed so it's not good for us. We already have enough pressure on us because of all the whining Protoss players are saying to the press. Personally, I do think that Zergs have the advantage for ZvTs but ZvPs are 50/50.
Both seem to be true to me. PvZ is really not consistent, one week the Protoss dominate everything, a week later the Zerg do and another week later it's back in favour of the Protoss. That's probably why they cancelled the "Fungal nerf vs psyonic", PvZ can't be fixed by just some simple nerfs, they should rather keep PvZ the way it is (Broken, but balanced) and try to fix ZvT somehow.
And to all the whiners, because Sniper said Ryung has no skill: Ryung kinda did the same, didn't he? I mean, at least SOME modesty should be given in a semi final. These "IMBAIMBAIMBA" whines of Ryung were just stupid and preposterous and completely out of place. I totally understand Sniper's reaction, to be honest. No one expected Ryung to go this far in the tournament and now he's explaining his loss in the SEMI FINALS, with some balance whines? I mean, I agree that Zerg might have a slight advantage in ZvT, but Ryung's behaviour was just not fair at all.
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote: [quote] Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.
Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.
Mvp also said terran was the weakest race back in 2011 when you had utter domination...
why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
On December 01 2012 20:53 opterown wrote: [quote] i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.
Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.
Mvp also said terran was the weakest race back in 2011 when you had utter domination...
You forgot part " on new GSL big maps" .
And yet it didn't stop the terran from dominating.
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.
It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.
Thanks for the interviews! Sniper sure has a knack for being a bad boy, haha. Does anyone know if Ryung will be punished for his "imba, imba"? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I believe typing anything but gl/hf, ppp and gg and the likes was forbidden.
On December 01 2012 22:17 ACrow wrote: Thanks for the interviews! Sniper sure has a knack for being a bad boy, haha. Does anyone know if Ryung will be punished for his "imba, imba"? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I believe typing anything but gl/hf, ppp and gg and the likes was forbidden.
That's Kespa rules, and if strictly enforced, stuff like "gl in finals" would technically be in violation as well.
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.
It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.
I guess. I just hope they talked it over after the match cause rivalies is one thing but like you said, this was just rude.
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
Well, you should consider that the interview was right after the matches - a few hours later, Sniper would probably have answered differently, but I totally understand why he was kind of disappointed by Ryungs behaviour. There's absolutely no excuse for such rude behavious in a semi final and even IdrA never whined live on stage in GSL as far as I know (Even though he sometimes "forgot" to type GG :-P )
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.
It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.
That's rather childish though.
"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."
By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.
The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.
On December 01 2012 22:17 ACrow wrote: Thanks for the interviews! Sniper sure has a knack for being a bad boy, haha. Does anyone know if Ryung will be punished for his "imba, imba"? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I believe typing anything but gl/hf, ppp and gg and the likes was forbidden.
That's Kespa rules, and if strictly enforced, stuff like "gl in finals" would technically be in violation as well.
On December 01 2012 20:50 Zoku wrote: [quote] Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
he then called everyone who complains about zerg people with no skill.
Mvp complained about zerg op, what a no skill dude he is.
Mvp also said terran was the weakest race back in 2011 when you had utter domination...
On December 01 2012 22:17 ACrow wrote: Thanks for the interviews! Sniper sure has a knack for being a bad boy, haha. Does anyone know if Ryung will be punished for his "imba, imba"? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I believe typing anything but gl/hf, ppp and gg and the likes was forbidden.
That's Kespa rules, and if strictly enforced, stuff like "gl in finals" would technically be in violation as well.
So it gives you auto loss, not sure if there would be a punishment but they are prolly at least giving him a warning.
They'll give him a warming, they did the same thing to Bomber when he tried to /dance his units at the end of a game but forgot the "/" at the start. So he received a warning (Yellow card like).
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.
It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.
That's rather childish though.
"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."
By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.
The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.
The pro players are getting desperate because this has been going on for 7 months and there have been no balance changes, so you get outbursts like this. If Blizzard did their job and balanced the game better earlier on it wouldn't have to get to the point where we have all the top threads on Reddit complaining about Zerg and people threatening to quit the game or stop watching the game if nothing changes.
Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.
At least Protoss has their all ins that will work more often than fail if they are better than their opponent.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
So much trashtalk haha But ZvZ is kinda boring so I guess I won't watch it :/
On December 01 2012 22:28 Dodgin wrote: Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.
wasn't BW balance really bad as well for a significant stretch?
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote: Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.
Gj random noobs implying a code s finalist doesn't know what he's talking about
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote: Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.
Gj random noobs implying a code s finalist doesn't know what he's talking about
we should ask ex-fnatic rain's opinion, he's a gsl finalist too ;p
On December 01 2012 20:34 MWY wrote: Gj Sniper insulting 95% of the players and the community. Even guys who dont play anymore and just watch and observe clearly are just calling zerg op because they suck.
Gj random noobs implying a code s finalist doesn't know what he's talking about
MVP's been saying Zerg's imbalanced for a really long time now... he's been to 5x as many finals as this kid.
I understand why Sniper has that mentality, otherwise he wouldn't feel very good about winning and that's why we play the game. Doesn't make it any less wrong, though.
On December 01 2012 22:28 Dodgin wrote: Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.
wasn't BW balance really bad as well for a significant stretch?
Blizzard didn't release any balance patches after BW got big. There was stretches of imbalance in the metagame; for example when Savior was in his prime, ZvP was considered almost unwinnable. Then the Bisu revolution happened.
Y but in BW, game was balanced with new strats AND new maps. In Sc2, u've only 8m2g maps with 10 / 14 bases. It's so frustrating for mapmackers, and it's a huge problem to how balancing this game. Balancing game only with unit changes will always give a poor metagame.
Imba units are awesome and necessary... with balanced maps !
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.
It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.
That's rather childish though.
"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."
By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.
The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.
The pro players are getting desperate because this has been going on for 7 months and there have been no balance changes, so you get outbursts like this. If Blizzard did their job and balanced the game better earlier on it wouldn't have to get to the point where we have all the top threads on Reddit complaining about Zerg and people threatening to quit the game or stop watching the game if nothing changes.
Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.
At least Protoss has their all ins that will work more often than fail if they are better than their opponent.
What has been going on for 7 month? Zerg domination in premier tournaments? Not really, starting May 2012, Terran won 5 of them, Zerg 8, Protoss 9. Yeah, the Terrans are worse than the other two, but "domination" is something else (for example when Terran won about as many tournaments as the other two races combined)
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.
It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.
That's rather childish though.
"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."
By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.
The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.
The pro players are getting desperate because this has been going on for 7 months and there have been no balance changes, so you get outbursts like this. If Blizzard did their job and balanced the game better earlier on it wouldn't have to get to the point where we have all the top threads on Reddit complaining about Zerg and people threatening to quit the game or stop watching the game if nothing changes.
Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.
At least Protoss has their all ins that will work more often than fail if they are better than their opponent.
What has been going on for 7 month? Zerg domination in premier tournaments? Not really, starting May 2012, Terran won 5 of them, Zerg 8, Protoss 9. Yeah, the Terrans are worse than the other two, but "domination" is something else (for example when Terran won about as many tournaments as the other two races combined)
I don't know why you're asking me to explain myself on something I didn't say. I didn't say Zerg has been winning every tournament, you did.
7 months is how long it has been since the last balance patch.
Looking at only the winners of tournaments to determine balance is a terrible idea, you should look at the game itself. For example if we take Taeja out of the numbers Terran goes down to 2 wins, during Taeja's really strong period he transcended the imbalance because he was simply the much better player than his opponents.
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
pro-gamers whine because this is(the game) their job the game should at least be balanced, you should understand it's frustrating to take years of your life away to play a game you love as your job but only to lose(not to due to skill) but because of many imperfections int he game. You also ignore parts of the interview where he calls people no skill for saying zerg op, and that Terran players are shameless.
Then he should have whined to blizzard, not publicly trying to discredit Sniper's win.
It was really rude to Sniper but there's really no better way to get his point across than to type it in the chat for all to see when all the Blizzard employees are sitting in the audience.
That's rather childish though.
"Oh Blizzard employees are watching, perfect time to balance whine on stage as they'll have to address this then (in my limited point of view)."
By that logic Blizzard shouldn't even attend such events because people just try to prove their point via ingame chat instead of just typing gg, not immediately discrediting their opponent and actually address their concerns in an interview or so afterwards.
The idea that Blizzard employees who watch Starcraft 2 events are supposed to feel guilty for what's going on instead of enjoying a tournament is ridiculous. Let them just watch the darn tournament and don't try to force knee-jerk balance reactions on them due to the currently ongoing tournament. They won't ignore the results, don't worry.
The pro players are getting desperate because this has been going on for 7 months and there have been no balance changes, so you get outbursts like this. If Blizzard did their job and balanced the game better earlier on it wouldn't have to get to the point where we have all the top threads on Reddit complaining about Zerg and people threatening to quit the game or stop watching the game if nothing changes.
Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.
At least Protoss has their all ins that will work more often than fail if they are better than their opponent.
What has been going on for 7 month? Zerg domination in premier tournaments? Not really, starting May 2012, Terran won 5 of them, Zerg 8, Protoss 9. Yeah, the Terrans are worse than the other two, but "domination" is something else (for example when Terran won about as many tournaments as the other two races combined)
I don't know why you're asking me to explain myself on something I didn't say. I didn't say Zerg has been winning every tournament, you did.
7 months is how long it has been since the last balance patch.
Looking at only the winners of tournaments to determine balance is a terrible idea, you should look at the game itself. For example if we take Taeja out of the numbers Terran goes down to 2 wins, during Taeja's really strong period he transcended the imbalance because he was simply the much better player than his opponents.
Has it been 7 months?! What the heck time passes fast >.< Feel so old now...
On December 01 2012 22:28 Dodgin wrote: Maybe It's childish but all I can do right now is feel bad for the pro gamers that have to endure the current state of the game for a living, if I were them I would have quit or changed my race.
wasn't BW balance really bad as well for a significant stretch?
As soon as BW was patched back in 2001 or so iirc every imbalance was caused by maps or "recent" trends (sair reaver trend turned PvZ on its head to name one).
Sniper should have said something like "I want to thank Blizzard and personally David Kim, without them I would never get in the final". Instead of this he claims that terran players are shameless and balance whinners have no skill. This is very funny :D
On December 01 2012 23:44 erw wrote: of course sniper is gonna be pissed when ryung blames everything on balance and shouts imba imba imba at a code s semifinals
Ryung couldn't win GSL even during the Super Tournament times, and he never will, even if Terran becomes ridiculously OP one day.
It's hilarious that he whined at the end of a match he lost 3-2. He might have won if he didn't proxy 11/11 all in and actually played a straight up game in game 2. Does he really think he's that much better than Sniper, that he barely lost even when the game is so "imba imba imba"? Needs an ego check.
I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.
On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote: I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.
You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?
I didn't say that, and it doesn't matter if I do. He's not so far below Ryung that a close victory of his is only possible due to imbalance. edit: and it's pretty clear that Ryung was not playing his best over the past couple of days
On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote: I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.
You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?
Why not? Ryung messed up and Sniper didn't. This was after Ryung came back from 2 - 0 to 2 - 2 so he should have the mental advantage as well.
On December 01 2012 22:19 Weavel wrote: It's quite disgusting how Ryung can act like and idiot and nobody cares, but when sniper calls him out people hate on him.
The above post is definitely over exaggerating, as I don't think that many people do hate him. Regardless, the community does look at Ryung's comment during the game in a lighter light than Sniper's statement during the interview. But I think that is not because of zerg bashing mood that has become more dominant in the past few months. Because regardless how the community hates a loosing player raging at his opponent at the end of the game (without falling into obscenities ofc), a winner insulting the loser after the game is much much worse.
Anyways, I am a bit disappointed in Sniper. Not because of his statement, but because he missed such a great opportunity. Had he instead given an MVP-like answer it would've been a perfect chance to show the world that he does not only the skills of a champion, but also the character and the mindset deserving one.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
DAMN can he be more evil?
Clearly his ploy to achieve more fan hatred so that he can sweep the finals with that 4-1 score.
On December 01 2012 21:24 NovemberstOrm wrote: sniper gonna have 0 fans if he keeps this up.
I'm really starting to like him. He probably knows that he isn't very popular because he kills so many fan-favs, but I kinda like it how he doesn't give a fuck about it and just continues to smash faces.
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yea he is sooooooo bad! cant belive he got to SEMI FINALS in the BEST sc2 league there is. And losing 3-2 to a "patchzerg" in close series. So awful..... -.-
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.
I knew this woudl come up.
ryung is just not that good. He's not a taeja or a MVP etc. He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one.
Everytime I see ryung play, he's good obviously compared to many foreigners, but compared to other standout Korean t's, he just looks very average.
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.
And yet he lost and tried to discredit Sniper who might i add is in the final now.
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yea he is sooooooo bad! cant belive he got to SEMI FINALS in the BEST sc2 league there is. And losing 3-2 to a "patchzerg" in close series. So awful..... -.-
Can we please stop with that retarded term every single time a zerg wins a match/set.
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yea he is sooooooo bad! cant belive he got to SEMI FINALS in the BEST sc2 league there is. And losing 3-2 to a "patchzerg" in close series. So awful..... -.-
How is Sniper a patchzerg? He is having success like 5 months after the patch lol. You might as call Life a patch Zerg or Soulkey.
Thats why i did the " sign haven't heard about Sniper before today. Didn't even know he was in the semi finals in gsl before todays games. Maybe im wrong about the "patchzerg" Will look for more info about him
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.
I knew this woudl come up.
ryung is just not that good. He's not a taeja or a MVP etc. He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one.
Everytime I see ryung play, he's good obviously compared to many foreigners, but compared to other standout Korean t's, he just looks very average.
This...
"He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one." sums it up perfectly.
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.
I knew this woudl come up.
ryung is just not that good. He's not a taeja or a MVP etc. He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one.
Everytime I see ryung play, he's good obviously compared to many foreigners, but compared to other standout Korean t's, he just looks very average.
This...
"He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one." sums it up perfectly.
I agree with this but at the same time It's kind of weird because when I think of memorable games Ryung is in a few of them compared to most players who are in 0. Ryung vs DRG on Whirlwind and Ryung vs Flash on Whirlwind are games that I will remember for being such good quality.
At the time he does have that feeling about him like " he won't ever win it big but he will hang around "
I also had that feeling about Sniper forever, though. Now he's in the finals.
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yeah, he is so shitty man! Bad players can get to the ro4 of GSL. Give me a break, its not like he lost 3-0 either, it was a close series that ended 3-2.
I knew this woudl come up.
ryung is just not that good. He's not a taeja or a MVP etc. He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one.
Everytime I see ryung play, he's good obviously compared to many foreigners, but compared to other standout Korean t's, he just looks very average.
This...
"He's the type that'll hang around, but never win the big one." sums it up perfectly.
I agree with this but at the same time It's kind of weird because when I think of memorable games Ryung is in a few of them compared to most players who are in 0. Ryung vs DRG on Whirlwind and Ryung vs Flash on Whirlwind are games that I will remember for being such good quality.
At the time he does have that feeling about him like " he won't ever win it big but he will hang around "
I also had that feeling about Sniper forever, though. Now he's in the finals.
If being in the finals meant you'd win it big, then Kongs would be kings.
I really can't stand sniper. Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either. Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.
On December 02 2012 01:22 Kanaz wrote: I really can't stand sniper. Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either. Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.
he's in the finals of code s? how is he not a high end code s player
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.
Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.
I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.
Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.
I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Yea he is sooooooo bad! cant belive he got to SEMI FINALS in the BEST sc2 league there is. And losing 3-2 to a "patchzerg" in close series. So awful..... -.-
Can we please stop with that retarded term every single time a zerg wins a match/set.
Once people start calling Nestea a patchzerg I am going to draw the line
The only Zerg that isn't a patchzerg is Fruitdealer :p
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
These interviews are done right after the games are over so he was likely very pissed off that Ryung discredited his win in the chat in the GSL semi finals.
It's understandable, I suppose.
He's kidding himself if he thinks the game balance is perfect, though.
Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed off too if I just made the finals of the most prestigious tournament in the world and some guy was claiming I'm only there because of imbalance. It really devalues the moment. It's reasonable for Sniper to be upset.
On December 02 2012 01:22 Kanaz wrote: I really can't stand sniper. Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either. Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.
he's in the finals of code s? how is he not a high end code s player
Ehh it's happened before when players make one finals and then disappear completely. I think what he means is Ryung has been in Code S for longer while Sniper may just be a one season wonder(Not to mention any zerg winning after patch nowadays is instantly called a patchzerg)
In other words some one who is newer to Code S shouldn't be calling someone who has been in Code S for a while now(Especially with the new format) No skill... If sniper hangs around Code S for a couple more seasons while Ryung falls out then he can call him no skill...
Note: I'm not trying to defend what Ryung said it was fucking stupid. I found it funny but I can see why Sniper and others would be upset by it. I'm merely pointing out Sniper is being just as dumb by calling Ryung No Skill. Both comments where made in the heat of the moment with emotions running high, Ryung having just lost in ro4 must have been heart breaking. And sniper with adrenaline pumping after a victory lashing out at some one trying to discredit his win. Lets let them build an epic rivarly of hatred fuelled with tons of amazing Code S matches and let the silly drama die for once.. please?
On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote: I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.
You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?
Sniper should just embrace the bad guy role and tell everyone cheering against him that they can suck a fat one (as he points to his crotch). That would be fun and make him infinitely more popular (in the end). His calling out Terran players is a good start.
On December 02 2012 01:22 Kanaz wrote: I really can't stand sniper. Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either. Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.
he's in the finals of code s? how is he not a high end code s player
Ehh it's happened before when players make one finals and then disappear completely. I think what he means is Ryung has been in Code S for longer while Sniper may just be a one season wonder(Not to mention any zerg winning after patch nowadays is instantly called a patchzerg)
In other words some one who is newer to Code S shouldn't be calling someone who has been in Code S for a while now(Especially with the new format) No skill... If sniper hangs around Code S for a couple more seasons while Ryung falls out then he can call him no skill...
And somebody who lost in the Code S semi finals shouldn't yell "IMBA IMBA IMBA" to the winning player trying to discredit him. I can't believe people are so hung up about this, it's so obvious what Sniper said was a knee-jerk reaction on what Ryung did. Sniper is a progamer, he knows that the current balance favors Zerg without a doubt. However when someone yells it in your face right during your moment of glory it will sting way harder then just a random forum poster, hence the reactionary interview.
On December 02 2012 01:22 Kanaz wrote: I really can't stand sniper. Indirectly calling ryung no skill. I mean, look at yourself buddie, you are not quite high end code s player either. Won't watch the finals, but i will cheer for Hyun.
he's in the finals of code s? how is he not a high end code s player
Ehh it's happened before when players make one finals and then disappear completely. I think what he means is Ryung has been in Code S for longer while Sniper may just be a one season wonder(Not to mention any zerg winning after patch nowadays is instantly called a patchzerg)
In other words some one who is newer to Code S shouldn't be calling someone who has been in Code S for a while now(Especially with the new format) No skill... If sniper hangs around Code S for a couple more seasons while Ryung falls out then he can call him no skill...
And somebody who lost in the Code S semi finals shouldn't yell "IMBA IMBA IMBA" to the winning player trying to discredit him. I can't believe people are so hung up about this, it's so obvious what Sniper said was a knee-jerk reaction on what Ryung did.
Please read the note I edited into my post. I'm not actually trying to defend either players actions. Both were made in the heat of the moment and stupid(And imo not that big of a deal....)
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.
Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.
I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though
7 months ago sniper was a nobody.
Sniper is extremely young and extremely good. After they nerf infestors he's still going to be around.
I ragequited the stream way before the IMBA IMBA (and having seen the screenshot, Ryung went really too far ><). But that made me think about how zerg has been buffed for what, 18 months. 18 months during which no zerg ever used any infestors and claimed it was a bad unit. What I'm trying to say is that if you transpose modern zerg play and maps to old patches (no, not to reaper era), zerg will probably will be well balanced. Which means that Blizzard should never have patched the game after fixing the 5 rax reaper xD
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.
Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.
I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though
7 months ago sniper was a nobody.
Sniper is extremely young and extremely good. After they nerf infestors he's still going to be around.
For those defending Sniper, saying he is high end code s. Yes he is in the finals right now. But if you look at how many seasons he's been in, he never really got far at all. Thats not high end code s to me, if you are high end you end there consistenly. Calling out Ryung as no skill - The guy has been in Ro4 twice, Ro8 twice, and generally been around in code s for longer time consistenly. Sure it's an achievement making it to the finals, but that doesn't make you high end code s player - consistenly ending high up does. One good run doesn't make you high end. To many variables included, to determine if you make it all the way - So you can't judge high end from a single run. At least i can, but you can feel free to think otherwise.
On December 02 2012 00:56 jj33 wrote: nothing wrong with what sniper said. it's truth.
You all should be on ryung for being a crybaby.
Ryung is not that good.
Code S for ages vs Zerg who wasn't shit before the patch.
Who's got more credibility as a player? You decide.
I believe sniper was more of a teamleague player iirc and quoting about a "patch" that came out over 7 months ago and increased the queen range by 2...Something tells me sniper didn't beat ryung because of queens... nice try though
7 months ago sniper was a nobody.
10 months ago Sniper was playing a very close series against Mvp in the last round of Code A, as a kid who just turned 17.
Compared to Ryung, who has been a mediocre player bouncing between Code A and Code S for ages, without ever winning anything, ever all killing in team leagues, nothing. Just the perfect picture of mediocrity.
On December 02 2012 01:38 MrCon wrote: I ragequited the stream way before the IMBA IMBA (and having seen the screenshot, Ryung went really too far ><). But that made me think about how zerg has been buffed for what, 18 months. 18 months during which no zerg ever used any infestors and claimed it was a bad unit. What I'm trying to say is that if you transpose modern zerg play and maps to old patches (no, not to reaper era), zerg will probably will be well balanced. Which means that Blizzard should never have patched the game after fixing the 5 rax reaper xD
Well don't forget that infestor got a massive switch in the fungal department. Before it was the same damage over 8 seconds instead of 4. The DPS essentially got doubled if you have enough infestors to keep it up. Before that people simply preferred muta's since they allowed very easy harass (at the time since pro's couldn't defend right to it yet)
. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills
This is hilarious. I can't wait to see where both of these players will end up once the metagame shifts back to normal.
Ryung will be in Code A getting easy money in foreign tournaments and Sniper will be a Code S regular. I don't know if anyone noticed but he barely used any BL or Infestors..
BL and infestors aren't the only things that are ridiculous right now. Sniper is just like Jjakji, a player who won when the meta-game was ridiculously in Terran's favour and who has now fallen off. We'll see when HotS is here.
On December 02 2012 01:38 MrCon wrote: I ragequited the stream way before the IMBA IMBA (and having seen the screenshot, Ryung went really too far ><). But that made me think about how zerg has been buffed for what, 18 months. 18 months during which no zerg ever used any infestors and claimed it was a bad unit. What I'm trying to say is that if you transpose modern zerg play and maps to old patches (no, not to reaper era), zerg will probably will be well balanced. Which means that Blizzard should never have patched the game after fixing the 5 rax reaper xD
Well don't forget that infestor got a massive switch in the fungal department. Before it was the same damage over 8 seconds instead of 4. The DPS essentially got doubled if you have enough infestors to keep it up.
One could argue that it was a nerf tho. I'm still not sure but I'm not sure that reverting this change in the current game and going back to a 8 seconds root would really be a nerf. Well it would be a nerf in ZvP I suppose, where the dps is more important I think ? I also not talk about every change, for instance the hit point buffs for hatcheries/nexus was good. But in the current map pool the old medivac speed would be good (they nerfed it when xelnaga caverns was still played in every tournament). The problem (if there is a problem), is that all these patches were fixing problems that the modern maps also fixed, which is why it possibly went too far in the changes.
. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills
This is hilarious. I can't wait to see where both of these players will end up once the metagame shifts back to normal.
Ryung will be in Code A getting easy money in foreign tournaments and Sniper will be a Code S regular. I don't know if anyone noticed but he barely used any BL or Infestors..
easy money in foreign tournaments?
I doubt it. I've seen ryung in foreign tournaments and he lost there, looking very mediocre.
. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills
This is hilarious. I can't wait to see where both of these players will end up once the metagame shifts back to normal.
Ryung will be in Code A getting easy money in foreign tournaments and Sniper will be a Code S regular. I don't know if anyone noticed but he barely used any BL or Infestors..
BL and infestors aren't the only things that are ridiculous right now. Sniper is just like Jjakji, a player who won when the meta-game was ridiculously in Terran's favour and who has now fallen off. We'll see when HotS is here.
No surprise that a player whose strength is in TvZ falls off when the patch hit that hard. Just look at MMA.
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote: After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.
Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?
Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club
I feel the same, I was impressed with Sniper, but his comments made him a douchebag imo. I hope Hyun crushes his ass 4-0.
While I agree with this(The bolded part only). Don't forget Sniper said this as a response to Ryung typing pretty much saying Sniper only won because of imba race which is pretty damn BM....
. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills
This is hilarious. I can't wait to see where both of these players will end up once the metagame shifts back to normal.
Ryung will be in Code A getting easy money in foreign tournaments and Sniper will be a Code S regular. I don't know if anyone noticed but he barely used any BL or Infestors..
BL and infestors aren't the only things that are ridiculous right now. Sniper is just like Jjakji, a player who won when the meta-game was ridiculously in Terran's favour and who has now fallen off. We'll see when HotS is here.
No surprise that a player whose strength is in TvZ falls off when the patch hit that hard. Just look at MMA.
I went from hating Sniper (only for killing Leenock) to loving him after reading this interview. I love when pro-gamers will "bite-back" when verbally attacked or mocked.
You should all be ashamed of yourself. Ryung played really bad in that last game, forgetting Siege mode and making a lot of other mistakes. Sniper has worked his ass off to get where he is now, and Ryung COMPLETELY discredited his win by what he did in a live premiere tournament. Do you have any idea how that would feel? All of a sudden, all of Sniper's work means nothing, and he only won because Zerg is imbalanced. He must have felt terrible after that game. Don't act like Ryung is a hero speaking the truth while Sniper is some cocky kid that needs to be put in his place. They both made controversial comments, and they both handled it very poorly.
As a community, though, we need to stop being so judgemental over a player's actions, and instead focus on how well they play the game. Sniper is a player that has excellent mechanics and was praised by his teammates for a long time. Remember in his PvZs, when he would show excellent micro from his Roaches and Zerglings baiting forcefields in order to stop the Sentry/Immortal all-in? That has nothing to do with Infestors/Broodlords or even Queens for that matter. Get a hold of yourself and stop saying that Sniper was a no talent punk before the Queen patch. He will be around after Zerg is nerfed into the ground, because he's a GOOD player. And you know what? So will Ryung, because he's a GOOD player.
I was pretty neutral towards both Hyun and Sniper before reading this, but now want nothing more than for Hyun to absolutely crush Sniper. Not even entertaining games. Just pure carnage.
On December 01 2012 19:42 padfoota wrote: After what he did to slayers I was already not a fan of Snipers, plus hes zerg.
Now he calls ryung no skill. Sure, ryung had some weird builds in there, but really?
Wheres the Sniper anti-fan club
I feel the same, I was impressed with Sniper, but his comments made him a douchebag imo. I hope Hyun crushes his ass 4-0.
What? oO How would you feel when you just made it to the fucking GSL finals as a 17year old kid and in the moment of glory someone basicly tells you infront of thousands of people that you only won because the race you play has an edge right now? People always complain about Koreans being boring robots(which is ridiculously stupid) and now that this kid showed some actual emotion after being bm'ed incredibly hard, he gets all the hate in the world for it. This community really can't get any worse.
ryung was bm, sniper counters with more bm, and that is about it, i know it is frustrating, but each and every zerg that is doing well now (and has not been before the patches / metashift) will get less aknowledgement than usual.
edit: look the later interview with slasher he is much more composed, so just relax and dont hate either player.
HAHA sniper so bold. People already hated him before this interview, now its just getting worse. If he only knew how huge his anti-fan base is lol Although im not sure how serious ryung was about this imba imba imba, might as well have been only half-serious
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
Between 2 BMer, the one that still state the "fact" usually has more support. Everybody knows the state of TvZ right now, you have one person whole BM the race IMBA IMBA, and you have a person who BM the race players having no skills. It's normal that people like Ryung more, it's not like TvZ is in T favor anyway.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.
Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...
Really don't get how Sniper is the bad guy here... He was obviously pissed at Ryung for good reason and just said what was on his mind, instead of dodging the question like most Koreans would do. He also seems fed up with all the Terran qq nowadays detracting from his success. Also he didn't abuse the BL/Infestor/Corruptor to win either, he capitalized on the many mistakes of Ryung.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.
Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...
Wtf is wrong with you? You want the community to never accept new zergs now because they had no success before the patch? Sorry for all the Jaedong fans - even when he finds success now he will just be a patchzerg. Oh and Life is a patchzerg too? That's interesting.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.
Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...
First off, Sniper has been working hard for a very long time. Second, most of the Zergs that are winning nowadays started to get popular AFTER the buff. Life, Symbol, Hyun, Sniper, and Violet pretty much all came after the buff. While Leenock is still relevant and is still very good, you hardly see DongRaeGu, NesTea, July, LosirA, Zenio, or most of the other pre-buff Zergs winning much anymore. This doesn't have anything to do with the buff, though. This has to do with the way the game works. Starcraft in a competitive sense is extremely volatile. Not only could you do the same with Terrans and protoss, but Brood War was the exact same way.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.
Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...
How do you know Sniper wasn't working hard last year? Breaking into Code A is hard as shit, so it took Sniper a couple tries but now he's upto to Code S and thats all that matters. Being well-known before the patch is necessary nowadays to be "legit"? The kid is only 17 give him a break.
On December 02 2012 02:10 Ollie wrote: You should all be ashamed of yourself. Ryung played really bad in that last game, forgetting Siege mode and making a lot of other mistakes. Sniper has worked his ass off to get where he is now, and Ryung COMPLETELY discredited his win by what he did in a live premiere tournament. Do you have any idea how that would feel? All of a sudden, all of Sniper's work means nothing, and he only won because Zerg is imbalanced. He must have felt terrible after that game. Don't act like Ryung is a hero speaking the truth while Sniper is some cocky kid that needs to be put in his place. They both made controversial comments, and they both handled it very poorly.
As a community, though, we need to stop being so judgemental over a player's actions, and instead focus on how well they play the game. Sniper is a player that has excellent mechanics and was praised by his teammates for a long time. Remember in his PvZs, when he would show excellent micro from his Roaches and Zerglings baiting forcefields in order to stop the Sentry/Immortal all-in? That has nothing to do with Infestors/Broodlords or even Queens for that matter. Get a hold of yourself and stop saying that Sniper was a no talent punk before the Queen patch. He will be around after Zerg is nerfed into the ground, because he's a GOOD player. And you know what? So will Ryung, because he's a GOOD player.
This a hundred times. To have your greatest achievement yet discredited in-game in front of a world audience would piss anyone off. I don't agree with Sniper's comments but I understand his anger. I also understand the frustration of the community, but to take it out on Sniper, wish for him to be crushed and hate him for one stupid comment makes me so happy that I'm not a progamer.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
i agree, the hypocrisy is just ridiculous.
Yeah, because, as we all know, Sniper has worked really hard just as long as Ryung has and was a good, well-known player before zerg got buffed...
First off, Sniper has been working hard for a very long time. Second, most of the Zergs that are winning nowadays started to get popular AFTER the buff. Life, Symbol, Hyun, Sniper, and Violet pretty much all came after the buff. While Leenock is still relevant and is still very good, you hardly see DongRaeGu, NesTea, July, LosirA, Zenio, or most of the other pre-buff Zergs winning much anymore. This doesn't have anything to do with the buff, though. This has to do with the way the game works. Starcraft in a competitive sense is extremely volatile. Not only could you do the same with Terrans and protoss, but Brood War was the exact same way.
Good post, I never thought of how the older big time zergs were doing in light of the patch. Puts things in perspective regarding the skill of the new up and comers.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote: I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.
You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?
Yes, I do
me too
Yup, I agree. And I think he will beat Hyun in the finals.
"Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining."
That + I agree with Hyun that ZvZ is all about mutas now. Early map control is so much superior to the straight to infestor style I feel like.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
Well...I have told somebody "You aren't exactly the type of person I would try to pick up at a bar..."
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
Really? The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
Really? The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.
No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
Really? The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.
No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series.
Ryung should be ashamed of himself.
Indirect insult =/= direct insult to a section of the player base
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.
Sniper was insulting Terran players that discredit his victories. You know, the players that call him a no-skill patchzerg?
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
Really? The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.
No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series.
Ryung should be ashamed of himself.
Indirect insult =/= direct insult to a section of the player base
He discredits every single zerg win that is done now with that statement.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
Really? The difference is Ryung never insulted Zerg players personally.
No, but he indirectly insulted Sniper and downplayed his win right as he grabbed the victory in a hard fought series.
Ryung should be ashamed of himself.
Indirect insult =/= direct insult to a section of the player base
He discredits every single zerg win that is done now with that statement.
No he doesn't. Everyone said Terran was imba and but it did not discredit every single Terran win
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
wait.. you're saying Ryung lost money because of blizz? LOL are you being serious dude? I think Sniper just played better than him. I think Terran should not even whine at all on the balance. They've been the most op race since the beta, there was a point when more than half gsl code s players were terran AND also, ghosts. Just ghosts. Make them and stop qqing please, thank you.
Ryung didn't lose money because of blizzard, that's a completely stupid statement.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.
Oh the irony the zerg calls terran players whiners with no shame and ryung is the perfect hero who just downplayed snipers result by blaming race balance and not about him forgetting siege in the final game. Hohoho.
I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
If you can't differentiate the race from the player, there is a problem. Ryung was at least venting his frustration on the state of the game and Zerg in general. Sniper on the other hand insults Terran PLAYERS by calling them no-skill whiners, there is a big difference between the two statements.
Oh the irony the zerg calls terran players whiners with no shame and ryung is the perfect hero who just downplayed snipers result by blaming race balance and not about him forgetting siege in the final game. Hohoho.
Well, it's not like Sniper wouldn't have won anyway. Even with siege, Ryung still would've lost, if not then, then later on.
On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.
No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.
On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.
No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
lol, amazing Overlord placement? No offense. But maybe good overlord placements. But calling overlord placement amazing is kind of a stretch.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
lol, amazing Overload placement?
Yes?
It might not seem important, but he caught almost every single drop because of that placement.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
Wouldn't it be Sniper who should be on tilt after losing 2 games straight LOL
Well i for one will be cheering for Hyun now. I hope sniper loses in both IPL5 and GSL. Ryung probably shouldnt have said what he said but it was heat of the moment and a lot of people know the frustration he's feeling but for Sniper to come out and say that like that... That bothers me. Sign me up for the Anti-fan club of Sniper.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
lol, amazing Overlord placement? No offense. But maybe good overlord placements. But calling overlord placement amazing is kind of a stretch.
Well this is just playing with words.. Amazing, good, spot on, who cares his overlords were well positioned, that's his point lol
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
lol, amazing Overlord placement? No offense. But maybe good overlord placements. But calling overlord placement amazing is kind of a stretch.
Well this is just playing with words.. Amazing, good, spot on, who cares his overlords were well positioned, that's his point lol
There is no "skill" in that though. Most of those spots are predetermined and mapped out. You just have to study a little bit and click there once. I'd imagine that spread doesn't look much different than any GM/high masters zerg.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
lol, amazing Overlord placement? No offense. But maybe good overlord placements. But calling overlord placement amazing is kind of a stretch.
Well this is just playing with words.. Amazing, good, spot on, who cares his overlords were well positioned, that's his point lol
Yes, and casters get called out when they call fungals 'amazing'. Or do you say terrans have 'amazing' scans when they scan at the typical timings?
And no, it is not just playing with words. For example, calling someone a good player is different than calling someone amazing.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
Wouldn't it be Sniper who should be on tilt after losing 2 games straight LOL
Ryung lost 2 game straight as well. What's your point?
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
Wouldn't it be Sniper who should be on tilt after losing 2 games straight LOL
Ryung lost 2 game straight as well. What's your point?
Are you serious? Do you actually think that Sniper would be fine after going up 2 games, and then throwing the next two away?
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
Did you even watch those games? Ryung cost himself money. He made SEVERAL mistakes. I would have understood it if it was a classic, textbook Infestor/Broodlord vs. Terran game where the Terran played amazingly but the Zerg made Infestors so he won, but that's not what happened. Ryung played badly in those games, and then whined about it.
Yeah, I did watch the games. You want to explain all the mistakes he made to me?
Let's see. Bad Turret placement and forgetting to lift his supply depots on Whirlwind, letting the Zerglings by on Cloud Kingdom, forgetting Siege Mode on Daybreak. He was on tilt the entire series, and wasn't his usual self. Meanwhile, Sniper had amazing Overlord placement, great army positioning and good micro.
Wouldn't it be Sniper who should be on tilt after losing 2 games straight LOL
Ryung lost 2 game straight as well. What's your point?
Are you serious? Do you actually think that Sniper would be fine after going up 2 games, and then throwing the next two away?
Yep! It happens all the time! There are players that are very emotional in their games, and some that aren't.
No surprise both players didn't want to play a mirror finals and would have preferred a ZvT. At least hyun directly states that zerg is favored in ZvT but sniper plays it off as if he wanted ZvT for the fans.
I think ZvZ from an observer standpoint is really fun to watch compared to ZvT recently.
On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.
No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.
Isn't Taeja's best MU TvZ?
He's been more of a TvP specialist traditionally. Currently you'd be hard pressed to find any pro Terrans who say they like TvZ, let alone consider themselves specialists/masters. Compare that with the number of Zergs who say they like ZvT or even outright say it's Zerg favored, and you get a pretty clear picture of what the matchup actually looks like. Still, can't fault Sniper for trying to put down balance talk. If there was a ton of money on the line and I had an inherent advantage, I wouldn't want to lose it either.
Glad that Sniper called out Ryung for such a childish display of sportsmanship. Really like both of these players styles, but I'm hoping Sniper takes it.
On December 02 2012 02:17 mango_destroyer wrote: Ryung BMs and it is all okay with the majority of the community, but when Sniper calls Ryung out on his whine, he is a douchebag....hmmmm.
I guess people feel like Ryung was right. At least I do.
Why is Ryung being right have to do with anything? He was being a complete dick by doing that. There are a bunch of different ways he can complain about balance like in interviews but he choose to do it in that game. If someone was fat and ugly would you tell them that to their face? Will the truth of it make things okay?
People have complained in interviews for six months. Guess what happened? Jack shit. Ryung is losing money because of Blizzard not being willing to do anything. I'm glad he spoke his mind and hope it leads to Blizzard waking up and trying to fix the game instead of saying "its fine."
The fat and ugly analogy makes no sense. It wouldn't hurt me, so I wouldn't say shit. Ryung is being cost MONEY because of the game being broken. This is obvisouly hurting him.
There's a reason everyone is ok with it. He's right, we want change, and maybe this will actually get Blizzard to work out a change. Nothing else has yet.
wait.. you're saying Ryung lost money because of blizz? LOL are you being serious dude? I think Sniper just played better than him. I think Terran should not even whine at all on the balance. They've been the most op race since the beta, there was a point when more than half gsl code s players were terran AND also, ghosts. Just ghosts. Make them and stop qqing please, thank you.
Ryung didn't lose money because of blizzard, that's a completely stupid statement.
He starts every tvz at a disadvantage or at least on a clock. How the hell would that not cost him money?
There's a reason none of the top korean players use ghosts, its not that they are dumb or havent tried. They've practiced and know a lot more than you.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining.
Just remembered that Lucifer (Undead in warcraft 3. weakest race blabla) always said that the superior player would win. kinda funny cause he played the weakest race. but i guess Lucifer is not a child anymore like Ryung.
I'm gonna be honest, the whole Sniper is a villain thing is kinda wearing on me. He beats players fans like, but he beats them fairly. I was a little disappointed in both Ryung and Sniper for their comments. However, I understand that the emotion of the moment probably got to both of them. Ryung must have been very upset after losing a close series, and Sniper was also understandably upset after having his opponent claim his victory was because of imbalance and not skill.
I think people should just calm down and not hate on either player too much. I got kind of disheartened reading through this thread with all the people calling Sniper names and slurs. Seriously, be better than that people! Let's just hope for a good finals, and whatever Blizzard is going to do about balance they will do.
On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.
No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.
Isn't Taeja's best MU TvZ?
He's been more of a TvP specialist traditionally. Currently you'd be hard pressed to find any pro Terrans who say they like TvZ, let alone consider themselves specialists/masters. Compare that with the number of Zergs who say they like ZvT or even outright say it's Zerg favored, and you get a pretty clear picture of what the matchup actually looks like. Still, can't fault Sniper for trying to put down balance talk. If there was a ton of money on the line and I had an inherent advantage, I wouldn't want to lose it either.
Incorrect, Taeja during his prime months was much more known for TvZ than TvP. Pretty much the whole reason for his success was his ability to beat Zergs when no other Terrans could (and in fact Zergs would point to Taeja as evidence that MU wasn't imbalanced). Taeja's TvP has never been mind blowing.
On December 02 2012 06:08 Glurkenspurk wrote: It's kinda strange that blizzard has never really addressed mirror matchups all being garbage to watch except for tvt.
I agree, but it's pretty difficult to balance one matchup without affecting the other ones.
I think it has more to do with the fact that Terran is the only well-designed race, so TvT is the only good mirror matchup.
On December 02 2012 06:08 Glurkenspurk wrote: It's kinda strange that blizzard has never really addressed mirror matchups all being garbage to watch except for tvt.
I agree, but it's pretty difficult to balance one matchup without affecting the other ones.
I think it has more to do with the fact that Terran is the only well-designed race, so TvT is the only good mirror matchup.
Even minor cosmetic things could improve them though. Making infested terran eggs based on team color and giving roaches a stronger team color would make it seem like much less of a clusterfuck during late game engagements. It would even help the players.
On December 01 2012 22:03 ROOTMajOr wrote: why you people hating on sniper, hes saying the truth ppl shouldnt whine so much and to the people saying he has not accomplishments and that he is a patchzerg, well let me tell you that isnt true at all hes been really good for long time and people shouldnt give him so much crap
Nobody said game 5 was proof of imbalance... it's the culmination of tournament results for the past few months and the fact that even Blizzard has admitted there are problems with the game balance atm, specifically blord/infestor.
On December 02 2012 03:34 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: I can very much understand Ryung. This guy has practiced probably a 1000 games TvZ for this season, and after all that he came to the conclusion that he could not beat Life at all and had to resort to 2 raxes and blue flame rushes to give himself a chance at winning vs Sniper. He might of course be wrong or simply a lot worse than Sniper, but in light of the most recent data available he at least has found that TvZ is not a matchup he wants to play straight up. There is probably a lot of saved up frustration from losing practice games and earlier games, trying time and time again to find a solid, stable way of playing, and not being able to.
No Terran wants to play TvZ straight up I think. I mean, You can find players who specialize at PvZ, PvP, ZvZ, TvT, TvP, but I don't think there's any Terran who call himself master of TvZ.
Isn't Taeja's best MU TvZ?
He's been more of a TvP specialist traditionally. Currently you'd be hard pressed to find any pro Terrans who say they like TvZ, let alone consider themselves specialists/masters. Compare that with the number of Zergs who say they like ZvT or even outright say it's Zerg favored, and you get a pretty clear picture of what the matchup actually looks like. Still, can't fault Sniper for trying to put down balance talk. If there was a ton of money on the line and I had an inherent advantage, I wouldn't want to lose it either.
Incorrect, Taeja during his prime months was much more known for TvZ than TvP. Pretty much the whole reason for his success was his ability to beat Zergs when no other Terrans could (and in fact Zergs would point to Taeja as evidence that MU wasn't imbalanced). Taeja's TvP has never been mind blowing.
Incorrect, Taeja was known for both his TvZ and TvP. His TvP's never been "mindblowing" but it was for sure the best of any other player at his prime. Remember TAeja vs First finals? Yeah, that was a steamroll
On December 02 2012 00:04 Severian wrote: I guess I'm just a bit confused as to why everyone suddenly decided that the Ryung vs Sniper series was the defining moment of imbalance. Even before the "IMBA IMBA IMBA" the LR thread was full of people whining about what an injustice Sniper's victory was. Ryung is very good but let's not kid ourselves, not many people predicted him to reach the finals, he has only reached the Ro8 once (over a year ago. And once in the super tournament) and he was knocked out of IPL5 by Scarlett and HuK. Plus both him and Sniper just flew to the US and played for two days in IPL5, so neither of them are at their peak. AND HE LOST 2-3! There's plenty of stuff to latch on to if you want to complain about balance, but I don't at all blame Sniper for being upset when both Ryung and the community single him out and claim that he is undeserving.
You REALLY think sniper is a better player than Ryung? Really?
Yes, I do
me too
Dito ! snipers play is great ! Ryung is good but the imba comments were tastless , i can absolutely garauntee that sniper would of said nothing about terrans maybe even said that zerg is favored if ryung didn draw first blood . Too be honest though ryung didnt play his best and lost because of it .
It would be a shame to see in the finals of the best league a player who lost to Scarlett and HuK and was knocked from the IPL so badly. Sniper deserves his spot <3 he was good since the beginning of this year when he easily defeated PuMa in prelims I am very happy to see Life and now HyuN and Sniper in finals much better then shitty TvT finals and terran imba wins last year <3<3<3
HyuN and his advisor Symbol vs Sniper and his advisor DongRaeGu awesome Finals!
"Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining."
I think the Korean Terran players are just sick of innovating again as the OTHER races whine and get buffed. Beyond this just being a balance comment, look back:
Every single Factory and Barracks nerfed (tank damage decreased, thors have energy bars, hellion blue flame was nerfed after one MLG where everyone bitched about it. marine and mara have had stim nerfed, reapers (don't get me started), ghosts have had snipe damage decreased.) Even the banshee has been indirectly nerfed with a buff to spore crawler re-rooting speed.
Every single nerf came, and every single time, the Korean terrans, who EVERYONE called imba, boring, GOMTVT, whatever, beat the shit out of every other for the longest time, all without bitching.
I was pretty neutral towards both Hyun and Sniper before reading this, but now want nothing more than for Sniper to absolutely crush Hyun. Not even entertaining games. Just pure carnage.
Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins
Says the guy with zero results who happens to make it to the GSL finals.
i suggest you take a look at his record over the past few months.
...you mean, the past few months after the queen buff?
the exact same goes for hyun
maybe, but hyun didn't say what the guy quoted. ^^ in fact, he said zerg has the advantage in ZvT
Hyun also didn't face "IMBA IMBA IMBA" in the chat when he won. This looks more like a knee-jerk reaction from Sniper to Ryung than anything else.
Hello sniper fanboy, he did not say Ryung is shameless but calling terran PLAYERS shameless. So according to him, 1/3 of teamliquid users and myself are shameless people.
Before calling someone a fanboy at least try to understand how Sniper felt. He just got to the finals of the most prestigious and instead of gg'ing normally Ryung discredits his win. Combine this with all the zerg imba whine everywhere i am sure that was just the last drop and he sorta exploded, hence the knee-jerk reaction.
Yeah, I have to agree.
Hopefully people will forget about this after a while.
At this point, I want a random pro gamer. MVP has shown that he is actually good with all 3 races (he plays random on ladder last I heard).
Go MVP, come back as random and show us your balancing ways.
Of course inb4 RANDOM IS OP BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE RACE THE PLAYER STARTS AS (easy fix for Blizzard, just make the race revealed in the loading screen).
On December 02 2012 09:15 reikai wrote: "Ryung stated "IMBA" in the chat right at the last minute.
Terran players are shameless. I know that a lot of people are calling Zerg imba these days but I honestly just think it's an excuse for people with no skills. Regardless of the map or race, the superior player always wins so I just don't understand why they behave that way. I don't even understand why sometimes the winning players start whining."
I think the Korean Terran players are just sick of innovating again as the OTHER races whine and get buffed. Beyond this just being a balance comment, look back:
Every single Factory and Barracks nerfed (tank damage decreased, thors have energy bars, hellion blue flame was nerfed after one MLG where everyone bitched about it. marine and mara have had stim nerfed, reapers (don't get me started), ghosts have had snipe damage decreased.) Even the banshee has been indirectly nerfed with a buff to spore crawler re-rooting speed.
Every single nerf came, and every single time, the Korean terrans, who EVERYONE called imba, boring, GOMTVT, whatever, beat the shit out of every other for the longest time, all without bitching.
I really think they're just tired of it.
Indeed. During the golden age of Mvp, MKP and SlayerS Terrans all Terran matchups were being developed so quickly (with the exception of the 1-1-1 TvP era).
But why bother innovating if Blizzard will just buff you / nerf other races if you all just collectively slack? as history has shown.
So much Z whining. Now, I want Sniper to win and throw his trophy at Ryung. Lol.
I'm still a Ryung fan though. But, he's a professional and during televised games, that behavior is unacceptable. Hope he clears his head and plays well again next GSL.
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On TL that'd probably even get you a warning or something.
Scarlett and 
HuK and was knocked from the IPL so badly.
PuMa in prelims
