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bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 28 2012 03:42 GMT
#321
It's looking like it will be EG which makes me really sad. TL was really the only team that could compete against the Kespa teams. If they were to really commit to it I think they could do really well. Especially when they already have Taeja and Hero. EG is no where near that quality of players right now.
QO Feasting
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
November 28 2012 03:47 GMT
#322
On November 28 2012 12:13 MetalPanda wrote:
I think FXO will be the team, although they can't really be considered foreign team anymore


FXOBoss has stated multiple times that it's not them.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
14fighter
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States226 Posts
November 28 2012 03:57 GMT
#323
On November 28 2012 12:42 bourne117 wrote:
It's looking like it will be EG which makes me really sad. TL was really the only team that could compete against the Kespa teams. If they were to really commit to it I think they could do really well. Especially when they already have Taeja and Hero. EG is no where near that quality of players right now.

EG may be able to compete, Idra did 2-0 Roro and go 2-1 against Flash in Proleague.
I think they'll be able to compete but not win.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7816 Posts
November 28 2012 04:02 GMT
#324
People saying a year long league is boring have never followed PL before. PL is the best!

I'm not sure if people know that the maps are switched out every round or so, which definitely keeps the league feeling fresh. Along with format changes .
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
November 28 2012 04:15 GMT
#325
On November 28 2012 12:57 14fighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 12:42 bourne117 wrote:
It's looking like it will be EG which makes me really sad. TL was really the only team that could compete against the Kespa teams. If they were to really commit to it I think they could do really well. Especially when they already have Taeja and Hero. EG is no where near that quality of players right now.

EG may be able to compete, Idra did 2-0 Roro and go 2-1 against Flash in Proleague.
I think they'll be able to compete but not win.

Take EG and compare them to TL. Which team is more likely to do well in the long term.
In the past year TL has had 5 total ro8 placings in the GSL and 1 ro4. EG has never made it this far.
TL has had 3 different players in code s this year. EG has had 1 (2 if you include idra who was there just from a seed and won 0 matches)
TL has had a 2 players in code s the last 4 seasons and still had one in it season 1 this year.
TL has Taeja.
Case closed whatever EG could do TL would easily be able to do and more. The important thing to remember is the Kespa teams will be improving fast. Beating them now is one thing but for whatever foreigner team it is to truly compete they need to be able to beat them down the road. TL has the best potential of any foreign team to do this. EG clearly does not.
On a side not having Sea on the team could help them develop a better practice schedule similar to the Kespa teams. Just a thought.
QO Feasting
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 28 2012 04:25 GMT
#326
On November 28 2012 13:15 bourne117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 12:57 14fighter wrote:
On November 28 2012 12:42 bourne117 wrote:
It's looking like it will be EG which makes me really sad. TL was really the only team that could compete against the Kespa teams. If they were to really commit to it I think they could do really well. Especially when they already have Taeja and Hero. EG is no where near that quality of players right now.

EG may be able to compete, Idra did 2-0 Roro and go 2-1 against Flash in Proleague.
I think they'll be able to compete but not win.

Take EG and compare them to TL. Which team is more likely to do well in the long term.
In the past year TL has had 5 total ro8 placings in the GSL and 1 ro4. EG has never made it this far.
TL has had 3 different players in code s this year. EG has had 1 (2 if you include idra who was there just from a seed and won 0 matches)
TL has had a 2 players in code s the last 4 seasons and still had one in it season 1 this year.
TL has Taeja.
Case closed whatever EG could do TL would easily be able to do and more. The important thing to remember is the Kespa teams will be improving fast. Beating them now is one thing but for whatever foreigner team it is to truly compete they need to be able to beat them down the road. TL has the best potential of any foreign team to do this. EG clearly does not.
On a side not having Sea on the team could help them develop a better practice schedule similar to the Kespa teams. Just a thought.


lol you're going to say that EG has no chance, and back it up by stating why TL would do in proleague?

cmon now. you're just being obnoxious.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
nicknack
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia189 Posts
November 28 2012 04:30 GMT
#327
On November 28 2012 13:15 bourne117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 12:57 14fighter wrote:
On November 28 2012 12:42 bourne117 wrote:
It's looking like it will be EG which makes me really sad. TL was really the only team that could compete against the Kespa teams. If they were to really commit to it I think they could do really well. Especially when they already have Taeja and Hero. EG is no where near that quality of players right now.

EG may be able to compete, Idra did 2-0 Roro and go 2-1 against Flash in Proleague.
I think they'll be able to compete but not win.

Take EG and compare them to TL. Which team is more likely to do well in the long term.
In the past year TL has had 5 total ro8 placings in the GSL and 1 ro4. EG has never made it this far.
TL has had 3 different players in code s this year. EG has had 1 (2 if you include idra who was there just from a seed and won 0 matches)
TL has had a 2 players in code s the last 4 seasons and still had one in it season 1 this year.
TL has Taeja.
Case closed whatever EG could do TL would easily be able to do and more. The important thing to remember is the Kespa teams will be improving fast. Beating them now is one thing but for whatever foreigner team it is to truly compete they need to be able to beat them down the road. TL has the best potential of any foreign team to do this. EG clearly does not.
On a side not having Sea on the team could help them develop a better practice schedule similar to the Kespa teams. Just a thought.


I love TL and am a Big fan and I dont want this to be EG vs TL but player for player EG is better, Hero and taeja are liquids best players.
Nony, ret and sheth are haven't done anything in a long time.

But in saying this Team League is completely different than 1v1GSl ect, take FXO as an example gumiho all kills IM and hoseo and isn't in Code S (as far as I know havent followed gsl in a bit)
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 04:36:45
November 28 2012 04:36 GMT
#328
Gumiho is tried tested and proven.

Players like Sea used to do great in PL but would always be burdened when it came to the individual tournaments.

With that said, I don't see a foreign lineup that would be able to hold their own in PL.

There are teams that are close, but they really need to pick up a few more players to beef up their lineups.

I want to see a team that actually can compete.

I don't want to see Hexatron/AMD Dream Team again or Ace.

I want to see a team that can actually qualify for the playoffs and go far.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 28 2012 04:39 GMT
#329
On November 28 2012 13:36 StarStruck wrote:
Gumiho is tried tested and proven.

Players like Sea used to do great in PL but would always be burdened when it came to the individual tournaments.

With that said, I don't see a foreign lineup that would be able to hold their own in PL.

There are teams that are close, but they really need to pick up a few more players to beef up their lineups.

I want to see a team that actually can compete.

I don't want to see Hexatron/AMD Dream Team again or Ace.

I want to see a team that can actually qualify for the playoffs and go far.


you want a GSTL team ~_~
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
November 28 2012 04:44 GMT
#330
I feel that the GOM teams would probably smash the KeSPA teams at this point. A lot of individual KeSPA players are making great strides, but overall their teams don't seem to have come quite as far.

Hope the level of StarCraft this season is much higher than it was last season (as I expect it will be). Wonder which foreign team will be participating, my heart is pulling for our boys in blue but I doubt it.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
nicknack
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia189 Posts
November 28 2012 04:44 GMT
#331
Thorzain did great with F-united in gstl ages ago, won 3 matches from memory. If EG pick up a naniwa or Kas or another strong foreigner I think they can do well.

If any team can hold there own I think it will be EG.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 28 2012 04:47 GMT
#332
On November 28 2012 12:57 14fighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 12:42 bourne117 wrote:
It's looking like it will be EG which makes me really sad. TL was really the only team that could compete against the Kespa teams. If they were to really commit to it I think they could do really well. Especially when they already have Taeja and Hero. EG is no where near that quality of players right now.

EG may be able to compete, Idra did 2-0 Roro and go 2-1 against Flash in Proleague.
I think they'll be able to compete but not win.


Idra didn't go 2-1 against Flash. He went 1-1. And it was cross-server play.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 28 2012 04:49 GMT
#333
On November 28 2012 13:15 bourne117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 12:57 14fighter wrote:
On November 28 2012 12:42 bourne117 wrote:
It's looking like it will be EG which makes me really sad. TL was really the only team that could compete against the Kespa teams. If they were to really commit to it I think they could do really well. Especially when they already have Taeja and Hero. EG is no where near that quality of players right now.

EG may be able to compete, Idra did 2-0 Roro and go 2-1 against Flash in Proleague.
I think they'll be able to compete but not win.

Take EG and compare them to TL. Which team is more likely to do well in the long term.
In the past year TL has had 5 total ro8 placings in the GSL and 1 ro4. EG has never made it this far.
TL has had 3 different players in code s this year. EG has had 1 (2 if you include idra who was there just from a seed and won 0 matches)
TL has had a 2 players in code s the last 4 seasons and still had one in it season 1 this year.
TL has Taeja.
Case closed whatever EG could do TL would easily be able to do and more. The important thing to remember is the Kespa teams will be improving fast. Beating them now is one thing but for whatever foreigner team it is to truly compete they need to be able to beat them down the road. TL has the best potential of any foreign team to do this. EG clearly does not.
On a side not having Sea on the team could help them develop a better practice schedule similar to the Kespa teams. Just a thought.


So basically, your point is that Liquid has Hero and Taeja and EG doesn't. Wow.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
November 28 2012 04:49 GMT
#334
On November 28 2012 12:57 14fighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 12:42 bourne117 wrote:
It's looking like it will be EG which makes me really sad. TL was really the only team that could compete against the Kespa teams. If they were to really commit to it I think they could do really well. Especially when they already have Taeja and Hero. EG is no where near that quality of players right now.

EG may be able to compete, Idra did 2-0 Roro and go 2-1 against Flash in Proleague.
I think they'll be able to compete but not win.


2-1 against Flash in what league? If you're thinking MLG's MvP tournament, that was 1-1, not 2-1.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 28 2012 04:51 GMT
#335
On November 28 2012 13:39 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 13:36 StarStruck wrote:
Gumiho is tried tested and proven.

Players like Sea used to do great in PL but would always be burdened when it came to the individual tournaments.

With that said, I don't see a foreign lineup that would be able to hold their own in PL.

There are teams that are close, but they really need to pick up a few more players to beef up their lineups.

I want to see a team that actually can compete.

I don't want to see Hexatron/AMD Dream Team again or Ace.

I want to see a team that can actually qualify for the playoffs and go far.


you want a GSTL team ~_~


I'd like to see FXO eventually, but that will have to wait.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 28 2012 04:51 GMT
#336
On November 28 2012 13:49 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 13:15 bourne117 wrote:
On November 28 2012 12:57 14fighter wrote:
On November 28 2012 12:42 bourne117 wrote:
It's looking like it will be EG which makes me really sad. TL was really the only team that could compete against the Kespa teams. If they were to really commit to it I think they could do really well. Especially when they already have Taeja and Hero. EG is no where near that quality of players right now.

EG may be able to compete, Idra did 2-0 Roro and go 2-1 against Flash in Proleague.
I think they'll be able to compete but not win.

Take EG and compare them to TL. Which team is more likely to do well in the long term.
In the past year TL has had 5 total ro8 placings in the GSL and 1 ro4. EG has never made it this far.
TL has had 3 different players in code s this year. EG has had 1 (2 if you include idra who was there just from a seed and won 0 matches)
TL has had a 2 players in code s the last 4 seasons and still had one in it season 1 this year.
TL has Taeja.
Case closed whatever EG could do TL would easily be able to do and more. The important thing to remember is the Kespa teams will be improving fast. Beating them now is one thing but for whatever foreigner team it is to truly compete they need to be able to beat them down the road. TL has the best potential of any foreign team to do this. EG clearly does not.
On a side not having Sea on the team could help them develop a better practice schedule similar to the Kespa teams. Just a thought.


So basically, your point is that Liquid has Hero and Taeja and EG doesn't. Wow.


I also wonder if he realizes in proleague you can't rely on just 2 players in a bo7 format. You need 3 players minimum to win their games and then you could use hero/taeja a second time in the ace. I feel EG is better in that type of format, but TL is really good to so I dunno but yeah his post was really silly.
When I think of something else, something will go here
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 04:59:47
November 28 2012 04:55 GMT
#337
I think my point isn't getting across. I am saying that long term the kespa players will turn into extremely good players. They may not be there now but in a league that will last a year for whatever foreign team there is to actually compete against they need talent that can hold up throughout that year while the kespa players are improving quickly. I personally don't think EG has any players that can do this. They surely have players that can now but none that can really do it long term in my opinion. I think Hero and Taeja can do this. For either team to really compete though some new players would also be needed. Again just my opinion.
Edit: Also how would EG be better in a team league format? Who on their team could get you consistent wins in lets say 3 months.
QO Feasting
Archaedious
Profile Joined November 2012
3 Posts
November 28 2012 05:15 GMT
#338
Did we all forget about Acer? MMA, Nerchio, Scarlet. However, if EG's mainstays pick it up a notch they'd do well with Thorzain and Stephano - Huk/Idra need to find their groove again.
Rui.S
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada92 Posts
November 28 2012 05:19 GMT
#339
Taeja hero and zenio is better than any eg lineup i think
Nerfed
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation1132 Posts
November 28 2012 05:22 GMT
#340
Good news. Ah, wish they played the other game.
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