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On October 24 2012 03:35 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 03:27 DeepElemBlues wrote:
If he didn't follow his contract then he deserves to get suspended, and the public has an expectation of a right to know when suspensions happen.
People just hate on EC because it's fashionable now. Last year sure they did 3-4 things deserving of the very negative reactions they got, but now it's just "Oh, this thread is about Eclypsia? Well I'm gonna go talk shit on 'em because that's what everyone does." Lol in what retarded world do we have a right to know when disciplinary action is taken? Do you expect your bosses to announce it in the workplace when this sort of thing happens too? "Crew, sally was late today so were gonna have to dock her pay this week. You are entitled to know this because her being late does not benefit or affect you at all." Yeah, what you said carries no weight.
Yeah, what you said was mocking, condescending, and the best part is that it's stupid as hell. Sally the burger flipper is not an entertainer. No one outside of McDonald's #3344 cares if Sally is working or not. Someone else can flip the burgers if she's not there, it isn't a spectator sport.
Sjow is an entertainer. People watch him play Starcraft 2 for their enjoyment. If he just drops off the scene, people want to know why.
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So frustrating. I would give anything to be in sjow position, I wouldn't squander it or take it for granted.
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Somtimes I love this community.
If a football player dosen't appear to the training and gets suspended, the fans have a right to hear about this! And its the same with this. Sjow dosen't fullfill his contract (as far as Eclipsia puts it) and get punished because of that. And you as the fans get informed about that. Where is the problem?
EG does it: Everyone thinks its ok
Eclipsia does it: "Those motherf****"
Funny :D
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On October 24 2012 03:50 Vinc wrote:
Somtimes I love this community.
If a football player dosen't appear to the training and gets suspended, the fans have a right to hear about this! And its the same with this. Sjow dosen't fullfill his contract (as far as Eclipsia puts it) and get punished because of that. And you as the fans get informed about that. Where is the problem?
EG does it: Everyone thinks its ok
Eclipsia does it: "Those motherf****"
Funny :D
Sadly the mass crowd can't be trusted to put their blind hate-love aside. Most people already have EC on their black book and won't remove it unless .... hell i dont even know.
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On October 24 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 03:13 mememolly wrote:On October 24 2012 01:47 Fyodor wrote:On October 24 2012 01:44 soiii wrote:
"Our player does no perform, so lets just suspend him and bash him in an official statement" - Eclypsia surely stays the biggest joke team out there. If he's lazy and bad then he should be thankful that it is only a suspension. More teams should do this IMO. So many contracted players just sit on their ass waiting for divine intervention to give them "teh skills". agreed, shame everyone is simply going to shit on EC Well there's two problems with it. 1) They shouldn't be making a press statement about it, it just comes off as immature and a cheap attempt at some publicity. Not only that, it makes their player feel like shit. This is something that has to be resolved internally, and if it comes to a suspension then do it and keep it quiet. 2) One month without pay seems extreme for these pro gamers who don't make much money as it is. If these extreme punishment start becoming commonplace than esports quickly goes from getting paid doing what you love to all business. I don't want to hear about money, salaries, PPV's, etc... this is competitive gaming trying to grow it's too soon to get corporate!
I'm fore sure not a fan of EC after all the stunts they pulled in the past but this move I understand. Imagine the shitstorm if they didn't announce this and somehow there would be a post "EC don't pays Sjow" They could say what ever they want, nobody would believe them.
And if it's true that he didn't play/train I think it's ok to cut payments for a month, it seems Sjow didn't meet his requirements for a much longer time. Of course this is only ok if the reasons in the statement are realy true.
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On October 24 2012 03:47 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 03:35 ReachTheSky wrote:On October 24 2012 03:27 DeepElemBlues wrote:
If he didn't follow his contract then he deserves to get suspended, and the public has an expectation of a right to know when suspensions happen.
People just hate on EC because it's fashionable now. Last year sure they did 3-4 things deserving of the very negative reactions they got, but now it's just "Oh, this thread is about Eclypsia? Well I'm gonna go talk shit on 'em because that's what everyone does." Lol in what retarded world do we have a right to know when disciplinary action is taken? Do you expect your bosses to announce it in the workplace when this sort of thing happens too? "Crew, sally was late today so were gonna have to dock her pay this week. You are entitled to know this because her being late does not benefit or affect you at all." Yeah, what you said carries no weight. Yeah, what you said was mocking, condescending, and the best part is that it's stupid as hell. Sally the burger flipper is not an entertainer. No one outside of McDonald's #3344 cares if Sally is working or not. Someone else can flip the burgers if she's not there, it isn't a spectator sport. Sjow is an entertainer. People watch him play Starcraft 2 for their enjoyment. If he just drops off the scene, people want to know why. This announcement is not about him dropping off the sc2 though. Not sure why you would even bring that up when it isn't even relevant to this thread? Also, Just because people have a want or a desire to know something, does not mean they have a right or are entitled. And how do you know that sally the burger flipper can't do amazing flip flopin' tricks that people won't be entertained by? Lol.
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olol suspending a player for not playing in tournaments. No wonder EG looks so active and professional :D
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Strange how there were no problems when sjow was on dignitas but then as soon as he join Eclypsia a load of problems arise...hmmm i hope he finds a different team.
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This kind of annoys me and reeks like a ploy to get rid of negative publicity in advance, once Sjow says something about not getting any pay this month.
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Given Eclypsia's history, they probably did something stupid and are launching this as a preemptive strike against SjoW to defend themselves against coming accusations. Why else would you go public about a small scale thing like this? If they are prepared to welcome SjoW back like they say, why then post this and make one of their own players look bad?
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Also, in principle, suspending someone for not streaming according to agreement might be reasonable, but why would you also be complaining about his results (in quite a demeaning tone) in the same breath?
On October 24 2012 01:26 SarenS wrote: Some may for example remember his elimination from the Battle at Ministry of Win in August right from the first group stage on a 0-2/1-4 score.
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On October 24 2012 04:00 DownOnMyNiece wrote:
This kind of annoys me and reeks like a ploy to get rid of negative publicity in advance, once Sjow says something about not getting any pay this month.
You know.... maybe.... just maybe...... they are putting out this statement to clarify the situation and why Sjow is not getting his pay this month. If Sjow has an issue, he can make a post refuting them with his claims, until then Sjow probably accepts his mistake.
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On October 24 2012 04:05 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 04:00 DownOnMyNiece wrote:
This kind of annoys me and reeks like a ploy to get rid of negative publicity in advance, once Sjow says something about not getting any pay this month. You know.... maybe.... just maybe...... they are putting out this statement to clarify the situation and why Sjow is not getting his pay this month. If Sjow has an issue, he can make a post refuting them with his claims, until then Sjow probably accepts his mistake.
That sounds reasonable, if we weren't talking about EC.
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People in this thread are bashing Eclypsia because it's a team with a bad rep. If it was any other team, the decision would be logical. Why pay a player if he's not doing his job?
Well, maybe there's something else brewing in the background that I don't know of. Wouldn't suprise me anymore, since this scene cooks up drama every week.
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This is completely stupid.... there's no reason that a team needs to announce disciplinary actions to a player in a public space. That should take place internally. Creating a forum topic is 100% unprofessional.
The only way it would be proper to do it is in Stephano's case in which he acted unprofessional in a public space and made comments that could reflect poorly on the team. In this case it's the team's responsibility to take action and ensure it tells the community that it doesn't condone that behavior.
SjoW not practicing has nothing to do with anybody but SjoW or Eclypsia.
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You guys sure are efficient in finding new ways of not paying your players. Go join Apex at the kiddie table of esport teams and just stop picking up players already.
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It's hard to take this seriously when it is written so poorly. Perhaps use someone with a better understanding of English next time.
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lol... Eclypsia Eclypsia Eclypsia...
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On October 24 2012 03:24 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 03:19 Hemula wrote:On October 24 2012 03:18 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand why Eclypsia made a topic for this. PR But just handle it internally? This hardly concerns anyone but the parties involved. It just makes sjow look bad and eclypsia like a shitty employer for bringing it out in public
It hardly concerns anyone but the parties involved in professional sports too but they always release statements stating such and such has been fined and suspended for violating team rules or something along those lines. Are they shitty employers too? It's not totally outrageous that they did this. Seems like most of the people here just try to find any reason at all to bash Eclypsia.
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This "press release" is uncomfortable on way too many levels. We don't really need to know, and you don't need us to know. And if this has a follow up, wait untill the follow up happens so you and your player can publicly announce any discord that happened together. And then you're also in a great position to announce the final resolution to the occurred problem.
On October 24 2012 02:57 SjoW wrote:
Statement will come soon about my future with EC in a couple of days, stayed tuned ^^
So what's up man? This thread probably made people worry about you even more than about Eclypsia's PR department.
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