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Crank and MMA's accounts regarding SlayerS - Page 100
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hkf
Australia354 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:01 Xiaopewpew wrote: Ok , so Razor logic is that if we cant sponsor MMA, all the money to Boxer !!! hmmmmm interesting. Explain your thought process please? No, this was a personal sponsorship. A seperate deal Probably at some forgeign event, like MLG, Razer had 5000 to sponsor a certain player for a period of time (likely the duration of the tournement) They decided MMA was the man to sponsor, and they went to Slayers about that. Slayers responded with, no, we'll take it only if you also offer the deal to Boxer. Razer said they couldn't do that They walked away from that. My point on why this is such bad management, is not that they "negotiated" ... its that they didn't go back to razer and save the deal for MMA. If you have a customer that wants to buy... and your cost of good sold are $0. You should get some money out of it. IMO. Irregardless of the details. She rejected a cash off for a $0 cost good. (based on the tweets) Maybe there are times that is smart...... but maybe she wasn't motivated to close the deal. I would suspect they thought MMA getting the sponsorship without Boxer getting it would make Boxer look bad in some eyes. | ||
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Xiaopewpew
China57 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:10 dsousa wrote: No, this was a personal sponsorship. A seperate deal Probably at some forgeign event, like MLG, Razer had 5000 to sponsor a certain player for a period of time (likely the duration of the tournement) They decided MMA was the man to sponsor, and they went to Slayers about that. Slayers responded with, no, we'll take it only if you also offer the deal to Boxer. Razer said they couldn't do that They walked away from that. My point on why this is such bad management, is not that they "negotiated" ... its that they didn't go back to razer and save the deal for MMA. If you have a customer that wants to buy... and your cost of good sold are $0. You should get some money out of it. IMO. Irregardless of the details. She rejected a cash off for a $0 cost good. (based on the tweets) Maybe there are times that is smart...... but maybe she wasn't motivated to close the deal. Looks bad.... I agree that the scenario you described would mean Jessica did something very wrong. I joined the discussion only tonight. Would you mind showing me the full account of the sponsorship ? I do not seem to be able to find it online. Which page of posts is it roughly in please? | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On October 24 2012 13:58 dsousa wrote: The point is the sponsorship would COST Slayers nothing.... except the stitching costs on his jersey. Why reject it? Sewing on a logo is cheap. Exactly ... and she could have added a clause to the contract that basically says "If a competitor of company R wants to sponsor the team and MMA is still part of Slayers, then the contract has to end." So all the nonsense about rejecting it because she hopes for a competitor to sponsor the team is stupid. If company R didnt agree to such a clause she might have been right to reject it, but since she didnt mention it it didnt happen and she refused it out of spite to hurt MMA. Either way she loses! On October 24 2012 14:01 Xiaopewpew wrote: Ok , so Razor logic is that if we cant sponsor MMA, all the money to Boxer !!! hmmmmm interesting. Explain your thought process please? Umm ... you misunderstood him IMO. He wasnt saying that "all the money to Boxer" but rather "the same amount of money to Boxer too". That is quite different and entirely logical. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요 These are Jessicas last tweets (and i guess, they kinda answer to that Issue). I want to at least hear that, before i am deeply disappointed. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
Wait. Shit. That's black and white too, just with Manager J firmly in the black ... To clarify: The proposal was rejected. but i dont know how it's been translated by "Manager J". Both were copied. He clarifies and says Jessica also rejected it directly (assuming from her own email). That does not mean Manager J was not involved. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:08 bduddy wrote: So basically it was supposedly rejected by Jessica, but actually manager J was acting as an intermediary. So if he was really as shady as Jessica claims, then...? Was it really manager J acting as translator? This makes a big deal, and what I was talking about that the explanation was too vague. Makes it even more vague if the conversations were email conversations because it becomes impossible to verify who was 'talking'. Even if it was really Jessica, she can just find an excuse out of this. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8255 Posts
Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다. Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica) | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:21 m4inbrain wrote: Hm.. That's surprising. Could anyone translate these for me (roughly), pretty please? These are Jessicas last tweets (and i guess, they kinda answer to that Issue). I want to at least hear that, before i am deeply disappointed. Would be nice to have seeker here, that guy is so important.. He is the like the subs of korean variety shows, and that is saying how important he is. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Xiaopewpew
China57 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:19 Rabiator wrote: Exactly ... and she could have added a clause to the contract that basically says "If a competitor of company R wants to sponsor the team and MMA is still part of Slayers, then the contract has to end." So all the nonsense about rejecting it because she hopes for a competitor to sponsor the team is stupid. If company R didnt agree to such a clause she might have been right to reject it, but since she didnt mention it it didnt happen and she refused it out of spite to hurt MMA. Either way she loses! Umm ... you misunderstood him IMO. He wasnt saying that "all the money to Boxer" but rather "the same amount of money to Boxer too". That is quite different and entirely logical. Thanks for clearing things up. I question though if any sponsor would agree to a clause like " if competitor steps in , i will pull out" :D | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:24 geokilla wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=377665¤tpage=3#48 Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다. Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica) Dafuq? Seriously? Just a second, did i get it right? Manager J deliberately tried to fuck up? | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:24 geokilla wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=377665¤tpage=3#48 Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다. Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica) Was just about to post this. See bros, don't jump to conclusions. Still a pretty fucked up story though | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:25 lichter wrote: Was just about to post this. See bros, don't jump to conclusions. Still a pretty fucked up story though Some people here look pretty stupid right now. And it's for once not Jessica, but Manager J. I even pointed at him a couple of hours ago (not literally)  Edit: still, i would love to see what Jessica wrote, and both responses from Razer Korea, just to see the correlation. Waxangel, to the rescue? | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:25 Xiaopewpew wrote: Thanks for clearing things up. I question though if any sponsor would agree to a clause like " if competitor steps in , i will pull out" :D Well eSports is a relatively small corner of the world with only a few competitors for each category of hardware. So it would be reasonable IMO to accept such a clause simply because "being the bully" is actually bad publicity. | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:24 geokilla wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=377665¤tpage=3#48 Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다. Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica) Whole thing makes no sense. Why would Chris Mitchell say it was rejected directly by Jessica if she never knew about it. | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
On October 24 2012 13:43 achan1058 wrote: Read the tweet. It was asked who rejected it, Jessica or J? The response was Jessica. Could it be... that J stands for "Jessica"? DUN DUN DUNNNN. Edit: The joke lost its luster as the Razer Korea rep posted his insights. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On October 24 2012 14:29 Popkiller wrote: Whole thing makes no sense. Why would Chris Mitchell say it was rejected directly by Jessica if she never knew about it. He also said that he did not speak to her but to a translator. | ||
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JAWS_
Brazil61 Posts
Also Jessica can understand English even though she can't speak much, don't you guys try to think she was indeed clueless | ||
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