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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
September 25 2012 06:35 GMT
#1161
Neither should be allowed back. This scene is young and growing. There are lots of unknown players out there who are equally or more deserving of attention than these two. Permaban and move on, nothing will be lost, except for additional drama and bullshit.
xejdra
Profile Joined September 2012
Norway1 Post
September 25 2012 06:36 GMT
#1162
I just made this account, just so I can say how upset I am that Vera would do this to not only the SC2 community but to fellow female players. As a female who is just getting into SC2 I looked up to her and now I feel ashamed for doing so. So Vera when you say you wanted to help e-sports you did the complete opposite and you made it worst for female SC2 players such as myself, so you can reimburse all the money you want, but your actions are still there.. you stole money from people and you knowingly did so and for that you should feel ashamed, in my eyes your honor is now spoiled and all that remains is dishonor
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
September 25 2012 06:40 GMT
#1163
On September 25 2012 15:33 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 15:33 KawaiiRice wrote:
On September 25 2012 15:28 Kennigit wrote:
Thank you Kawaiirice for being a hero to the community. We need as much self policing as we can get.

deathangel and vera
caps my R please @@


Should ask him to thank the other people that helped you before you ask him to get your name perfectly right dont ya think?

true !
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Crisco
Profile Joined March 2011
1170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 06:41:14
September 25 2012 06:40 GMT
#1164
the amount of damage this has done to the legitimacy of female tournaments & now the fear of having males hide behind female game... head hurts

nipping a growing bud at infancy, that's what these two did -.-
Powster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States650 Posts
September 25 2012 06:41 GMT
#1165
On September 25 2012 15:28 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 15:27 Powster wrote:
What deathangel did is understandable to me..

That girl charging for coaching as a non GM pretending to be GM though is really really bad. I feel bad for the students.. even if she refunded learning something from a player who might be completely wrong would suck :/ Hopefully shes at least high master so the students could learn something....


You think pretending to be a GM to coach people is really bad. Yet you think pretending to be a girl in all female tournaments is understandable.

Hahahahahahaha


Didn't know he played in a all girl tourney.. that is pretty bad but still I think coaching when you are bad is worse. Its not like he hacked in the tourney.. beating girls that are not as dedicated is not nearly as bad as pretending to be a GM coach. If those girls dont want to lose to guys pretending to be girls they can just improve so that wont happen.
tyner
Profile Joined August 2012
176 Posts
September 25 2012 06:41 GMT
#1166
On September 25 2012 15:34 ROOTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:30 ROOTFayth wrote:
On September 25 2012 14:29 lisward wrote:
On September 25 2012 14:17 shockaslim wrote:
On September 25 2012 14:11 ROOTFayth wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:42 DecisionTheory wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:40 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
She's a disgusting human being... both inside and out.


Blacklist her.


I dunno bro shes kinda hot. Im dtf

what?

define hot?


I dunno I don't think she is too bad.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'd personally give her a 7 maybe?

Fayth didn't you say that's what bags are for or something along those lines :/

I think it was payam? or maybe I did, don't remember


manner.. it was a john miller


wait, you guys really think this ChinZerg is hot?
Clerseri
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia150 Posts
September 25 2012 06:42 GMT
#1167

On September 25 2012 15:10 yOngKIN wrote:

Poll: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

Yes (335)
 
79%

No (88)
 
21%

423 total votes

Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





Like you guys banned Artosis for life?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=1490

Accept the apology, end the deception, accept the resignation, and if Vera and DeathAngel would like to continue as members of the community, let them work hard to get back the trust and show they deserve it?
Fantasy will be the next big thing in SC2.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
September 25 2012 06:43 GMT
#1168
I just want to say - good job yet again by KR. I've seen him with solid evidence on almost every thread of this kind. Respect!
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
mikell
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia352 Posts
September 25 2012 06:43 GMT
#1169
This is a lot of attention this girl is getting. Bad attention. That's the only attention she needs. Horrible horrible person to let the community believe that she was good.

To think she actually had someone streaming and pretending to be her. That's just fucking pathetic. It's like paying someone to make friends for you.

Deathangel is as good as a prostitute in this whole thing, and should probably get banned himself.
drone hard
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 06:44:33
September 25 2012 06:43 GMT
#1170
On September 25 2012 15:42 Clerseri wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 15:10 yOngKIN wrote:

Poll: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

Yes (335)
 
79%

No (88)
 
21%

423 total votes

Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





Like you guys banned Artosis for life?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=1490

Accept the apology, end the deception, accept the resignation, and if Vera and DeathAngel would like to continue as members of the community, let them work hard to get back the trust and show they deserve it?

No.

Guestimate a ratio of community contribution for Artosis, and then one for Vera.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
September 25 2012 06:43 GMT
#1171
On September 25 2012 15:33 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 15:33 KawaiiRice wrote:
On September 25 2012 15:28 Kennigit wrote:
Thank you Kawaiirice for being a hero to the community. We need as much self policing as we can get.

deathangel and vera
caps my R please @@


Should ask him to thank the other people that helped you before you ask him to get your name perfectly right dont ya think?



Didn't you have enough vitriol for the actual offenders? Allowing it to boil over in this fashion is rather ugly.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
September 25 2012 06:44 GMT
#1172
Why did Deathangel get banned?
Hello
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 06:46:30
September 25 2012 06:45 GMT
#1173
On September 25 2012 15:42 Clerseri wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 15:10 yOngKIN wrote:

Poll: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

Yes (335)
 
79%

No (88)
 
21%

423 total votes

Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





Like you guys banned Artosis for life?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=1490

Accept the apology, end the deception, accept the resignation, and if Vera and DeathAngel would like to continue as members of the community, let them work hard to get back the trust and show they deserve it?


You're missing the point that what they did was an actual real-life crime viable enough for prison sentences. this aint the typical witch hunt where everyone grabs a pitchfork and beats up that that cheating nerd until he gets voluntarily calls it quits.

I think the sooner people get that into their heads the better instead of favouritism playing a part
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 25 2012 06:45 GMT
#1174
On September 25 2012 15:43 Ansinjunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 15:33 PanN wrote:
On September 25 2012 15:33 KawaiiRice wrote:
On September 25 2012 15:28 Kennigit wrote:
Thank you Kawaiirice for being a hero to the community. We need as much self policing as we can get.

deathangel and vera
caps my R please @@


Should ask him to thank the other people that helped you before you ask him to get your name perfectly right dont ya think?



Didn't you have enough vitriol for the actual offenders? Allowing it to boil over in this fashion is rather ugly.


Take a look at my post history. Theres 2359 posts exactly as the one you saw before. It's my personality, I'm sorry.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Sleeep
Profile Joined January 2011
Turkey37 Posts
September 25 2012 06:46 GMT
#1175
shame on you, if I was a organizer on any high level site I would ban vera and deathangel both, damaging/scamming on sc2 community shouldn't be forgiven and that semipro while trying to go for showmatches and high ranks I would block his further chances to do this, sorry.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
September 25 2012 06:50 GMT
#1176
Such a sad situation for deathangel, seemed like he actually had a potential as a player, until he went and did this shit.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
September 25 2012 06:52 GMT
#1177
Honestly, her response is a bit of a joke. The "I am glad I was caught" line is absolute bullshit. If she was really that glad she was caught, why didn't she come forward sooner? Or even just end this whole arrangement quietly. Maybe it could be believable that it got out of control, and she was afraid of the backlash, but that's obviously not the case looking at the interview clip that was posted in this thread. She might not have made a lot of money from this, but it's not all about money.

She was made to be "someone", and she didn't mind it one bit.

It's good that she's paying back the money, at least. I guess that's something.
vijeze
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands719 Posts
September 25 2012 06:54 GMT
#1178
Burn the heathen!

In all honesty, I don't care. I never liked VeraLynn, and never even heard of DeathAngel, how cliché that name may be
YuiHirasawa
Profile Joined August 2012
Japan220 Posts
September 25 2012 06:54 GMT
#1179
Funny how there is ONE girl. And how it's certain to end into a huge mess.
Fun things are fun
Clerseri
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia150 Posts
September 25 2012 06:54 GMT
#1180
On September 25 2012 15:43 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 15:42 Clerseri wrote:

On September 25 2012 15:10 yOngKIN wrote:

Poll: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

Yes (335)
 
79%

No (88)
 
21%

423 total votes

Your vote: Ban VeraLynn in Esports for life?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





Like you guys banned Artosis for life?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=1490

Accept the apology, end the deception, accept the resignation, and if Vera and DeathAngel would like to continue as members of the community, let them work hard to get back the trust and show they deserve it?

No.

Guestimate a ratio of community contribution for Artosis, and then one for Vera.


That's my point. I LIKE the level of community contribution from Artosis. I'm GLAD he wasn't banned for life, or I wouldn't be enjoying his commentary and analysis now.

All accounts say that even Vera's accusers think she worked hard with Z33k to help contribute to the community. If you ban her for life, she has no chance to continue that work (like Artosis did) and we may well be worse off. (like we would have been had Artosis been banned).

I doubt that she would choose to, personally, but I don't see the point in stopping someone who wants to redeem themselves and really offer something from doing so.

Fantasy will be the next big thing in SC2.
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