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On September 06 2012 22:28 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 21:33 Tossi83 wrote:On September 06 2012 20:35 JustPassingBy wrote:On September 06 2012 17:28 larse wrote:
They did improve this week. There are English schedules and English overlay in the video. And the VODs now are sorted according to matches like DRG vs Rain, Flash vs Best. It's shorter than GSL since it's already RO16 and there is no code A. But GSL costs 29.99 for a season while OSL costs 19.99. I would say it's just a little too expensive. Source? I could swear I only paid 14,99$ for my GSL season pass. On September 06 2012 17:39 larse wrote:On September 06 2012 17:35 Dodgin wrote:On September 06 2012 17:28 larse wrote:
They did improve this week. There are English schedules and English overlay in the video. And the VODs now are sorted according to matches like DRG vs Rain, Flash vs Best. It's shorter than GSL since it's already RO16 and there is no code A. But GSL costs 29.99 for a season while OSL costs 19.99. I would say it's just a little too expensive. This is incorrect, GSL is 15.00$ USD for the basic package ( hq stream, vods ) But there are ads and all that. OSL's 19.99 doesn't have. So I said it's 29.99. I didn't mean OSL is better. OSL is indeed expensive. Theoretically, there are ads, but somehow I haven't seen a single ad in the current season yet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyways, here a quick comparison between the GSL and OSL prices: OSL: for 20$, you get potentially: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get potentially: 8*5+4*5+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 97 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games but obviously one of the reasons why you get so few games in the OSL is because they did not charge for the dual-tournament, which can be regarded as the ro32 of the OSL. If you add those to the OSL package, you get almost the same amount of games as the Code S, a few less because OSL is bo3/bo5 instead of bo5/bo7. Either way, I think back to the whole Kespa vs ESF debate in amusement, as not few people claim that Kespa (and OSL) do everything for the fans, one proof of that being that the vods are free to watch.  Can you count the sets too? Oo Min-Max values of course because with bo3 you can have 2 to 3 games with bo5 - 3 to 5 and with bo7 - 4 to 7 Counting sets might be a bit inacccurate, but I could do a min-max thing. On other note, I saw that I miscounted. Sets in the group stages of GSL are bo3, while sets in the group stages of OSL are bo1, so the max number of games are: OSL: for 20$, you get up to: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get up to: 8*5*3+4*5*3+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 217 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games the min number of games are OSL: for 20$, you get at least: 4*6 games + 4*2 games + 3*3 games = 41 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get at least: 8*5*2+4*5*2+4*3+2*3+1*4 = 142 games (code S) 24*2+16*2+12*2 = 104 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games
Conclusively, I guess you can say that you pay between 39-49 cents per game in the OSL, while you pay between 8 to 12 cents per game in the GSL. That is assuming you bought the more expensive 30$ ticket. It's 4 to 6 cents per game in the GSL for the people who bought the 15$ ticket plus ads (which somehow are not shown to me either way).
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So what about the latest vods? like the flash game
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Can't believe they don't have an SQ free option.
Idiots...
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On September 06 2012 22:36 TAMinator wrote:
Both dont require maths if you truly love esports.
Yeah because everyone who doesn't want to pay for every league or can't afford to hates esports, right?
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On September 06 2012 23:00 Chronald wrote:
Can't believe they don't have an SQ free option.
Idiots...
It's identical to GSL, except the free live stream is higher quality. The production quality is less, but that will likely improve in the future. The games are great and the Dual Tournament (essentially Ro32) was free. The only downside is that there are less games overall than GSL.
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where do they play the restreams?
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On September 06 2012 23:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 23:00 Chronald wrote:
Can't believe they don't have an SQ free option.
Idiots... It's identical to GSL, except the free live stream is higher quality. The production quality is less, but that will likely improve in the future. The games are great and the Dual Tournament (essentially Ro32) was free. The only downside is that there are less games overall than GSL.
Yeah, but the reason why one can watch it for free is because independent casters like you took the effort to cast it in english and upload the vods.
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Not much point having this thread considering you need to be a subscriber to watch any of OSL's vods.
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My only problem with OSL is that they decide to do this DURING the season. It's like they tease you with free VODs for the first couple of days and BAM, pay if you want to continue watching. This is a very dick move imo and not a good way to attract new viewers.
I wouldn't have a problem if they implement this starting next season.
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On September 06 2012 22:38 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 22:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On September 06 2012 21:33 Tossi83 wrote:On September 06 2012 20:35 JustPassingBy wrote:On September 06 2012 17:28 larse wrote:
They did improve this week. There are English schedules and English overlay in the video. And the VODs now are sorted according to matches like DRG vs Rain, Flash vs Best. It's shorter than GSL since it's already RO16 and there is no code A. But GSL costs 29.99 for a season while OSL costs 19.99. I would say it's just a little too expensive. Source? I could swear I only paid 14,99$ for my GSL season pass. On September 06 2012 17:39 larse wrote:On September 06 2012 17:35 Dodgin wrote:On September 06 2012 17:28 larse wrote:
They did improve this week. There are English schedules and English overlay in the video. And the VODs now are sorted according to matches like DRG vs Rain, Flash vs Best. It's shorter than GSL since it's already RO16 and there is no code A. But GSL costs 29.99 for a season while OSL costs 19.99. I would say it's just a little too expensive. This is incorrect, GSL is 15.00$ USD for the basic package ( hq stream, vods ) But there are ads and all that. OSL's 19.99 doesn't have. So I said it's 29.99. I didn't mean OSL is better. OSL is indeed expensive. Theoretically, there are ads, but somehow I haven't seen a single ad in the current season yet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyways, here a quick comparison between the GSL and OSL prices: OSL: for 20$, you get potentially: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get potentially: 8*5+4*5+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 97 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games but obviously one of the reasons why you get so few games in the OSL is because they did not charge for the dual-tournament, which can be regarded as the ro32 of the OSL. If you add those to the OSL package, you get almost the same amount of games as the Code S, a few less because OSL is bo3/bo5 instead of bo5/bo7. Either way, I think back to the whole Kespa vs ESF debate in amusement, as not few people claim that Kespa (and OSL) do everything for the fans, one proof of that being that the vods are free to watch. Can you count the sets too? Oo Min-Max values of course because with bo3 you can have 2 to 3 games with bo5 - 3 to 5 and with bo7 - 4 to 7 Counting sets might be a bit inacccurate, but I could do a min-max thing. On other note, I saw that I miscounted. Sets in the group stages of GSL are bo3, while sets in the group stages of OSL are bo1, so the max number of games are: OSL: for 20$, you get up to: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get up to: 8*5*3+4*5*3+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 217 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games the min number of games are OSL: for 20$, you get at least: 4*6 games + 4*2 games + 3*3 games = 41 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get at least: 8*5*2+4*5*2+4*3+2*3+1*4 = 142 games (code S) 24*2+16*2+12*2 = 104 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games Conclusively, I guess you can say that you pay between 39-49 cents per game in the OSL, while you pay between 8 to 12 cents per game in the GSL. That is assuming you bought the more expensive 30$ ticket. It's 4 to 6 cents per game in the GSL for the people who bought the 15$ ticket plus ads (which somehow are not shown to me either way).
You really can't calculate like that. What if Kespa decided to make best of 5s instead? Would then suddenly they have the better system? So GOM goes for best of 7s then?
On an OSL day I get 5 games and that is absolutely enough for me. GSL days are way, way too long and you can't watch everything anyway (if you have a life / unless you have holidays).
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On September 06 2012 23:45 oOOoOphidian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 23:00 Chronald wrote:
Can't believe they don't have an SQ free option.
Idiots... It's identical to GSL, except the free live stream is higher quality. The production quality is less, but that will likely improve in the future. The games are great and the Dual Tournament (essentially Ro32) was free. The only downside is that there are less games overall than GSL.
Then I will likely pay in the future.
Right now it's crap compared to GSL, with a really bad Bo1 format, with way, way less games overall and Moletrap casting. I don't know what they are thinking trying to charge more than GSL.
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GSL production is way better, better casting, better games and better format, I won't be paying for this until it gets better.
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meh, format is much more exciting in OSL than in GSL for me. Not saying better, but more exciting. And the truth is, GSL days are too long, I can never watch all of it even though I pay for premium ticket - I just have no time to watch 3plus hours of SC2 every day.
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While I understand the comments about GSL days being really long (which they are now) its not soley about the optimal amount of time. Theres also the fact that bo3 is simply a better way of determining who is the better player, and thus advancing only the most deserving players into the next round. Sure the cheese series can occur, but it gives the better player a much better chance of advancing compared to bo1 and that makes the rest of the tournament worth a lot more (monitarily and otherwise).
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On September 06 2012 20:33 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Glad they put up all the vods finally for the recent games.
I have vods of the OSL Dual Tournament (pre-Ro16 games) on my channel as well.
Do you have any vods of day 4 to be uploaded? plz.
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On September 07 2012 04:47 Ammanas wrote:
meh, format is much more exciting in OSL than in GSL for me. Not saying better, but more exciting. And the truth is, GSL days are too long, I can never watch all of it even though I pay for premium ticket - I just have no time to watch 3plus hours of SC2 every day.
Then just watch the ones you care about in the VODs. For example, as a Terran Player, I skipped Group A which had 2 Zergs and 2 Protosses. And while PvZ is interesting, ZvZ and PvP are not to me.
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On September 07 2012 02:52 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 22:38 JustPassingBy wrote:On September 06 2012 22:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On September 06 2012 21:33 Tossi83 wrote:On September 06 2012 20:35 JustPassingBy wrote:On September 06 2012 17:28 larse wrote:
They did improve this week. There are English schedules and English overlay in the video. And the VODs now are sorted according to matches like DRG vs Rain, Flash vs Best. It's shorter than GSL since it's already RO16 and there is no code A. But GSL costs 29.99 for a season while OSL costs 19.99. I would say it's just a little too expensive. Source? I could swear I only paid 14,99$ for my GSL season pass. On September 06 2012 17:39 larse wrote:On September 06 2012 17:35 Dodgin wrote:On September 06 2012 17:28 larse wrote:
They did improve this week. There are English schedules and English overlay in the video. And the VODs now are sorted according to matches like DRG vs Rain, Flash vs Best. It's shorter than GSL since it's already RO16 and there is no code A. But GSL costs 29.99 for a season while OSL costs 19.99. I would say it's just a little too expensive. This is incorrect, GSL is 15.00$ USD for the basic package ( hq stream, vods ) But there are ads and all that. OSL's 19.99 doesn't have. So I said it's 29.99. I didn't mean OSL is better. OSL is indeed expensive. Theoretically, there are ads, but somehow I haven't seen a single ad in the current season yet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyways, here a quick comparison between the GSL and OSL prices: OSL: for 20$, you get potentially: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get potentially: 8*5+4*5+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 97 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games but obviously one of the reasons why you get so few games in the OSL is because they did not charge for the dual-tournament, which can be regarded as the ro32 of the OSL. If you add those to the OSL package, you get almost the same amount of games as the Code S, a few less because OSL is bo3/bo5 instead of bo5/bo7. Either way, I think back to the whole Kespa vs ESF debate in amusement, as not few people claim that Kespa (and OSL) do everything for the fans, one proof of that being that the vods are free to watch. Can you count the sets too? Oo Min-Max values of course because with bo3 you can have 2 to 3 games with bo5 - 3 to 5 and with bo7 - 4 to 7 Counting sets might be a bit inacccurate, but I could do a min-max thing. On other note, I saw that I miscounted. Sets in the group stages of GSL are bo3, while sets in the group stages of OSL are bo1, so the max number of games are: OSL: for 20$, you get up to: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get up to: 8*5*3+4*5*3+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 217 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games the min number of games are OSL: for 20$, you get at least: 4*6 games + 4*2 games + 3*3 games = 41 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get at least: 8*5*2+4*5*2+4*3+2*3+1*4 = 142 games (code S) 24*2+16*2+12*2 = 104 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games Conclusively, I guess you can say that you pay between 39-49 cents per game in the OSL, while you pay between 8 to 12 cents per game in the GSL. That is assuming you bought the more expensive 30$ ticket. It's 4 to 6 cents per game in the GSL for the people who bought the 15$ ticket plus ads (which somehow are not shown to me either way). You really can't calculate like that. What if Kespa decided to make best of 5s instead? Would then suddenly they have the better system? So GOM goes for best of 7s then? On an OSL day I get 5 games and that is absolutely enough for me. GSL days are way, way too long and you can't watch everything anyway (if you have a life / unless you have holidays).
The base of my calculation is the format is the format of the last osl. Since there are no explicit sources on what the current format is, and since the format currently used in the ro16 coincides with the one used last season, I figured it would be as an educated guess as I could get.
I calculated the ratio between number of games offered to watch and the price of the ticket. If there are any errors with my calculations, feel free point them out and I'll correct them immediately.
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On September 07 2012 05:13 Allscorpion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:33 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Glad they put up all the vods finally for the recent games.
I have vods of the OSL Dual Tournament (pre-Ro16 games) on my channel as well. Do you have any vods of day 4 to be uploaded? plz.
I no longer cast OSL, so I don't have any vods after the Dual Tournament. You'll have to go through OGN for that.
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