EPTMan, must say, I'm loving Grubby's commentary. Even Moletrap seems to be doing decently, still quite a few rough spots, but everything considered, I'm enjoying it. Its a shame that grubby is only here for like 2 more weeks
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Wedge
Canada580 Posts
Man, must say, I'm loving Grubby's commentary. Even Moletrap seems to be doing decently, still quite a few rough spots, but everything considered, I'm enjoying it. Its a shame that grubby is only here for like 2 more weeks | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
I do love me some grubby but... | ||
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larse
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Highways
Australia6106 Posts
How do they hope to grow the scene if everything is behind a paywall? Accessibility is the most important thing about keeping e-sports alive. If everything is behind a paywall how would new people find the scene or get into the OSL. SD Vods should be free, but HD Vods you have to pay for. FUCKING DISGRACE OGN. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 06 2012 17:28 larse wrote: They did improve this week. There are English schedules and English overlay in the video. And the VODs now are sorted according to matches like DRG vs Rain, Flash vs Best. It's shorter than GSL since it's already RO16 and there is no code A. But GSL costs 29.99 for a season while OSL costs 19.99. I would say it's just a little too expensive. This is incorrect, GSL is 15.00$ USD for the basic package ( hq stream, vods ) | ||
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Highways
Australia6106 Posts
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larse
1611 Posts
On September 06 2012 17:35 Dodgin wrote: This is incorrect, GSL is 15.00$ USD for the basic package ( hq stream, vods ) But there are ads and all that. OSL's 19.99 doesn't have. So I said it's 29.99. I didn't mean OSL is better. OSL is indeed expensive. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 06 2012 17:38 Highways wrote: Right now most SC2 fans probably don't know anything about the OSL, how does OGN expect new fans to become interested in the OSL if the whole thing is behind a $20 pay wall. Yeah this is the main problem, they are not going to have a good foreigner viewerbase by putting up a paywall this quickly. GSL can get away with it because they are an established brand that everyone in SC2 already knows. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
its like they suddenly decided to fuck everyone over in every way. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
I have vods of the OSL Dual Tournament (pre-Ro16 games) on my channel as well. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On September 06 2012 17:28 larse wrote: They did improve this week. There are English schedules and English overlay in the video. And the VODs now are sorted according to matches like DRG vs Rain, Flash vs Best. It's shorter than GSL since it's already RO16 and there is no code A. But GSL costs 29.99 for a season while OSL costs 19.99. I would say it's just a little too expensive. Source? I could swear I only paid 14,99$ for my GSL season pass. On September 06 2012 17:39 larse wrote: But there are ads and all that. OSL's 19.99 doesn't have. So I said it's 29.99. I didn't mean OSL is better. OSL is indeed expensive. Theoretically, there are ads, but somehow I haven't seen a single ad in the current season yet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyways, here a quick comparison between the GSL and OSL prices: OSL: for 20$, you get potentially: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get potentially: 8*5+4*5+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 97 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games but obviously one of the reasons why you get so few games in the OSL is because they did not charge for the dual-tournament, which can be regarded as the ro32 of the OSL. If you add those to the OSL package, you get almost the same amount of games as the Code S, a few less because OSL is bo3/bo5 instead of bo5/bo7. Either way, I think back to the whole Kespa vs ESF debate in amusement, as not few people claim that Kespa (and OSL) do everything for the fans, one proof of that being that the vods are free to watch.  | ||
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Tossi83
Poland24 Posts
On September 06 2012 20:35 JustPassingBy wrote: Source? I could swear I only paid 14,99$ for my GSL season pass. Theoretically, there are ads, but somehow I haven't seen a single ad in the current season yet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyways, here a quick comparison between the GSL and OSL prices: OSL: for 20$, you get potentially: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get potentially: 8*5+4*5+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 97 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games but obviously one of the reasons why you get so few games in the OSL is because they did not charge for the dual-tournament, which can be regarded as the ro32 of the OSL. If you add those to the OSL package, you get almost the same amount of games as the Code S, a few less because OSL is bo3/bo5 instead of bo5/bo7. Either way, I think back to the whole Kespa vs ESF debate in amusement, as not few people claim that Kespa (and OSL) do everything for the fans, one proof of that being that the vods are free to watch. Can you count the sets too? Oo Min-Max values of course because with bo3 you can have 2 to 3 games with bo5 - 3 to 5 and with bo7 - 4 to 7 | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On September 06 2012 17:30 Highways wrote: This is disgraceful that you have to pay for VODs. I've already bought a subscription, but it's still a disgrace. How do they hope to grow the scene if everything is behind a paywall? Accessibility is the most important thing about keeping e-sports alive. If everything is behind a paywall how would new people find the scene or get into the OSL. SD Vods should be free, but HD Vods you have to pay for. FUCKING DISGRACE OGN. Does GOM have free SD VODs in the first place? If no, then that is a FUCKING DISGRACE too. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
But yeah charging for vods and "HQ" if you only have 480p is a joke, but it's their league so they can do whatever they want. They shouldn't be surprised if people start to pirate their stuff though. | ||
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Tossi83
Poland24 Posts
On September 06 2012 21:41 Djagulingu wrote: Does GOM have free SD VODs in the first place? If no, then that is a FUCKING DISGRACE too. If I remember well you can watch first set of every match for free at GOM site. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
Yes, that's what I've heard. From the production crew. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On September 06 2012 21:33 Tossi83 wrote: Can you count the sets too? Oo Min-Max values of course because with bo3 you can have 2 to 3 games with bo5 - 3 to 5 and with bo7 - 4 to 7 Counting sets might be a bit inacccurate, but I could do a min-max thing. On other note, I saw that I miscounted. Sets in the group stages of GSL are bo3, while sets in the group stages of OSL are bo1, so the max number of games are: OSL: for 20$, you get up to: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get up to: 8*5*3+4*5*3+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 217 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games the min number of games are OSL: for 20$, you get at least: 4*6 games + 4*2 games + 3*3 games = 41 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get at least: 8*5*2+4*5*2+4*3+2*3+1*4 = 142 games (code S) 24*2+16*2+12*2 = 104 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 06 2012 22:25 supernovamaniac wrote: I love how people are saying 'fuck you OGN' when they saw an opportunity to make more money after seeing GOM make money through such system. Yes, that's what I've heard. From the production crew. OGN's production hasn't been very good and with the paywall they're really hurting their foreign viewer count. GSL grew up alongside SC2 so everyone is familiar with it, I don't think many people will pay for OGN as well especially when it's more expensive and you get less games. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On September 06 2012 22:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Counting sets might be a bit inacccurate, but I could do a min-max thing. On other note, I saw that I miscounted. Sets in the group stages of GSL are bo3, while sets in the group stages of OSL are bo1, so the max number of games are: OSL: for 20$, you get up to: 4*6 games + 4*3 games + 3*5 games = 51 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get up to: 8*5*3+4*5*3+4*5+2*5+1*7 = 217 games (code S) 24*3+16*3+12*3 = 156 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games the min number of games are OSL: for 20$, you get at least: 4*6 games + 4*2 games + 3*3 games = 41 games GSL for 15$/30$ you get at least: 8*5*2+4*5*2+4*3+2*3+1*4 = 142 games (code S) 24*2+16*2+12*2 = 104 games (code A) and additionally the up-and-downs games Both dont require maths if you truly love esports. | ||
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