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On August 16 2012 02:13 Vandalo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 00:29 testthewest wrote:On August 15 2012 23:46 dereksmifz wrote:On August 15 2012 07:19 shinyA wrote:
Look at EG, they got a group of players and then marketed the hell out of them. They made their players into personalities, not recruit personalites and try to make them players.
THIS. Well, Huk, Thorzain were personalities before. In fact, they rather lost appeal since they joined. This is unfortunately how I view EG as well, particularly in regards to Huk. Since he left TL and joined EG, I feel like his personality and his results have been shuttered somewhat. That isn't to say that the latest Kingston commercial wasn't a great success. That being said, Incontrol and Idra certainly became personalities after they had the skill, as it should be
Incontrol and IdrA had strong personalities well before EG even picked them up. If you around the BW scene you would know.
Key phrases: USA B WAR MACHINE, CLAN 88), IdrA always sounding off on the forums and being all that.
Sorry if you weren't following BW or SC2 beforehand but these guys are known by everyone who played BW on a competitive level. Go to any BW website. People know them. They've always spoken out loud on anything and they don't back down.
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On a related note guys like Lz, Machine, etc. were streaming a lot when people didn't really stream. The live stream feeds started on TL dating way back to the first TSL and you could always find these guys streaming and living together. Perfect match for A.G. wanted.
There are valid reasons as to why these guys got picked up as a group.
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On August 16 2012 03:28 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 02:13 Vandalo wrote:On August 16 2012 00:29 testthewest wrote:On August 15 2012 23:46 dereksmifz wrote:On August 15 2012 07:19 shinyA wrote:
Look at EG, they got a group of players and then marketed the hell out of them. They made their players into personalities, not recruit personalites and try to make them players.
THIS. Well, Huk, Thorzain were personalities before. In fact, they rather lost appeal since they joined. This is unfortunately how I view EG as well, particularly in regards to Huk. Since he left TL and joined EG, I feel like his personality and his results have been shuttered somewhat. That isn't to say that the latest Kingston commercial wasn't a great success. That being said, Incontrol and Idra certainly became personalities after they had the skill, as it should be Incontrol and IdrA had strong personalities well before EG even picked them up. If you around the BW scene you would know. Key phrases: USA B WAR MACHINE, CLAN 88), IdrA always sounding off on the forums and being all that. Sorry if you weren't following BW or SC2 beforehand but these guys are known by everyone who played BW on a competitive level. Go to any BW website. People know them. They've always spoken out loud on anything and they don't back down. -_- On a related note guys like Lz, Machine, etc. were streaming a lot when people didn't really stream. The live stream feeds started on TL dating way back to the first TSL and you could always find these guys streaming and living together. Perfect match for A.G. wanted. There are valid reasons as to why these guys got picked up as a group.
They weren't that big, the community was tiny. It didn't matter if they were good at sc2 though, EG marketted the hell out of them to where it wouldn't matter how good they were. EG made damn sure that they were going to make money from them, they could have picked any players and done the same to be honest. They were picked before SC2 even came out based on their BW days. No offense to them but Machine and LzGameR weren't that good or known at BW, USA in general wasn't that good, you can say you knew them but I mean it was you and like a thousand other people, max; compare that to now.
EG picked up the 'clique' of USA players and knew they were going to everything they could to make money off of them whether they succeeded in the game or not. Proof would be that Machine and Lz haven't had any impressive results, in like forever. It doesn't matter, though. They're more than players and they make money for EG because of it. Skill has very little to do with making money in SC2 right now, and that's why it's so unrealistic to try to make a career out of SC2. If you weren't playing in the beta and marketing yourself then the ship has sailed. Without top tournament results, you're not going to get anywhere really.
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On August 15 2012 04:56 ichnaschekot wrote:
Well, another unimportant team gone. Next?
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Every team is important, as teams from every level help improve the standard of play as promote the legitimacy of eSports.
Nobody cares if you care about, or think that a local basketball team is important, but that "unimportant" team has an influence on a certain amount of people in the sport that you care about, so whether you like it or know it or not, they have importance.
Sad that another team has to go like this.
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Not check six! Where will the professional diamond league players go now?!
In all seriousness I can't say I'm surprised. No one on their team really produced results and they just didn't have any players that were a big draw that sponsors would like. Their biggest name was painuser, but he's associated more with IPL than x6.
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On August 16 2012 03:43 shinyA wrote:
They weren't that big, the community was tiny. It didn't matter if they were good at sc2 though, EG marketted the hell out of them to where it wouldn't matter how good they were. EG made damn sure that they were going to make money from them, they could have picked any players and done the same to be honest. They were picked before SC2 even came out based on their BW days. No offense to them but Machine and LzGameR weren't that good or known at BW, USA in general wasn't that good, you can say you knew them but I mean it was you and like a thousand other people, max; compare that to now.
EG picked up the 'clique' of USA players and knew they were going to everything they could to make money off of them whether they succeeded in the game or not. Proof would be that Machine and Lz haven't had any impressive results, in like forever. It doesn't matter, though. They're more than players and they make money for EG because of it. Skill has very little to do with making money in SC2 right now, and that's why it's so unrealistic to try to make a career out of SC2. If you weren't playing in the beta and marketing yourself then the ship has sailed. Without top tournament results, you're not going to get anywhere really.
Your're totally right in saying that you need top tournament results to get anywhere. As the teams of talented foreigners shrinks breaking in becomes harder than ever.
In terms of BW, there was a HUGE discrepancy between foreign and Korean teams. Ret and Idra were the only players around 2010 that could take on lower level pro Koreans on their own turf. I was an avid watcher of BW events in 2009 and don't remember a single foreign tournament that invited top level Korean pro's. In terms of raw talent, EG wasn't the level, of say, ToT, but they weren't bad, either.
Sorry you seem to dislike Lz and Machine so much, but they were talented on a smaller scale during BW. Both of them had very good showings for at least one US championship (Lz had several). They earned their spots and were fortunate to be part of a team that dove head-first into SC2.
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On August 16 2012 07:44 Servius_Fulvius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 03:43 shinyA wrote:
They weren't that big, the community was tiny. It didn't matter if they were good at sc2 though, EG marketted the hell out of them to where it wouldn't matter how good they were. EG made damn sure that they were going to make money from them, they could have picked any players and done the same to be honest. They were picked before SC2 even came out based on their BW days. No offense to them but Machine and LzGameR weren't that good or known at BW, USA in general wasn't that good, you can say you knew them but I mean it was you and like a thousand other people, max; compare that to now.
EG picked up the 'clique' of USA players and knew they were going to everything they could to make money off of them whether they succeeded in the game or not. Proof would be that Machine and Lz haven't had any impressive results, in like forever. It doesn't matter, though. They're more than players and they make money for EG because of it. Skill has very little to do with making money in SC2 right now, and that's why it's so unrealistic to try to make a career out of SC2. If you weren't playing in the beta and marketing yourself then the ship has sailed. Without top tournament results, you're not going to get anywhere really.
Your're totally right in saying that you need top tournament results to get anywhere. As the teams of talented foreigners shrinks breaking in becomes harder than ever. In terms of BW, there was a HUGE discrepancy between foreign and Korean teams. Ret and Idra were the only players around 2010 that could take on lower level pro Koreans on their own turf. I was an avid watcher of BW events in 2009 and don't remember a single foreign tournament that invited top level Korean pro's. In terms of raw talent, EG wasn't the level, of say, ToT, but they weren't bad, either. Sorry you seem to dislike Lz and Machine so much, but they were talented on a smaller scale during BW. Both of them had very good showings for at least one US championship (Lz had several). They earned their spots and were fortunate to be part of a team that dove head-first into SC2.
I don't dislike them, but they were like above average BW players; B+ tops. The way the USA scene was like really highschoolish. There were cliques and groups and they were lucky to be in the one that EG recruited. I'm not saying they are undeserving or that they are awful or anything like that, I'm just saying that EG could have picked anyone and had the same success. EG knows how to market their players, no matter who they are.
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People that are saying dumb comments like " professional diamond players" and "Well, another unimportant team gone. Next?" need to have a fucking history lesson... x6 or checksix has been around for a very long time in games... sc2 is game.. there was A LOT of games before sc2, and they had some great teams in all of them...learn some shit before you talk.
So if CheckSix fails ... the whole esports shit should be hurting from it... because that shows if you are NOT a top player or already in the system as a Mr. popularity then you are fucked... so you should be a little more sad then that.
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im sad xSix disbanded, one of the teams i really liked
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The best foreign team didn't withstand the Korean might. So sad :'((
Probably one of the most talented players out there, they had such sickest pick-ups in the past :/
No more hope to go to the GSTL I guess.
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On August 16 2012 10:54 ZenithM wrote:
The best foreign team didn't withstand the Korean might. So sad :'((
Probably one of the most talented players out there, they had such sickest pick-ups in the past :/
No more hope to go to the GSTL I guess.
I hope you get banned...
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I know this an sc2 site.. but there are other games where xSix and EG were both the highest level US teams. They may have not made as big a mark on sc2, but they surely have over the years in other titles.
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Sad to see Check Six go under again .. its true though, very hard to run a team without investing a lot of your own money and gambling to keep you a float until you can secure those big sponsorships
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Shame
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really unfortunate to see a pro team to disband
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sucks to see a sc2 team go but expected. no bm
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This is very unfortunate, I really liked their Team. Though I'm really glad Suppy managed to join a more "established" team such as EG, really happy for him. As for sleep, I really care for him aswell, we'll have to wait for the best for all these players.
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Sad to see any team disband. I hope all the players find good new teams, and with the best for them and the rest of the SCII community.
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too bad for them, only really knew ThisIsJimmy but he's been with them for two years, hope he's able to find a new place!
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