• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:16
CEST 03:16
KST 10:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High15Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2
Community News
BSL Season 214herO joins T121Artosis vs Ret Showmatch53Classic wins RSL Revival Season 22Weekly Cups (Sept 15-21): herO Goes For Four2
StarCraft 2
General
Production Quality - Maestros of the Game Vs RSL 2 SC2 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes + Sept 22nd update Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) Had to smile :) herO joins T1
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Prome's Evo #1 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion BSL Season 21 Artosis vs Ret Showmatch BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL 20 Soundtrack
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro8 Day 2 Azhi's Colosseum [ASL20] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Current Meta I am doing this better than progamers do. Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Liquipedia App: Now Covering SC2 and Brood War! Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final
Blogs
[AI] Sorry, Chill, My Bad :…
Peanutsc
Try to reverse getting fired …
Garnet
[ASL20] Players bad at pi…
pullarius1
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1698 users

Unofficial World Champion - Page 72

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 137 Next
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
April 10 2013 08:01 GMT
#1421
On April 10 2013 16:05 Martijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 15:40 bduddy wrote:
The champ is here! (in group J)

http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=300617&cid=0&kind=8


That solves that.

unless he loses to a nobody and we end up with another 6 months of no defense
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 10 2013 08:02 GMT
#1422
MLG open bracket has counted but nothing else afaik. the difference is that usually qualifiers are online only. MLG open bracket was always marketed as an actual park of the tournament.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
justsayinbro
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
307 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 08:20:33
April 10 2013 08:02 GMT
#1423
don't consider code B but just reset for hots since its a "different" game lol. if bear plays a *proper match then we can chose to either go back to the list or continue on with hots.... or keep two list for unofficial champ of HoTs and sc2(continous)

but if we include code b then we need to retroactively apply it even at the event of previous champs changing imo. so if we do that we may not even have bear to deal with in the first place.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 10 2013 08:06 GMT
#1424
Opterown, I don't see why you push "marketing as tournament" as a criterion. How the organizers call a tournament does not matter, right. The rules was originally worded to avoid offline cheating. Whether the tourney is called a tournament, qualifier, derby, challenger league, league, smashdown, etc. Does not matter.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
April 10 2013 08:08 GMT
#1425
So, has the champion been defeated or does it not count?
the game is the game
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 10 2013 08:09 GMT
#1426
no, the way a tournament was marketed was quite important in deciding that showmatches didn't count.

i wrote the original rules, i know their intent, they were mainly to prevent things like cross-region play, lag, etc affecting players too much. i am open to changing them, but i am not completely convinced so far
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
dinosrwar
Profile Joined September 2011
1290 Posts
April 10 2013 08:13 GMT
#1427
On April 10 2013 17:02 opterown wrote:
MLG open bracket has counted but nothing else afaik. the difference is that usually qualifiers are online only. MLG open bracket was always marketed as an actual park of the tournament.


Code A qualifiers are onsite + it's marketed as part of Blizzard's WCS. THE CHAMPION IS DEAD. Time to Panic.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 08:15:12
April 10 2013 08:14 GMT
#1428
On April 10 2013 17:09 opterown wrote:
no, the way a tournament was marketed was quite important in deciding that showmatches didn't count.

It makes more sense to decide this based on what a tournament is than what it says it is.

Anyway, FWIW Bear lost and now Panic is up against Zero.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 10 2013 08:16 GMT
#1429
honestly i will probably end up counting this, partly due to popular opinion, but i still feel uneasy doing so
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 10 2013 08:17 GMT
#1430
whoever wins bear's group will be in code a and the UWC, then whoever beats that person in Code A will have it. Then hopefully it will cycle around in WCS/GSTL/proleague and be fun to follow again. Just make it count, sitting on an inactive champion is seriously boring. I don't get why you're being so stubborn about this, might as well just close the thread because the only thing to talk about is how there's nothing to talk about.
partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
April 10 2013 08:19 GMT
#1431
On April 10 2013 17:16 opterown wrote:
honestly i will probably end up counting this, partly due to popular opinion, but i still feel uneasy doing so


i really hope you don't and stick with whats right. we had rules, so i say we stick with them. Not having a new champion for a while won't kill anyone, and it will be that much more exciting when we find a new champion
#1 Official Hack Fan|#2 Bomber behind Wintex.|Curious|Life|Flash|TY|Cure|Maru|sOs|Jin Air Green Wings fighting!|SBENU Fighting!|
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 08:22:49
April 10 2013 08:22 GMT
#1432
alright, so how about this. PL lineups should be release next week. if bear is not scheduled to play in them, then i will count the code B bracket for UWC. i think that's not unreasonable. it's not about being anti-fun, it's about how this project started and being consistent
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Rikiya
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan87 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 08:28:10
April 10 2013 08:24 GMT
#1433
This could be one of the only chances of seeing Bear actually play ( unless we wait till next qualifer). He might not play in this proleague ever again. Proleague is getting closer to its final rounds so teams should be only sending there best. I would just add this as a WCS tournament.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 08:50:47
April 10 2013 08:45 GMT
#1434
WCS contender division is not online and is broadcast live. That meets the qualifications we've always used. Winners are even guaranteed prize money. I'd call it pretty open and shut.

edit: spelling
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
zionsc
Profile Joined December 2008
United States26 Posts
April 10 2013 08:46 GMT
#1435
I wouldn't mind if Bear continued to be UWC for the rest of time. But, personally I feel there's no question at all that Code A qualifiers should count. It's an offline tournament where everyone is going to try to win, with a lot of competitive pressure layered on top. I'm actually a bit surprised to find out that they didn't count in the past, even though they weren't broadcasted.

I remember in the first seasons of GSL, they referred to the ro128 or ro64, whichever it was, as the "first TV round," but the prior rounds were still considered as part of the bracket, of course. I've always assumed Code A was still operating in this way, where the qualifiers are the beginning segment, but then Code A is the cut-off for when it gets broadcasted. I'm curious if the qualifier brackets feed directly into Code A, or if it becomes re-seeded.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
April 10 2013 08:46 GMT
#1436
On April 10 2013 17:45 Promethelax wrote:
WCS contender division is not online and is broadcast love. That meets the qualifications we've always used. Winners are even guaranteed prize money. I'd call it pretty open and shut.


Yeah, I totally understand the hesitation of using Code A qualifiers... However, this is no longer "code A qualifiers"... It's WCS contender division.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 08:56:00
April 10 2013 08:55 GMT
#1437
Arguments about it taking too long, that an inactive champion is boring, honestly throw those right out the window. They're not really relevant.

As far as I could tell, this is the first Code A qualifier that is streamed live from the venue and affects the UWC. We should check if any previous Code A qualifiers that were streamed from the event affected the UWC. Someone mentioned Wolf streamed some? From the event itself? Suppose I'll just ask him which ones and we can check.

The "qualifier" label shouldn't really change anything, the UWC in soccer counts world cup/euro cup qualifiers too. A qualifier in my eyes is still a tournament, a showmatch series isn't. It might not be the intent of the rule, but if we follow the rules, there's no reason this shouldn't count.

Coincidentally, probably the most stacked code A qualifier too ;p
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33445 Posts
April 10 2013 09:06 GMT
#1438
On April 10 2013 17:06 Ghanburighan wrote:
Opterown, I don't see why you push "marketing as tournament" as a criterion. How the organizers call a tournament does not matter, right. The rules was originally worded to avoid offline cheating. Whether the tourney is called a tournament, qualifier, derby, challenger league, league, smashdown, etc. Does not matter.


you have a point, but in the case where it's very subjective as to what constitutes a serious tournament, what the organizer itself considers the tournament to be is as good a decider as any
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
April 10 2013 09:09 GMT
#1439
On April 10 2013 18:06 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 17:06 Ghanburighan wrote:
Opterown, I don't see why you push "marketing as tournament" as a criterion. How the organizers call a tournament does not matter, right. The rules was originally worded to avoid offline cheating. Whether the tourney is called a tournament, qualifier, derby, challenger league, league, smashdown, etc. Does not matter.


you have a point, but in the case where it's very subjective as to what constitutes a serious tournament, what the organizer itself considers the tournament to be is as good a decider as any


but I think the change of 'code A qualifier' to 'WCS contender division' suggests a change in the way the tournament is thought about by its organizers.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 10 2013 09:15 GMT
#1440
If we go through with the change, congratulations to Terminator on becoming the new UWC!
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 137 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 126
RuFF_SC2 84
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18269
Artosis 839
ZZZero.O 74
Bale 39
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K544
Fnx 457
taco 140
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe194
ArmadaUGS24
Other Games
summit1g10028
shahzam744
JimRising 612
C9.Mang0234
Maynarde185
XaKoH 183
UpATreeSC102
NeuroSwarm97
Mew2King46
ViBE2
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1285
BasetradeTV92
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta45
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie2324
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
8h 45m
Soma vs BeSt
Wardi Open
9h 45m
OSC
22h 45m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 8h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 8h
Bisu vs Larva
LiuLi Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
Safe House 2
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-25
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
Urban Riga Open #1
FERJEE Rush 2025
Birch Cup 2025
DraculaN #2
LanDaLan #3
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
WardiTV TLMC #15
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Frag Blocktober 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.