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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 15 2012 21:24 GMT
#81
omg so many people leaving and joining teams all of the sudden O.O
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 15 2012 21:25 GMT
#82
On July 16 2012 06:23 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 06:16 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:14 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:06 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:59 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:57 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:29 Dexington wrote:
Tod isn't really a top foreigner imo, not surprised that he was let go.

But, he will always be one of those players that gets super hyped up by Warcraft fans, much like Nony gets hyped up by Broodwar fans.


Can I have what you're smoking, please?


Good reply, thanks for that.

What was the last major tournament he did well at?


He was probably the best "foreign" player outside of China, although he lived there for years.


That's a different game, friend. You're just proving my point.


I was never referring to SC2. You said he gets hyped by WC fans. He has earned every bit of it.


And it has not transferred to SC2, which is my point. We are not arguing about the same thing.

Agreed. Still better than Nony though
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4137 Posts
July 15 2012 21:34 GMT
#83
On July 16 2012 06:25 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 06:23 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:16 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:14 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:06 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:59 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:57 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:29 Dexington wrote:
Tod isn't really a top foreigner imo, not surprised that he was let go.

But, he will always be one of those players that gets super hyped up by Warcraft fans, much like Nony gets hyped up by Broodwar fans.


Can I have what you're smoking, please?


Good reply, thanks for that.

What was the last major tournament he did well at?


He was probably the best "foreign" player outside of China, although he lived there for years.


That's a different game, friend. You're just proving my point.


I was never referring to SC2. You said he gets hyped by WC fans. He has earned every bit of it.


And it has not transferred to SC2, which is my point. We are not arguing about the same thing.

Agreed. Still better than Nony though

ToD is a legend, like july in scbw, their prime/peak time are gone, nevertheless they earn some respect/hype.
ToD was one of the top3 "foreign" player from 2004 until he retired 2009.
Anyway, scbw and wc3 are/were 10000000 times better than sc2.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
July 15 2012 21:45 GMT
#84
On July 16 2012 06:34 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 06:25 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:23 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:16 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:14 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:06 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:59 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:57 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:29 Dexington wrote:
Tod isn't really a top foreigner imo, not surprised that he was let go.

But, he will always be one of those players that gets super hyped up by Warcraft fans, much like Nony gets hyped up by Broodwar fans.


Can I have what you're smoking, please?


Good reply, thanks for that.

What was the last major tournament he did well at?


He was probably the best "foreign" player outside of China, although he lived there for years.


That's a different game, friend. You're just proving my point.


I was never referring to SC2. You said he gets hyped by WC fans. He has earned every bit of it.


And it has not transferred to SC2, which is my point. We are not arguing about the same thing.

Agreed. Still better than Nony though

ToD is a legend, like july in scbw, their prime/peak time are gone, nevertheless they earn some respect/hype.
ToD was one of the top3 "foreign" player from 2004 until he retired 2009.
Anyway, scbw and wc3 are/were 10000000 times better than sc2.


Maybe in a few years SC2 will have a more appealing gameplay. The game is balanced but its not as fun to play as BW or W3 yet.
decemberTV
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
July 15 2012 21:46 GMT
#85
ROOT.Tod. GOGOGO!
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
July 15 2012 21:50 GMT
#86
oh I hope ToD is still motivated and will find a new team!
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
July 15 2012 21:53 GMT
#87
On July 16 2012 06:45 Quantic.decemvre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 06:34 Dingodile wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:25 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:23 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:16 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:14 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:06 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:59 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:57 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:29 Dexington wrote:
Tod isn't really a top foreigner imo, not surprised that he was let go.

But, he will always be one of those players that gets super hyped up by Warcraft fans, much like Nony gets hyped up by Broodwar fans.


Can I have what you're smoking, please?


Good reply, thanks for that.

What was the last major tournament he did well at?


He was probably the best "foreign" player outside of China, although he lived there for years.


That's a different game, friend. You're just proving my point.


I was never referring to SC2. You said he gets hyped by WC fans. He has earned every bit of it.


And it has not transferred to SC2, which is my point. We are not arguing about the same thing.

Agreed. Still better than Nony though

ToD is a legend, like july in scbw, their prime/peak time are gone, nevertheless they earn some respect/hype.
ToD was one of the top3 "foreign" player from 2004 until he retired 2009.
Anyway, scbw and wc3 are/were 10000000 times better than sc2.


Maybe in a few years SC2 will have a more appealing gameplay. The game is balanced but its not as fun to play as BW or W3 yet.

WarCraft 3 is still the most fun to play and watch. StarCraft is great but nothing would excite me more then seeing Blizzard announce WarCraft 4. And SC2's balance is still a bit shaky plus Heart of the Swarm looks like it's going to mean a long while of balance patches before we get back to a more balanced spot.
aFganFlyTrap
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia212 Posts
July 15 2012 22:48 GMT
#88
On July 16 2012 04:29 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
It's weird how the best wc3 players (Tod, grubby, moon, infi) kind of failed to transfer their skills in sc2 meanwhile the average ones (naniwa, sase, thorzain, kas) are now some of the best foreigners.

gl ToDoNte

edit :


Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 04:29 Boyo wrote:
"Me and Fnatic have mutually agreed on PartinG ways",
What could this mean...


good catch, didn't even notice :O




its not weird at all. if you look at the circumstances surrounding each player you would realise why they werent break out stars at the beginning of the game. for starters most of them werent even playing the game seriously untill a year after the game came out. you figure out the rest.
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
July 15 2012 23:00 GMT
#89
On July 16 2012 06:53 The Final Boss wrote:
WarCraft 3 is still the most fun to play and watch. StarCraft is great but nothing would excite me more then seeing Blizzard announce WarCraft 4. And SC2's balance is still a bit shaky plus Heart of the Swarm looks like it's going to mean a long while of balance patches before we get back to a more balanced spot.

I agree that WC3 is an amazing spectator game and it's still better to watch than SC2 (apart from the graphics being bad of course). But I don't want WC4 right now, it would just tear the community apart. I think it's awesome that the SC:BW and WC3 communities have basically merged together and I love how SC2 is so big right now.

Sorry for being massively offtopic :/
Sad to see Tod leave, I hope he'll do well in the future. I like fnatic, hopefully they'll be able to get some more top level foreigners in the future and continue to do well in GSTL.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
July 15 2012 23:06 GMT
#90
Didn't ToD just recently see some success in tournaments? He probably won't be teamless for long if that is the case.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
July 15 2012 23:10 GMT
#91
this is interesting.. good luck to both tod and fnatic. i hope to see him do well in the futute
i love you
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
July 15 2012 23:11 GMT
#92
On July 16 2012 04:29 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
It's weird how the best wc3 players (Tod, grubby, moon, infi) kind of failed to transfer their skills in sc2 meanwhile the average ones (naniwa, sase, thorzain, kas) are now some of the best foreigners.


Forgot Stephano there he was a practice partner of Grubby's back then, now one of the very best
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
NoMicroWin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States688 Posts
July 15 2012 23:13 GMT
#93
=( ToD <3

gl in finding a new team
If she pulls out her stalkers, you pull out your mauraders and concussive all over her tits
-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
July 15 2012 23:15 GMT
#94


Gl to both Fnatic and ToD
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 23:21:33
July 15 2012 23:17 GMT
#95
On July 16 2012 08:06 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Didn't ToD just recently see some success in tournaments? He probably won't be teamless for long if that is the case.

No he didn't. (Knocked out in the first groupstage in HSC 5 and knocked out in the second groupstage at Dreamhack Summer by two semi-tier swedes.) For someone that practiced in Korea for over 9 months in a progaminghouse environment as well, he should'nt really be losing like that to mid-tier europeans who don't even play the game fulltime (Mini and Seiplo).
sephibot
Profile Joined March 2011
France20 Posts
July 15 2012 23:19 GMT
#96
sad
Thinks What You Do
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4137 Posts
July 15 2012 23:20 GMT
#97
On July 16 2012 08:11 ArcticRaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 04:29 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
It's weird how the best wc3 players (Tod, grubby, moon, infi) kind of failed to transfer their skills in sc2 meanwhile the average ones (naniwa, sase, thorzain, kas) are now some of the best foreigners.


Forgot Stephano there he was a practice partner of Grubby's back then, now one of the very best

I don' think Grubby is an average sc2 player, you shouldn't compare with his wc3 accomplishes. Only Naniwa and Sase are better than him in sc2.

For me, he is the best EU/NA Protoss (Naniwa, HuK and Sase doesnt count for me because they live in KR)
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
July 15 2012 23:22 GMT
#98
Boooo fnatic

ToD didn't have any insanely good results, but he was a really strong player IMO and definitely deserves to be on a top team.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 15 2012 23:23 GMT
#99
On July 16 2012 06:53 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 06:45 Quantic.decemvre wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:34 Dingodile wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:25 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:23 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:16 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:14 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:06 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:59 Dexington wrote:
On July 16 2012 05:57 IRL_Sinister wrote:
[quote]

Can I have what you're smoking, please?


Good reply, thanks for that.

What was the last major tournament he did well at?


He was probably the best "foreign" player outside of China, although he lived there for years.


That's a different game, friend. You're just proving my point.


I was never referring to SC2. You said he gets hyped by WC fans. He has earned every bit of it.


And it has not transferred to SC2, which is my point. We are not arguing about the same thing.

Agreed. Still better than Nony though

ToD is a legend, like july in scbw, their prime/peak time are gone, nevertheless they earn some respect/hype.
ToD was one of the top3 "foreign" player from 2004 until he retired 2009.
Anyway, scbw and wc3 are/were 10000000 times better than sc2.


Maybe in a few years SC2 will have a more appealing gameplay. The game is balanced but its not as fun to play as BW or W3 yet.

WarCraft 3 is still the most fun to play and watch. StarCraft is great but nothing would excite me more then seeing Blizzard announce WarCraft 4. And SC2's balance is still a bit shaky plus Heart of the Swarm looks like it's going to mean a long while of balance patches before we get back to a more balanced spot.


as much as I agree about wc3, It would only make me sad if they announced wc4. After d3 and sc2, I have learned blizzard is not the same blizzard they once were, so I am not going to continue to pay for their games based on the expectations from bw and wc3 anymore :/
Question.?
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
July 15 2012 23:23 GMT
#100
On July 16 2012 08:20 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 08:11 ArcticRaven wrote:
On July 16 2012 04:29 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
It's weird how the best wc3 players (Tod, grubby, moon, infi) kind of failed to transfer their skills in sc2 meanwhile the average ones (naniwa, sase, thorzain, kas) are now some of the best foreigners.


Forgot Stephano there he was a practice partner of Grubby's back then, now one of the very best

I don' think Grubby is an average sc2 player, you shouldn't compare with his wc3 accomplishes. Only Naniwa and Sase are better than him in sc2.

For me, he is the best EU/NA Protoss (Naniwa, HuK and Sase doesnt count for me because they live in KR)


There's Mana but i kind of agree, Grubby is one of the best european player, just not top world. He seems to struggle like all the other protosses.these times.
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
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