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silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
June 25 2012 22:09 GMT
#121
On June 26 2012 07:02 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 06:54 silent_owl wrote:
On June 26 2012 05:50 GreyKnight wrote:
Sounds like bullshit to me. Boxer isnt famous because hes the best, hes famous because he represents terran players. This is like career suicide


Well, he was the best at a certain point in time.

I'm sure Boxer will pull through. Before his heyday, Terran was considered weak which was why chose to use the race. I'm sure T's will think of something in time.


Like what? All terrans are struggling. As in all.

Hopefully Blizzard fixes this mess and Boxer remains a Terran...



Yeah, I'm aware that all Terrans are struggling what with Mvp having 0% winrate in TvZ in practice while MKP has 10% winrate in practice. I'm just trying to be optimistic.

All P's struggled back in BW until the Bisu build after all. Then again, I'm too lazy to pull out stats or check if that's entirely accurate.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
June 25 2012 22:10 GMT
#122
On June 26 2012 07:00 Lunchador wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?

I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.


BoxeR got reavers nerfed, and switched because of the reaver nerf. The former's a half-lie, the latter's the full on truth. Just throwing it out there.


This, I did not know.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
June 25 2012 22:10 GMT
#123
On June 26 2012 07:04 SnipedSoul wrote:
If he does we should follow him. Make HoTS a 2 race game.


If he does I prolly won't even get HOTS -.-;; Might not even get HOTS anyways...
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 22:13:37
June 25 2012 22:12 GMT
#124
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?

I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.

But for how long though? SC2 is different with BW, it's a fact that is needed to be accepted. The seriousness of a buff/nerf is significant magnified by a sheer number of competitive games that are being played nowaday. In BW, you can take 3 months to figure out, and it doesn't hurt that much because there were so few games and so few tournaments. But with current form of SC2 right now, 3 months mean HSC5, TSL4, MLG Summer Arena, Assembly Summer, MLG Summer Championship, DH Valencia. That is almost $200,000 moving around, not counting various online cups. What was the last time Terran win a Playhem?
Even back in the Zerg Dark Age, we still have Nestea and the online ladder DRG whose best MU is ZvT. Nowaday, you don't see any Terran confidently claiming that TvZ is his best MU anymore.

This is not about BW/SC2 alone, this is a mere simple problem that will happen to any populated community. Problem will always be magnified and need a different method to deal with other than letting it deal with itself.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 25 2012 22:13 GMT
#125
who doesnt?
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
June 25 2012 22:14 GMT
#126
On June 26 2012 07:08 AlgeriaT wrote:
MarineKing would have to become...ZealotKing?? The guy will have a heart attack.

He was P in BW and plays P more than most actual Protoss players. I think he'd be fine being ZealotKing.

Anyway this should be a wake up call for Blizzard, you know it's bad when BoxeR starts saying shit.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
RedMosquito
Profile Joined September 2010
United States280 Posts
June 25 2012 22:15 GMT
#127
really not surprised. hots looks terrible for terran as the weakness of terran late game hasn't been addressed while the other races got more late game options. If anything the new terran units will be used for one and two base all ins from which blizzard will have to nerf them down to the point where they arent very good anymore.

Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
June 25 2012 22:17 GMT
#128
Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.

In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.

Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?

I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.


Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T

I might switch to whatever race he switches to though
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zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
June 25 2012 22:18 GMT
#129
On June 26 2012 07:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I might switch to whatever race he switches to though


me too
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 25 2012 22:21 GMT
#130
On June 26 2012 07:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.

In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.

Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?

I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.


Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T

I might switch to whatever race he switches to though

he wrote that he played terran because they were humans, I think.
Drmooose
Profile Joined March 2011
United States390 Posts
June 25 2012 22:23 GMT
#131
I don't think I could handle a zerg Boxer....





...it'd be too awesome!
I have a question...
schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 22:24:57
June 25 2012 22:24 GMT
#132
Why is this turning into a Terran QQ thread? Pretty sure BoxeR has "half jokingly" been complaining about SC2 Terran forever, wasn't he one of those ultimatum guys ("nerf again and I'll switch!") back when that was in vogue back in year 1?

His break is going to be longer and he may switch. <- That's the news.
Change to MY nostalgia? UNACCEPTABLE! Monkey paaaw!
Rockztar
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark210 Posts
June 25 2012 22:24 GMT
#133
I read somewhere that he used to play Protoss in BW until there was a nerf on Reaver drop or something along those lines.
AsymptoticClimax
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom249 Posts
June 25 2012 22:25 GMT
#134
On June 26 2012 07:00 Lunchador wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 06:20 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
What did the SC BW pros do when their race was UP? They kept playing until they had a play or strat perfected which allowed them to beat the new meta-game or whatever. Why is this an exception? Have we past the threshold where we're being spoon fed by Blizzard now? We just give up instead of trying to be innovative?

I kinda lost a bit of respect for BoxeR..and not just him. any other pro who complains and just half arse the game because terran are having a hard time. although I do understand it's frustrating since it's their job to do well.


BoxeR got reavers nerfed, and switched because of the reaver nerf. The former's a half-lie, the latter's the full on truth. Just throwing it out there.

well actually fair enough I didn't know that, this kinda changes alot from my standpoint. My BW knowledge...is limited to say the least
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
June 25 2012 22:25 GMT
#135
On June 26 2012 07:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.

In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.

Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?

I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.


Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T

I might switch to whatever race he switches to though

He himself stated he switched to Terran because he liked to harass and reavers got nerfed so he went to Terran instead. Not cause they're weak.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
AwfulPlayer
Profile Joined August 2010
249 Posts
June 25 2012 22:27 GMT
#136
I think that being able to embrace other races easily is the one of the pros of Starcraft II.

[image loading] Boxer ! Yeah !

GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 22:29:55
June 25 2012 22:28 GMT
#137
Sweet, can't wait. I hope it's Protoss
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
June 25 2012 22:30 GMT
#138
On June 26 2012 07:25 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 07:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.

In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.

Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?

I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.


Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T

I might switch to whatever race he switches to though

He himself stated he switched to Terran because he liked to harass and reavers got nerfed so he went to Terran instead. Not cause they're weak.


Oh, thanks.


On June 26 2012 07:21 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 07:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Hmm this differs from his attitude he had with BW.

In his autobiography, he wrote that he chose Terran because they were the weakest.

Now, he doesn't want to play Terran because they seem to be getting increasingly weak?

I wonder why that is, and if he recognizes this change.


Anyways I'll cheer for whatever race he plays, but if he changes I'd hope it's not Zerg. I don't think that would fit him too well, it's more of a macro race than micro. Protoss maybe. I hope he sticks with Terran though T_T

I might switch to whatever race he switches to though

he wrote that he played terran because they were humans, I think.


Ah, yeah I remember that now.
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shineq
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1453 Posts
June 25 2012 22:30 GMT
#139
The Executor.
The Overmind.
Neither of those sound as awesome as The Emperor.
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
June 25 2012 22:30 GMT
#140


That's for everyone wondering about the whole BoxeR BW Terran/Protoss thing. From his own mouth.
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