MLG Arenas now free - Page 27

On June 25 2012 08:23 jmbthirteen wrote:

i really dont know how you got this out of my post.

All I said is that, had these Arenas not picked up a sponsor, they would most likely still be PPV because it is NOT more profitable for a free stream with ads than a PPV. Ad revenue is something you should want to rely on at this point in sc2. Not at the scale MLG is operating at.

And MLG is coming off an event where 4+ million people tuned in and had 437,000 concurrent, which is record breaking. So no, many people did not stop watching MLG since they started charging.

On June 25 2012 08:23 Wolfinsheeps wrote:
Your assumptions versus the word of MLG employees.

Sorry Mr. Nobody, you have zero credibility.

On June 25 2012 11:06 Scootaloo wrote:


He was talking about the Arena's, all of those had terrible viewer numbers, and even the restreams didn't hit more then 5k people (at least the one from /vg/).
And I believe Anaheim's viewer numbers where boosted by them not using a free crappy 360p stream, just hope they stop doing it altogether.

And if you're stupid enough to believe every single word a company tells you, by all means believe Sundance did this out of the goodness of his heart and some new sponsors, not trying to save a event that massively flopped and that made a massive part of the fanbase hate his guts.



The words of MLG employees are biased, for all intents and purposes he has about as much credibility as they do.
Pretty childish way of trying to shut someone up.

On June 25 2012 11:40 zaii wrote:


Just hope you don't believe Sundance is doing this just to get rich like some other naive ppl.

On June 25 2012 11:53 Scootaloo wrote:


Not 'just', but it is obviously a large part of the equation, why else all the lies and secrecy (if you don't know what I'm talking about, watch the LO3 episode where they interviewed him right after the PPV decision)?
Fact is, Sundance lied to the community, blatantly lied about things very important to us, hence he got a good amount of the SC2 fans pissed off at him, although I suppose you could see this decision as a form of apology, he never gave one.
For the fans to like him again he first has to realize what he did wrong, apologize for it and THEN make amends by making the tourney freemium, right now he's trying to ignore the whole PPV debacle and hopes we'll do the same and not hold him accountable for his actions.

On June 25 2012 11:53 Scootaloo wrote:


Not 'just', but it is obviously a large part of the equation, why else all the lies and secrecy (if you don't know what I'm talking about, watch the LO3 episode where they interviewed him right after the PPV decision)?
Fact is, Sundance lied to the community, blatantly lied about things very important to us, hence he got a good amount of the SC2 fans pissed off at him, although I suppose you could see this decision as a form of apology, he never gave one.
For the fans to like him again he first has to realize what he did wrong, apologize for it and THEN make amends by making the tourney freemium, right now he's trying to ignore the whole PPV debacle and hopes we'll do the same and not hold him accountable for his actions.

On June 25 2012 11:56 zaii wrote:


Oh shit I needed that good laugh.

On June 25 2012 12:04 Scootaloo wrote:


So I guess that means you can't actually counter any of my arguments now doesn't it?

And to the poster above, Dreamhack pretty much proves you don't need to go PPV to be self sustaining.

On June 25 2012 12:06 Hnnngg wrote:


Probably because Dreamhack is a festival, not an eSports event.

Neither does IPL, because it's a goddamn Murdoch company.

MLG has nothing like that, they started as an eSports company from the start and stay that way. They also manage to do more events than IPL and Dreamhack combined.

On June 23 2012 19:05 Warzone wrote:
Most of the arguments in this thread are laughable. If you paid any attention at all and understood how the world worked, you would see that because of the groundbreaking amount of viewers at the Spring Championships, yes the Championships, not the arenas, MLG was able to secure additional sponsor(s) to support their arenas. If you are supporting something it is in your interest to have the largest number of people viewing it possible, hence the removal of PPV. The sponsor subsidises MLG in return for their sacrifice, allowing the arrangment to benefit both sides, as well as benefit the viewer, you.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the the success/failure (Believe what you want, but they have publicly declared that the previous arenas were successes) of the Winter and Spring arenas. You have to understand that each business is run differently and on a different set of sponsors and a different sized budget with a different sized viewer base. For some tournaments freemium is practical, and for others it simply is not. MLG has gotten to the point where it now makes sense for them to offer their arenas for free because the benefits they receive from their sponsor are now more significant than the money they would receive from PPV.

On June 25 2012 12:17 Scootaloo wrote:


And how is Dreamhack being a festival even remotely relevant? Them being smart enough to include a massive LAN party makes them into a different catagory?
At the end of the day you're dealing with 2 massive tournaments, one who's doing financially just fine and one who, according to Sundance, would die out if PPV didn't work.

And just doing a lot of MLG's doesn't really mean much either, a lot of them where forgetable because unlike Dreamhack the venue wasn't that impressive, if Dreamhack can hire a massive ice hockey rink and not be in any financial troubles, what's MLG doing wrong? You're supposed to make back your money from sponsors and the money people spend at the event.
Either MLG doesn't know how to make people spend at their events or they're bad at finding sponsors.

On June 25 2012 12:20 Sherlocks Mind wrote:


For all the people that are being morons as well as not believing Sundance or Adam on the success of Arenas, read the post I quoted and shut up. Now move along.

On June 25 2012 12:04 Scootaloo wrote:


So I guess that means you can't actually counter any of my arguments now doesn't it?

And to the poster above, Dreamhack pretty much proves you don't need to go PPV to be self sustaining.

On June 25 2012 12:17 Scootaloo wrote:


And how is Dreamhack being a festival even remotely relevant? Them being smart enough to include a massive LAN party makes them into a different catagory?
At the end of the day you're dealing with 2 massive tournaments, one who's doing financially just fine and one who, according to Sundance, would die out if PPV didn't work.

And just doing a lot of MLG's doesn't really mean much either, a lot of them where forgetable because unlike Dreamhack the venue wasn't that impressive, if Dreamhack can hire a massive ice hockey rink and not be in any financial troubles, what's MLG doing wrong? You're supposed to make back your money from sponsors and the money people spend at the event.
Either MLG doesn't know how to make people spend at their events or they're bad at finding sponsors.

On June 25 2012 12:24 Hnnngg wrote:


Dreamhack being a festival is all that's relevant. Do you know how easy it is to get sponsors for a festival like Dreamhack? Of course they have sponsors they run a huge fucking festival with thousands of attendants and only a few of those actually care about the eSport part of Dreamhack. It's just mathetically impossible to do their "eSports" event the way they do without their music/LAN/etc. And no, Sundance never said MLG would die out without PPV. He said it would be an expensive hobby with the information he had at the time. This new sponsor money is more than the entire SC2 community can shell out.

It's forgettable if you have mental issues or are an MLG-hater. I remember every MLG, I remember that Dreamhack is a "lose 1 bo3 and out of the tournament" kind of tournament where you need an 100% winrate to win. The Dreamhack winner is just luck, not to be remembered because the win is irrelevant.

The venue also doesn't matter, not important for viewing experience unless you need to be spoonfed your hype, one of the reason the FGC laughs at us because we're pathetic.

On June 25 2012 12:31 zaii wrote:


No he said they would be doing less events if it didn't work, But since Arena events are staying and now have new sponsorship backing, What does that tell you?

MLG consistently hosts 4-6 large scale events per year, Dreamhack has a nice pattern of 2 small events and 2 large. Also MLG bad at finding sponsors? hah look at there history and at how many mainstream sponsors supported them.

On June 25 2012 12:25 Scootaloo wrote:


Don't wanna rain on your parade, but you know that believing what a company says you should without question is about one of the biggest moronic moves you could make? Especially when this company has already lied to you before.

On June 25 2012 12:42 Scootaloo wrote:


Yeah now I know you're just pulling stats out of your ass if you say half the Dreamhacks are small, they're still bigger for SC2 then many of the MLG's have been, and appearantly if Sundance is crying about e-sports dying then he's having trouble finding sponsors.

What the Arena's getting sponsors proves is that it was a stunt to interest investors, not because he couldn't keep the tournaments running. He needed to prove to the sponsors sheep like you would buy his overpriced product, and by god did it work.
If you have no problem when a company blatantly lies to you, have fun getting screwed by the world.

And please stop proving you havn't watched the LO3 episode I keep refering to, Sunance LITERALLY states "if this [PPV] doesn't work, e-sports is dead".
Watch it and stop lying to yourself.