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Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
June 23 2012 14:14 GMT
#321
On June 23 2012 23:00 Schelim wrote:
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On June 23 2012 22:35 busbarn wrote:
Too bad their arenas are all korean and few watches anyway, except the die hard fans who paid last time.


not this again... i know that is not your intention but read your comment again and think about how racist it sounds. i don't understand why some people think koreans are less interesting to watch, especially when they're actually the better players. but to each their own of course.


It's not racist though. It's as racist as saying "I don't want to watch anyone but Korean players because they're the best." He doesn't want to watch an event full of Koreans because they're not entertaining. Not racist at all. You want racist?

On June 23 2012 22:47 JazzNL wrote:
I can finally start supporting MLG again. It's about time they stop hijacking esports with their stereotypical jewish behavior.


There you go. Because listening to investors when they yell at you and say "Make more money! Try PPV!" is apparently stereotypical Jewish behavior. Probably because Dreamhack, or MLG is American. But Europeans aren't blind xenophobic racists, right?
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 23 2012 14:20 GMT
#322
On June 23 2012 23:14 Mauldo wrote:
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On June 23 2012 23:00 Schelim wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:35 busbarn wrote:
Too bad their arenas are all korean and few watches anyway, except the die hard fans who paid last time.


not this again... i know that is not your intention but read your comment again and think about how racist it sounds. i don't understand why some people think koreans are less interesting to watch, especially when they're actually the better players. but to each their own of course.


It's not racist though. It's as racist as saying "I don't want to watch anyone but Korean players because they're the best." He doesn't want to watch an event full of Koreans because they're not entertaining. Not racist at all. You want racist?

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On June 23 2012 22:47 JazzNL wrote:
I can finally start supporting MLG again. It's about time they stop hijacking esports with their stereotypical jewish behavior.


There you go. Because listening to investors when they yell at you and say "Make more money! Try PPV!" is apparently stereotypical Jewish behavior. Probably because Dreamhack, or MLG is American. But Europeans aren't blind xenophobic racists, right?


i said i know it wasn't his intention to be racist. i understand exactly what he means (although i disagree with it), but it can come across as racist to someone that isn't paying attention. i also didn't say i don't want to watch anyone except koreans. i enjoy watching any good players and/or players i like pretty much equally.

and yeah, that's a racist comment by JazzNL. i wholeheartedly agree. that's a pretty messed up thing to say.
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milky_muh
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden38 Posts
June 23 2012 14:23 GMT
#323
about time
J_Slim
Profile Joined May 2011
United States199 Posts
June 23 2012 14:24 GMT
#324
neat. Really didn't see myself ever paying for a starcraft tournament -- I usually miss at least half the tourney anyway because of work.
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Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
June 23 2012 14:27 GMT
#325
On June 23 2012 23:13 Adreme wrote:
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On June 23 2012 22:59 Kuni wrote:
On June 23 2012 19:56 FrogOfWar wrote:
On June 23 2012 19:15 Kuni wrote:
I remember Sundance putting up a teary face in interviews regarding the PPV right before they had their first PPV arena. "OMG Peepz, we need diz or we die" "IZ da future boyz"

Apparently we don't really need it after all.


It is also possible that something is needed at one time (when your company is dying for example) and no longer needed at another. He says season pass sales were part of what made this possible.

(Why does MLG get shit on so much when they've always allowed watching their biggest events for free in good quality with convenient stream switching and so on while what GSL offers for free is and always has been a bad joke?)

I've got an MLG season pass. While I do think the price could have been lower, I'm very happy with what I got for it. Offering two free and two premium streams for the championships is a good, reasonable solution to let everyone watch and still make some money aside from sponsoring. But if sponsoring carries it alone, that is even better. (However, I hope it doesn't mean too many ads, or rather, too many repetitions of the same ad over and over. I enjoyed the ad-free championship quite a bit.)


You are of course right. It is entirely possible. But I don't think you should confuse one thing with the other. Their biggest event has always been free, because it has at the same time also always been the lifeblood of MLG drawing in viewers. If there was only the PPV arena and nothing else, no one would bother to buy the PPV pass, as there would be no hype, no interest, no nothing, just another event.

But the possibility alone doesn't automatically mean that it's fact. MLG gets so much shit for a reason. Sometimes they do shady decisions, the next day Sundance tweets about something and is the hero of the world. One day later they fuck something up again only to be the heroes the following day, after Sundance has tweeted something cool again.
It feels as if they're just testing how far the can fuck with us and what it takes to make us happy again. I don't like that and many others think the same.



It's cool that the arenas are now free, no matter the reason, but all those Sundance praises by community members are just as dishonest as half the MLG PR announcements they give us.


I dont think you know what words shady and dishonest mean. The only example I can possibly think of where they were at all dishonest was the gold member arena issue. I can sort of understand that one though but beyond that they have been fairly straitforward.



To name 2 other examples...

Then there was the issue with the exclusivity of the BW players. 100 questions asked, but no "real" answer. The final answer took quite some time to be released and everything else they said before was just beating around the bush.

From the outside MLG looks awesome for the viewer, but the player conditions are atrocious, as many players who attended MLG have stated before. The first complaints came up a year ago and only recently, the same shit happened again. They even threw out non-koreans from the player area, but put up a different treatment for koreans.



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Gluon
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands425 Posts
June 23 2012 14:27 GMT
#326
On June 23 2012 23:14 Mauldo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 23:00 Schelim wrote:
On June 23 2012 22:35 busbarn wrote:
Too bad their arenas are all korean and few watches anyway, except the die hard fans who paid last time.


not this again... i know that is not your intention but read your comment again and think about how racist it sounds. i don't understand why some people think koreans are less interesting to watch, especially when they're actually the better players. but to each their own of course.


It's not racist though. It's as racist as saying "I don't want to watch anyone but Korean players because they're the best." He doesn't want to watch an event full of Koreans because they're not entertaining. Not racist at all. You want racist?

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On June 23 2012 22:47 JazzNL wrote:
I can finally start supporting MLG again. It's about time they stop hijacking esports with their stereotypical jewish behavior.


There you go. Because listening to investors when they yell at you and say "Make more money! Try PPV!" is apparently stereotypical Jewish behavior. Probably because Dreamhack, or MLG is American. But Europeans aren't blind xenophobic racists, right?


Didn't know Jews constituted a race
But yeah, it does comply with what at least I know to be the stereotype about Jews. Doesn't make it ok to make such a comment though.
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SeraKuDA
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada343 Posts
June 23 2012 14:34 GMT
#327
On June 23 2012 16:00 Zenbrez wrote:
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On June 23 2012 14:07 SeraKuDA wrote:
Sundance should learn that bragging about drinking like that isn't cool once you graduate high school.

And then when you're out of highschool for longer than a year, you figure out that he's not bragging about drinking.


He's flaunting it. There's no need from a professional stand point.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 23 2012 14:52 GMT
#328
On June 23 2012 23:34 SeraKuDA wrote:
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On June 23 2012 16:00 Zenbrez wrote:
On June 23 2012 14:07 SeraKuDA wrote:
Sundance should learn that bragging about drinking like that isn't cool once you graduate high school.

And then when you're out of highschool for longer than a year, you figure out that he's not bragging about drinking.


He's flaunting it. There's no need from a professional stand point.

He's the CEO of a major company. If his shareholders suddenly turn into Jehovah's witnesses who hate drinking, maybe he'll care. Until then, goddammit people need to stop thinking they can run other people's lives.

There's no "need" for Sundance to post anything but business updates on his Twitter, but since he's a friendly guy who wants to actually have some sort of relationship with the community, he does anyway.
Rewera
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland354 Posts
June 23 2012 14:59 GMT
#329
Bravo, Bravo, Bravo and thak You!
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
June 23 2012 15:01 GMT
#330
Nice
I will still buy them though, i like having more streams and stuff <3
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 23 2012 15:03 GMT
#331
Very expected.

I for one don't think that business model was going to be too profitable in the long run, as there's way too much free content available pretty much every day, and nearly every weekend there's a major tournament as well. I didn't feel like I missed anything at all when I couldn't watch those tournaments. I imagine the players and sponsors as well felt badly about the format because of lack of exposure. Now I guess Arenas are worth watching as well.

(Also I'd take the statements about what made it possible with a grain of salt but might be just me)
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Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
June 23 2012 15:03 GMT
#332
Thank you very much MLG ! This is awesome !!
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
June 23 2012 15:10 GMT
#333
On June 23 2012 21:05 Adreme wrote:
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On June 23 2012 20:16 TheSir wrote:
On June 23 2012 19:41 Zealos wrote:
On June 23 2012 19:40 snailz wrote:
my brain sometimes hurts just from reading people...

anyhows, i'm not suprised at all that model failed, best of luck in the future, i'm sure they can make money just like everyone else does with free streams, big viewership and strong sponsors.

The model did work. It worked so well, they can afford not to use it anymore....
Please can people read what he said?


It didn't work otherwise why change it? Did so well so to much money? Yeah right, It doesn't matter what Sundance now says, we all heard him explaining over and over why he introduced PPV. A successful tournament (i still doubt it was that successful) doesn't change that and the sponsor he talks about is probably one of the Arena sponsors who is pissed off because only the Arena's got like 4/5k viewers, you get more exposure from sponsoring Idra's stream.

There's no way in hell the sponsors were happy about the Arena's and that combined with the LoL Arena's, which no one will pay for, they cant go full PPV for SC2 as well.

It's all a big mess and it doesn't surprise me at all.


Lets just make up some numbers for point of argument. If I make arenas PPV and made 100k dollars than thats a profit and I can live with that. If a major sponsor comes along and with that sponsorship I have the chance of 200k dollars profit if I make it free than success of model or not I will take the road that makes me more money.


Why would giving out a free stream suddenly make your more money when according to MLG it didn't work for years, why did they started with PPV then in the first place? Just because a sponsor suddenly jumps in? Why would they even jump in as the Arena's had terrible exposure?
That sponsor is basically saying we dont want to sponsor those Arena's with PPV cause we hardly benefit from it (which is true with numbers like that). A sponsor doesn't care if the company makes a profit or not, totally irrelevant to them.
If they wouldn't had a problem with it then there's no reason for MLG to drop the PPV only model cause it was so successful according to them so why not keep it and get that extra sponsor money? Or do you think Sundance is such a nice guy he just lets money walk?

It's either the sponsor(s) didn't want the Arena's to be PPV only or PPV was a big mess, which it probably was. Anything other then that doesn't make much sense.
The hole PPV model didn't make sense from the beginning and i said that right after they announced it. You cant pull of PPV successfully when you can watch the same thing for free a week later, especially in a market like SC2 now which is getting saturated.
Soulrivers
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden46 Posts
June 23 2012 15:11 GMT
#334
Awesome news, really happy about this.
laoji
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom382 Posts
June 23 2012 15:15 GMT
#335
WooHoo!!!
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marcelluspye
Profile Joined August 2011
United States155 Posts
June 23 2012 15:18 GMT
#336
Aww man, but those restreams with the loud russian guys were always so engaging
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
June 23 2012 15:26 GMT
#337
On June 23 2012 20:01 aebriol wrote:
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On June 23 2012 19:56 FrogOfWar wrote:
(Why does MLG get shit on so much when they've always allowed watching their biggest events for free in good quality with convenient stream switching and so on while what GSL offers for free is and always has been a bad joke?

Because GSL has delivered what they promised, while MLG promised gold members access to their tournaments for a year - then they didn't deliver that. Instead they made new tournaments, called them something else, and demanded more money.

So f MLG. And much love for GSL.


Just wait until Tuesday's Code A Ro48 LR thread, when the complaints about "dual stream" matches still being behind the paywall when they aren't simultaenous anymore come rolling in.
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FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
June 23 2012 15:27 GMT
#338
He gets it.
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Gl!tch
Profile Joined December 2010
United States573 Posts
June 23 2012 15:31 GMT
#339
This always seemed to be the greatest reward for subscribing. What is he going to add for subscribers as compensation? I assume they will get some sort of extra stream? ie. white/black streams?

I never actually subscribed, so this is awesome. I'm glad they turned enough of a profit to be able to have the option to do this.
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menaceko
Profile Joined May 2012
United States58 Posts
June 23 2012 15:37 GMT
#340
I have gold and always bought it anyways... shame on those that didn't support it!

But atleast now you get to enjoy the Arenas because they are really fucking awesome!!!



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