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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 07 2012 09:55 GMT
#5801
On June 07 2012 18:47 arb wrote:
The mods already know who the OP Is speculating seems kinda dumb imo. If they want it revealed they'll def tell us.


Probably drafting an official message to be posted in the news.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 09:57:30
June 07 2012 09:56 GMT
#5802
No lan mode, no private servers you'll get tons of those
There's just too much money to be won online tbh.

edit : i remember in previous TSL, mods would ask players to record their screens while playing.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 10:04:20
June 07 2012 10:03 GMT
#5803
Wouldn't it be funny if Spades made it to the MLG finals or something? It technically wouldn't prove that he did or didn't hack, but suddenly everyone would jump off the bandwagon.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
June 07 2012 10:05 GMT
#5804
On June 07 2012 17:29 dvorakftw wrote:
Okay so what I decided to do is grab all the Spades replays from his MLG games in 2010 and 11 and look for things that people have complained about. Unfortunately I didn't find the minimap SCV scouting - because if (or when) I do I will declare victory and dance a jig - but again MLG is closer to ladder in that you don't get to study and prep builds for a particular opponent in advance. However I did find in games against coLMVPKeen and FXOmOoNan respectively:

Half inch resiege:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Turns out to be not suspicious because the enemy is no longer there.

Leading with tanks instead of marines:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Not really a good idea and I don't recall it mentioned much here but it's something I remember from CatZ/Illusion and it's easy to disprove. Note The red above the minimap box are enemy units seen by a sensor tower so he knows he is moving the tanks toward danger.

Minimap scanning:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I know it's not easy but trust me you can zoom in and see the minimap's unfog of war circle before he scrolls up.

Changing army direction due to spotting a minimap dot:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Again you can't really see it, but the story is Spades takes one Xel and starts moving to the second when a red dot appears in the yellow circled area. Within a second he changes direction to defend the drop which he ends up holding off without any of that army. I know it doesn't exactly match the scan at 32:20 and move at 32:50 on TDA but does anyone really still want to say he should ignore 4 previous drops to that spot and the scan info to continue defending the mined out 3rd?

Marching his army into death while looking somewhere else for macro:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

One of the more recent complaints. Again, bad idea but it's something he apparently does and this time he pays for it.

Attacking an unscouted 3rd:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Again, suspicious play is foiled by the opponent not doing his part. If only his opponent had started the 3rd we could call shenanigans.

Anyway, I have new-found appreciation for lawyers getting $100/hr. and up. This stuff is tedious. So much easier to make 20 claims, see half of them dismissed and just continue saying "What about the rest?"




Just because of some games 2 years ago nothing changes about the current situation. His teammate wrote in this very thread he was surprised that spades offline results suddenly started skyrocketing in the last few months. You also have to make a difference between weird actions that work all the time and weird actions that work only occasionally.

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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
June 07 2012 10:12 GMT
#5805
It's funny how 14 years after Starcraft release we still run into the same problems.

Really.... 14 years and still the same shit...
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 07 2012 10:18 GMT
#5806
On June 07 2012 19:12 Boonbag wrote:
It's funny how 14 years after Starcraft release we still run into the same problems.

Really.... 14 years and still the same shit...


it's funny how people never change
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
June 07 2012 10:19 GMT
#5807
On June 07 2012 19:18 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 19:12 Boonbag wrote:
It's funny how 14 years after Starcraft release we still run into the same problems.

Really.... 14 years and still the same shit...


it's funny how people never change


well there's money on the line

people in sports use drugs to enhance their performances
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
June 07 2012 10:20 GMT
#5808
On June 07 2012 19:03 Defacer wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if Spades made it to the MLG finals or something? It technically wouldn't prove that he did or didn't hack, but suddenly everyone would jump off the bandwagon.

If the replays discussed in this thread would suddenly disappear at the same time and his performance could be attributed to some sort of super-human insight with no scouting... then yes, some people might believe he wasn't hacking.

Another extremely implausible scenario would be that Spades shows up at MLG with a sponsorship from a hacking site, uses hacks in all his games and asks Startale_Hack to marry him on stage. Even after that I'm pretty sure there would still be people on here claiming we need more evidence.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 10:24:00
June 07 2012 10:22 GMT
#5809
On June 07 2012 19:03 Defacer wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if Spades made it to the MLG finals or something? It technically wouldn't prove that he did or didn't hack, but suddenly everyone would jump off the bandwagon.

By judging how terrible he played on his stream yesterday he won't make it far, if he even shows up for MLG that is, not to mention one of his real ID friends in SC2 were HRGZack LOL.+ Show Spoiler +
For those that doesn't know who this guy is, please go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342704
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 07 2012 10:31 GMT
#5810
On June 07 2012 19:22 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 19:03 Defacer wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if Spades made it to the MLG finals or something? It technically wouldn't prove that he did or didn't hack, but suddenly everyone would jump off the bandwagon.

By judging how terrible he played on his stream yesterday he won't make it far, if he even shows up for MLG that is, not to mention one of his real ID friends in SC2 were HRGZack LOL.+ Show Spoiler +
For those that doesn't know who this guy is, please go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342704


See you in the MLG finals, then.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
June 07 2012 10:33 GMT
#5811
On June 07 2012 19:20 flodeskum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 19:03 Defacer wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if Spades made it to the MLG finals or something? It technically wouldn't prove that he did or didn't hack, but suddenly everyone would jump off the bandwagon.

If the replays discussed in this thread would suddenly disappear at the same time and his performance could be attributed to some sort of super-human insight with no scouting... then yes, some people might believe he wasn't hacking.

Another extremely implausible scenario would be that Spades shows up at MLG with a sponsorship from a hacking site, uses hacks in all his games and asks Startale_Hack to marry him on stage. Even after that I'm pretty sure there would still be people on here claiming we need more evidence.

Marrying STHack would be romantic!
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
June 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#5812
On June 07 2012 19:31 toiletCAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 19:22 Integra wrote:
On June 07 2012 19:03 Defacer wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if Spades made it to the MLG finals or something? It technically wouldn't prove that he did or didn't hack, but suddenly everyone would jump off the bandwagon.

By judging how terrible he played on his stream yesterday he won't make it far, if he even shows up for MLG that is, not to mention one of his real ID friends in SC2 were HRGZack LOL.+ Show Spoiler +
For those that doesn't know who this guy is, please go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342704


See you in the MLG finals, then.


Hah, he has literally 0 chance of making it out of open bracket, hacker or not.

Actually, he has 0 chance of making it out even if he was allowed to hack.
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Akio00
Profile Joined January 2011
United States98 Posts
June 07 2012 10:37 GMT
#5813
On June 07 2012 17:43 Canucklehead wrote:
I bet the op is lucifron. The other thread talking about the op's identity said tl mods know who it is, but won't reveal him. If he was just a no name random spanish poster, they would have no reason to hide his identity, cause no one would give a damn. That leaves it most likely to be lucifron himself and tl doesn't want to cause trouble for him. There's no point in protecting someone no one has never heard of, so the op has to be a known person.



It is incredibly unlikely it was Luci. With all of the work that was put in, he would have gotten way more positive publicity stating it himself. He'd be cheered as a honest player cleaning up the game. I feel Luci has actually hurt his image by not saying anything, in support or against Spades. It almost makes him look like a coward hiding behind somebody else.
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 07 2012 10:40 GMT
#5814
On June 07 2012 19:37 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 19:31 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 07 2012 19:22 Integra wrote:
On June 07 2012 19:03 Defacer wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if Spades made it to the MLG finals or something? It technically wouldn't prove that he did or didn't hack, but suddenly everyone would jump off the bandwagon.

By judging how terrible he played on his stream yesterday he won't make it far, if he even shows up for MLG that is, not to mention one of his real ID friends in SC2 were HRGZack LOL.+ Show Spoiler +
For those that doesn't know who this guy is, please go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342704


See you in the MLG finals, then.


Hah, he has literally 0 chance of making it out of open bracket, hacker or not.

Actually, he has 0 chance of making it out even if he was allowed to hack.


It's also completely irrelevant to the thread, because we've debunked all evidence that suggests he's hacking.
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 07 2012 10:41 GMT
#5815
On June 07 2012 19:37 Akio00 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 17:43 Canucklehead wrote:
I bet the op is lucifron. The other thread talking about the op's identity said tl mods know who it is, but won't reveal him. If he was just a no name random spanish poster, they would have no reason to hide his identity, cause no one would give a damn. That leaves it most likely to be lucifron himself and tl doesn't want to cause trouble for him. There's no point in protecting someone no one has never heard of, so the op has to be a known person.



It is incredibly unlikely it was Luci. With all of the work that was put in, he would have gotten way more positive publicity stating it himself. He'd be cheered as a honest player cleaning up the game. I feel Luci has actually hurt his image by not saying anything, in support or against Spades. It almost makes him look like a coward hiding behind somebody else.


No, because Luci, like everyone else, could not know if he was hacking or not, so not saying anything was the smartest thing to do.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 07 2012 11:00 GMT
#5816
And toiletCAT should be nominated for the troll of the year, 99.9% of his posts has been in threads related to Spades, lol.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
June 07 2012 11:01 GMT
#5817
On June 07 2012 19:40 toiletCAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 19:37 zefreak wrote:
On June 07 2012 19:31 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 07 2012 19:22 Integra wrote:
On June 07 2012 19:03 Defacer wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if Spades made it to the MLG finals or something? It technically wouldn't prove that he did or didn't hack, but suddenly everyone would jump off the bandwagon.

By judging how terrible he played on his stream yesterday he won't make it far, if he even shows up for MLG that is, not to mention one of his real ID friends in SC2 were HRGZack LOL.+ Show Spoiler +
For those that doesn't know who this guy is, please go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342704


See you in the MLG finals, then.


Hah, he has literally 0 chance of making it out of open bracket, hacker or not.

Actually, he has 0 chance of making it out even if he was allowed to hack.


It's also completely irrelevant to the thread, because we've debunked all evidence that suggests he's hacking.

I'm pretty sure,

That you are spades
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
June 07 2012 11:03 GMT
#5818
On June 07 2012 20:00 Integra wrote:
And toiletCAT should be nominated for the troll of the year, 99.9% of his posts has been in threads related to Spades, lol.

His account was made on the 6th and has made 138 posts since then lol. Id love for a mod
To confirm this if they can
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
June 07 2012 11:04 GMT
#5819
On June 07 2012 19:40 toiletCAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 19:37 zefreak wrote:
On June 07 2012 19:31 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 07 2012 19:22 Integra wrote:
On June 07 2012 19:03 Defacer wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if Spades made it to the MLG finals or something? It technically wouldn't prove that he did or didn't hack, but suddenly everyone would jump off the bandwagon.

By judging how terrible he played on his stream yesterday he won't make it far, if he even shows up for MLG that is, not to mention one of his real ID friends in SC2 were HRGZack LOL.+ Show Spoiler +
For those that doesn't know who this guy is, please go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342704


See you in the MLG finals, then.


Hah, he has literally 0 chance of making it out of open bracket, hacker or not.

Actually, he has 0 chance of making it out even if he was allowed to hack.


It's also completely irrelevant to the thread, because we've debunked all evidence that suggests he's hacking.


lol man, have we? Are you Spades or smth?
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 07 2012 11:05 GMT
#5820
On June 07 2012 20:03 MateShade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 20:00 Integra wrote:
And toiletCAT should be nominated for the troll of the year, 99.9% of his posts has been in threads related to Spades, lol.

His account was made on the 6th and has made 138 posts since then lol. Id love for a mod
To confirm this if they can

Holy shit, LOL look at his stats:
Average Posts Per Day 75.55
Average Posts Per Week 528.85
Goddamn!
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