[?] Spades hacking? - Page 24

On June 05 2012 07:14 -UMADIMSTYLIN- wrote:
Everytime I would play Spades on ladder he always freaking knew where my army was and knew exactly where to counter. NEVER scanned anything, this makes a lot fo sense

On June 05 2012 07:13 Artok wrote:

18 posts, another weird account that is just ban baiting. According to you if he doesnt win the showmatch he's a "joke progamer"?

On June 05 2012 07:14 Crowned wrote:
I was watching Spades stream last 2 days and obviously he wouldn't hack while streaming, but you never know what people will do when money is on the line.

On June 05 2012 07:16 MrCash wrote:


Well I just searched the entire thread and didn't see a single actual response about his actions.
Only a post to Illusion with the intention of one.
If you find a post explaining any of it, please link.

On June 05 2012 07:18 Tx3Jorge wrote:


not winning while hacking, yes, pathetic.

On June 05 2012 07:15 TommyP wrote:


Please prove that you have played him.

On June 05 2012 07:09 Nerchio wrote:
I am a bit sleepy so it won't be as detailed as i would like it to be although i will try my best. To start off, i am not a friend of Spades and i don't even know him personally i guess we never even talked. If he hacked i'd be the first person to shout it out and i am glad that this topic turned into some kind of a discussion(but only a few people say reasonable things and only those should speak that saw the replays).

http://drop.sc/191488

Here you got a replay of mine in TvT that i played just a few minutes ago to act a little bit like Spades (pretty much 0 looks at the fog of war , etc.) and some weird action as well with army movement. I could make the scan at some point look even more weird but i didn't have the time to play another TvT(basicly you scan via minimap and after that you look there).

To say a few more words about the Lucifron vs Spades itself. I rather concentrate on the game itself than the camera locks which are really hard to judge for me. Things to note from most of the replays: Spades like a variety of tank/viking/marine openings either 1 or 2 base.
Shattered Temple
This game is not suspicious for me at all, Spades goes double gas before factory which definitely indicates a heavy gas play(in this case a raven) which partially countered cloak banshee of Lucifron.
Antiga Shipyard
I feel like Spades didn't see too much so he decides to play safer and goes for the engineering bay and the 9:30 move with vikings is not weird at all for me since he sent them in the place where the drops usually take place or tank/medivac lift. The rest of the game is standard TvT(remember than to move units around you don't actually need to look into fog of war, you can move them 'screen by screen' or by mini map).
Entombed Valley
OP Suggests that it's the exact same build than antiga, in fact it's not because antiga was a fast expand build and on this map Spades goes for much later expansion which means he has faster viking and doesn't need to go for engineering bay(it's risky i agree but not needed as well) sinc he is on 1 base. The only thing that is suspicious in this game is that he stops Lucifron's push on the right through the small valley. He had marine there before but he moved his army to defend that stop after few seconds which was weird to me but it's not really that big of a deal.
Shakuras Plateau
The 4 scv move was almost the same second as the marine appread which is kinda fast, but we also have to accept that his scv building CC was dieing so taking 4 scv could be a little bit exaggarated play from him. Moving his tanks in the mid game could be just bad play, everybody does such moves from time to time, you can't actually control every single move in the game and be sure that it's safe. 16:20 i don't really think it's watching Lucifron's army move, it rather looks like a bad move with his mouse(he had some problems when he played).
Metalopolis
As i said, Spades like a lot of tank/viking openings so nothing weird happend here, except the moves of his army around 7:30 when Lucifron is dropping hellions into his main. I have to say thought that it's very little to read from to say that he's hacking or anything, could be just indecisive where to put his army. The OP is saying something about scv at the start of the game, he can just fall it back from Lucifrons base by using a hotkey.
Daybreak
Not much to say but standard marine/tank TvT. I'd argument his build from the fact that Daybreak is not a map you see a lot of pushes because coming through your side to another one takes a lot of time so taking risks paysoff.
Tal'darim
There is a lot of points that OP suggests but a lot of them are simply false. I don't understand what he was trying to say because i see Spades making hellions all game long. Also most of the time you don't really want to rush in with your blue flame hellions against 2 base terran(can't harass anyway with their army there). Also why would he go around the map with his hellions if there is nothing to do and drops against mech are very popular? He just kept his army in the main, that's all and there is nothing more to it, controlling the xel'naga would give him time to react. I'd say that the weird moves of his army come from the fact that not many people move into your natural but rather your 3rd. Tell me who would rush in against mech into sieged natural? That's too big risk that's why you'd rather put some tanks in ur 3rd spread in a line.

On June 05 2012 07:17 SimDawg wrote:


He's been accused, he's responded. There's nothing more to this thread except irrational people. I think it's time to lock it, let it here for people to read and make their own conclusions.

On June 05 2012 07:18 Spades wrote:

there was no money on the line, it was just a showmatch for pride.

And another thing, I think its purposely reasonable for people to question players, and to investigate hacking, cheating, and abusing. I just think its pretty stupid, I am instantly labeled a hacker because some 1 post decided to label me one, everyone jumped on the bandwagon, without clear proof or anything.

On June 05 2012 07:18 Gheed wrote:
Oh, by the way the tool who posted this on reddit condemned Spades as having been "officially" caught maphacking. Then, when someone suggested he changes the title, he called him a "stupid chink," and then another person a "retard." (http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ukokn/spades_officially_outed_as_first_sc2_pro_caught/c4w8mes?context=3)

My disdain for the SC2 community has been reaffirmed. We've let a person with 1 post on TL and a random reddit troll shit all over someone's career. Good show everyone.

On June 05 2012 07:18 Spades wrote:

there was no money on the line, it was just a showmatch for pride.

And another thing, I think its purposely reasonable for people to question players, and to investigate hacking, cheating, and abusing. I just think its pretty stupid, I am instantly labeled a hacker because some 1 post decided to label me one, everyone jumped on the bandwagon, without clear proof or anything.

On June 05 2012 06:40 PanN wrote:


Just saying its incredibly stupid of him to just say I'll retire soon. Obviously evidence is important here, are you intoxicated? I never said it wasn't. It's the most important thing here.

I'm simply saying its stupid of him to cop out and retire because of accusations, a few posts directly after he says he wants to make this his career.

On June 05 2012 07:19 -UMADIMSTYLIN- wrote:


I don't have the replays this was a long time ago. What difference would my replay make if I did have it, just look at the topic replay lol