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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
June 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#441
I was watching Spades stream last 2 days and obviously he wouldn't hack while streaming, but you never know what people will do when money is on the line.
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 22:15:31
June 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#442
The whole trend of maphacking just sucks. It's so much cheaper to run an tourney online but the more we see of it the less legitimate they become.


It's not exactly practical but players could in theory play with a webcam pointed at their monitor. Just recording so they have evidence from the game. For a big online tournament with a big prize it might be smart.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
June 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#443
On June 05 2012 07:14 -UMADIMSTYLIN- wrote:
Everytime I would play Spades on ladder he always freaking knew where my army was and knew exactly where to counter. NEVER scanned anything, this makes a lot fo sense

Dude, replay or gtfo
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#444
--- Nuked ---
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
June 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#445
Well I'm sure spades has lost a few fans unfortunately even if its not true

however, nerchio has sure gained my respect and i am definitely a fan of him now. he's so level headed and doesn't jump to conclusions, love it!
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#446
On June 05 2012 07:14 -UMADIMSTYLIN- wrote:
Everytime I would play Spades on ladder he always freaking knew where my army was and knew exactly where to counter. NEVER scanned anything, this makes a lot fo sense


Please prove that you have played him.
#TheOneTrueDong
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
June 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#447
Is this is the same spades in BW?
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
June 04 2012 22:15 GMT
#448
an old quote from the old Hackers Caught thread:

On April 21 2008 00:46 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Getting caught hacking once deserves a life ban from all competitive events.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911&currentpage=5
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#449
On June 05 2012 07:15 LgNKane wrote:
Well I'm sure spades has lost a few fans unfortunately even if its not true

however, nerchio has sure gained my respect and i am definitely a fan of him now. he's so level headed and doesn't jump to conclusions, love it!


You werent a fan of Nerchio already?????? Hes the best.
#TheOneTrueDong
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 22:16:41
June 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#450
On June 05 2012 07:12 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:11 MrCash wrote:
On June 05 2012 07:07 Spades wrote:
I have a team, I have sponsors. My career is basically crippled now, even if completely absolved. The OP was out for my blood, and this is how easy it is to destroy someones career. It's impossible for someone to find proof i hacked, because I didn't. It's all circumstantial nonsense, that can't be proven either way. If you want to find suspicious actions, just turn on first person view for anyone in any game and you will find some. I'm being screwed over by this fact, and I hope someone finds an actual foolproof method to detect hacks so this is avoided for others in the future.

So how do i recover something like this? I would know to know how.


I've been somewhat defensive of your perspective so far, but if you are taking the time to respond with idle statements and not even trying to defend/justify your in game actions, I don't see why anyone else should stand behind you.


He has in previous pages.


Well I just searched the entire thread and didn't see a single actual response about his actions.
Only a post to Illusion with the intention of one.
If you find a post explaining any of it, please link.
Gardel
Profile Joined April 2011
Mexico220 Posts
June 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#451
Please, TeamLiquid close this thread, it will only generate more hate, there is nothing more to discuss here, Spades situation should be handled privately.
"And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." Abraham Lincoln.
Slikk
Profile Joined August 2008
Norway81 Posts
June 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#452
This is so unfortunate.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
June 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#453
On June 05 2012 07:10 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:07 Spades wrote:
I have a team, I have sponsors. My career is basically crippled now, even if completely absolved. The OP was out for my blood, and this is how easy it is to destroy someones career. It's impossible for someone to find proof i hacked, because I didn't. It's all circumstantial nonsense, that can't be proven either way. If you want to find suspicious actions, just turn on first person view for anyone in any game and you will find some. I'm being screwed over by this fact, and I hope someone finds an actual foolproof method to detect hacks so this is avoided for others in the future.

So how do i recover something like this? I would know to know how.


If I was in your position, I would go to my replay map, put all my replays in a rar file, and upload it immediately.

Yer that's what every pro person wants to do, especially those maybe not to successful, make all your builds availeble to your opponents.

Having had nothing to do, I skimmed over the other 3 replays and I see nothing really unusual about them. Kind of feel it's shameful that there's so little evidence needed to uproar everyone...
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
June 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#454
On June 05 2012 07:14 JackDT wrote:
It's not exactly practical but players could in theory play with a webcam pointed at their monitor. Just recording so they have evidence from the game. For a big online tournament with a big prize it might be smart.


Why wouldn't you just stream on private stream to be recorded ? or record fpvod in some other way
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
June 04 2012 22:16 GMT
#455
On June 05 2012 07:14 -UMADIMSTYLIN- wrote:
Everytime I would play Spades on ladder he always freaking knew where my army was and knew exactly where to counter. NEVER scanned anything, this makes a lot fo sense

now thats some serious proof, coming from a guy with such an intelligent name, I bet you're 100% right! What about you share those replays and let's all see how hard he hacks.
Chun-li since ST
rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
June 04 2012 22:17 GMT
#456
Edited my original post in this thread on page 9 with

edit: It has come to my attention that some info in this is incorrect, as you need to double click, so this is no longer proof but more circumstantial evidence, as the double click is possible, but, in my opinion, highly unlikely to have movement in it.

Hello, I decided to watch these games with the intention of finding one non-circumstantial piece of evidence to show if map hacks were being used in order to try and bring some certainty to this situation, as no matter how much circumstantial evidence there is, one cannot use it to convict someone comfortably. I believe I have found some non-circumstantial proof when watching the first replay.

To see this in the replay most clearly, slow the speed right down.

When a terran places a scan using the minimap it will take his camera instantly to that position with the scan circle centred on the screen.

At 6:23 of game 1 on Antigua Shipyard, when Spades scans Lucifron's base his camera jumps to where the scan is, but the scan is off-center but to the top part of the screen. The only way this is possible is if he was already looking at this area and placed the scan manually not using the mini map and did not click the center of the screen. The only way this was possible is if the screen was locked on his base while he was looking at the fog. You can see in the replay that the screen moved instantly when he scanned to the off center position from his main.

For completeness, at 13:16 in the same game is an example of Lucifron scanning the center of the map using the mini-map. His screen jumps straight to the scan and the scan is exactly central to the screen (where he clicked on the mini-map).

I believe this shows conculsive proof that Spades' screen was locked while viewing Lucifron's base and was therefore using a maphack.
jaebigdong
Profile Joined January 2011
87 Posts
June 04 2012 22:17 GMT
#457
this is really disappointing. i wanted to forgive spades and give him another chance in sc2.

once a hacker, always a hacker?
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
June 04 2012 22:17 GMT
#458
On June 05 2012 07:15 Shana wrote:
Is this is the same spades in BW?

Yes, he already hacked in BW.
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
June 04 2012 22:17 GMT
#459
On June 05 2012 07:16 Gardel wrote:
Please, TeamLiquid close this thread, it will only generate more hate, there is nothing more to discuss here, Spades situation should be handled privately.


He's been accused, he's responded. There's nothing more to this thread except irrational people. I think it's time to lock it, let it here for people to read and make their own conclusions.
14fighter
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States226 Posts
June 04 2012 22:17 GMT
#460
I don't think he's hacking.
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