The Championship Pools for the MLG Spring Championship are made up of the Top 4 finishers from Arena 1 and the Top 12 finishers from Arena 2. In the event that an Arena 2 Top 12 player already qualified by coming in Top 4 in Arena 1, their place was taken by the next highest qualifying Arena 2 player. A player's Arena 2 performance took precedence over their Arena 1 performance. Therefore, the 16 players who will be starting the Spring Championship in Pool Play are:
The winner of each Pool will move on to the Championship Winners Semifinals, where the winner of Pool A will play the winner of Pool D, and the winner of Pool B will play the winner of Pool C.
The full list of Open Bracket competitors will be announced on Tuesday.
Provided no absolute monster comes through the open bracket, its entirely possible stephano gets 1st in his group, grubby looks utterly screwed, and depending on if we get the "I'm going to smash the shit out of code S players" Socke or the "Well I'm not going to win a game in pool play" socke he could do mildly well ( I doubt 1st but who knows)
On June 02 2012 03:19 MLGAnnouncements wrote: Sorry for the confusion, the pools have been updated. The players from Pool C have been switched to Pool D and vice versa.
Damn it, you destroyed the poll!
On June 02 2012 03:08 amazingoopah wrote: every pool has some killer matchups... polt vs stephano, MC vs DRG, symbol vs MKP....
Group D is so much of a group of death! every other group I see the two winners EASILY, but group D is full of upset potential. + it has DRG and MC! I'd say the second closest one would be Group A, because even though it'll probably be Violet and Leenock, Ryung could beat Violet for that spot.
I'm pretty sure MLG set up Polt vs Stephano and MC vs DRG deliberately in the pools (No complaining )
My thoughts on pools
A:I think Violet should take his pool pretty easily, but I think Inori and Ryung could pull upsets, and Leenock is capable of beating all the players in his pool. B:Grubby got the worst pool possible, again. MKP could take first place, but Symbol is playing amazing recently and has beaten MKP 3-0, so I expect Symbol to take first. C:I'm torn between either Stephano or Polt taking first in their pools, but I suspect Stephano could take first, because Polt has lost to Ganzi quite often, and Stephano and Polt could go either way. D:Hmmm, I actually think this is one of the harder groups to predicts, mainly because all the players are capable of taking games off each other. Based on recent accomplishments, MC probably will take first, but Heart and DRG could as well.
Recently, the open brackets have been more interesting as you mostly get to see the same names in pool play. I hope the coverage of the open bracket will be improved this time. As for pool play: Go Socke!
Pretty much as good a pool as Stephano could ask for. He should win against Alicia and Ganzi. Polt will be very tough and is probably a tossup, but he can win.
some good matches coming up. Looking forward to these, looks like we'll have a pretty Korean heavy group of finishers though; I have a hard time imagining Socke or Grubby winning their pools and Stephano would still have to play his absolute best to get out in 1st.
I feel like MLG is becoming more like GSL with the super powered koreans getting "seeds" an only a couple foreigners barely qualifying for one. I enjoyed it alot more when there were maybe a few koreans in group play while all the others were in brackets though that's just me :/ I would rather see more foreigners get through the polar opposite of the GSL but oh well guess that won't be happening any time soon :/
On June 02 2012 04:54 Catatonic wrote: I feel like MLG is becoming more like GSL with the super powered koreans getting "seeds" an only a couple foreigners barely qualifying for one. I enjoyed it alot more when there were maybe a few koreans in group play while all the others were in brackets though that's just me :/ I would rather see more foreigners get through the polar opposite of the GSL but oh well guess that won't be happening any time soon :/
Not a single player was given a subjective seed. Every pool spot was earned through online qualifers then Arena placement.
On June 02 2012 04:54 Catatonic wrote: I feel like MLG is becoming more like GSL with the super powered koreans getting "seeds" an only a couple foreigners barely qualifying for one. I enjoyed it alot more when there were maybe a few koreans in group play while all the others were in brackets though that's just me :/ I would rather see more foreigners get through the polar opposite of the GSL but oh well guess that won't be happening any time soon :/
Not a single player was given a subjective seed. Every pool spot was earned through online qualifers then Arena placement.
I wasn't trying to imply it was subjective in any way so if it sounded that way I apologize ffor my misuse o words :/. All I was really trying to say is I'd like to see more foreigners get through/win is all
It's actually a wierd/different pool that I am used to see. Normally there are a bunch of Koreans and a few Americans, but now it's like even more Koreans and very few Europeans. There are actually no Americans at all in these pools. o.o
Stephano vs Polt <3 It's been a while since they met now actually, I wonder which one has gotten the better during this downtime. Polt TvZ has changed a ton so it's definitly gonna be interessing.
On the SC2 broadcast details post it mentions that SC2 will be on the main stage, but the LoL broadcast details say the same thing. How is that going to work? They aren't sharing the main stage or something, right?
Good for Socke for qualifying! He's been on SUCH a tear lately. It's gonna be one hell of a tough group but givin his fantastic championship bracket run at MLG Winter, and his great performance at Dreamhack Stockholm I've got faith he'll pull off at least one upset this tournament.
On June 02 2012 04:54 Catatonic wrote: I feel like MLG is becoming more like GSL with the super powered koreans getting "seeds" an only a couple foreigners barely qualifying for one. I enjoyed it alot more when there were maybe a few koreans in group play while all the others were in brackets though that's just me :/ I would rather see more foreigners get through the polar opposite of the GSL but oh well guess that won't be happening any time soon :/
Not a single player was given a subjective seed. Every pool spot was earned through online qualifers then Arena placement.
I wasn't trying to imply it was subjective in any way so if it sounded that way I apologize ffor my misuse o words :/. All I was really trying to say is I'd like to see more foreigners get through/win is all
So basically what you are saying is you are annoyed that Koreans are so much better than foreigners?
On June 02 2012 05:23 zanga wrote: Spreading out every little small piece of news in a thread of its own is very annoying in my humble opinion..............
Think this will be the first time when Koreans outnumber foriegners in MLG Pool Play. That's not a bad thing, just interesting.
Glad that Grubby has earned himself a shot at redemption for the Winter Championship. Long as he upsets at least one Korean (as usual <3 ) I will be very pleased.
The full list of Open Bracket competitors will be announced on Tuesday.
My sources. Where are yours?
As far as I'm aware, neither MMA nor Oz are confirmed for Anaheim. It's reasonable to assume the usual suspects will be there (lots of Liquid and EG guys, etc), but there isn't any word on who else is going to be there. Could MMA and Oz show up? Sure. Is there any reason to believe they are "far and away the strongest players in the open bracket?" Absolutely not.
On June 02 2012 05:33 DeadBull wrote: OMG, why do people not understand that B is the group of death??
Because all the players in the pools are SO freaking good.
I voted A for group of Death though was very tempted by D... and also C... Though normally any group with MKP and Symbol would indeed be the group of death.
On June 02 2012 05:38 TheDougler wrote: Think this will be the first time when Koreans outnumber foriegners in MLG Pool Play. That's not a bad thing, just interesting.
Glad that Grubby has earned himself a shot at redemption for the Winter Championship. Long as he upsets at least one Korean (as usual <3 ) I will be very pleased.
On June 02 2012 03:11 FakeDeath wrote: Poor Grubby.
Unfortunately...
Stephano got probably the best opponents he could wish for, I don't think he is afraid of Polt anymore. MC shouldn't have trouble making it out. High chance we'll see MC vs. Stephano finals again...: ) or Stephano vs. Symbol.
This MLG will be by far the most competitive overall, you guys will be surprised when the open bracket list is released. I feel sorry for us Open bracket players, especially knowing who is coming .
Wow, groups are looking more and more like code S groups, lol. Really want all of group B and D to advance T_T. Hope Dream can make a good showing regardless of his group results. Should make for some great games all around though.
Wow, 13/16 Korean. I still have the association in my mind that MLG is mostly a foreigner stage with Koreans sprinkled in. Not saying this is bad, just surprised how quickly things have changed.
Seriously, i just looked at the groups and asked myself "Is this GSL ?".
Well, there is still some foreigners, but you get the idea. Hoping for an upset (though Stephano's wins over Koreans aren't such an upset, but rather a good performance).
With the Pools set, we're now able to tell you which Pool Play matches have been set to broadcast on Friday, June 8 at the Spring Championship.
Friday's Pool Play matches will be mainly aired on the Red Stream and Premium 1. The Blue Stream will be airing mainly matches from the USA Nationals of the WCS, and Premium 2 will be airing mainly matches from the Open Bracket of the Spring Championship. Please see the full schedules for all streams to see all the information about those streams.
Remember: to get all the streams in ad-free HD, and access the two Premium streams, you'll need to use your Spring Season Pass, Gold Membership, or buy a Spring Championship Live Streaming Pass now.
Here is the updated schedule for Friday Pool Play:
On June 02 2012 07:20 MLGAnnouncements wrote: With the Pools set, we're now able to tell you which Pool Play matches have been set to broadcast on Friday, June 8 at the Spring Championship.
Friday's Pool Play matches will be mainly aired on the Red Stream and Premium 1. The Blue Stream will be airing mainly matches from the USA Nationals of the WCS, and Premium 2 will be airing mainly matches from the Open Bracket of the Spring Championship. Please see the full schedules for all streams to see all the information about those streams.
Remember: to get all the streams in ad-free HD, and access the two Premium streams, you'll need to use your Spring Season Pass, Gold Membership, or buy a Spring Championship Live Streaming Pass now.
Here is the updated schedule for Friday Pool Play:
I'm already drooling over those first three on Stream A
How does this format work? OK Four groups of four. Only the Group winners advance but what about 2nd placed in the Groups? Are they out or drop into losers Bracker? Is there Double Elimination? Where does the Open Bracket come into it? Extended Series? Can someone shed some light on this for me?
On June 02 2012 03:30 Fionn wrote: Now we just wonder if MLG will kick off with DRG/MC or Polt/Stephano.
Probably Stephano/ Polt thats a pretty hot rivalry
DRG/MC has gotten pretty hot lately too, theyve played each other last too MLGs and they have 3 GSLs between them both and DRG is the best zerg and MC is Boss Toss soo idk.
On June 02 2012 07:28 revel8 wrote: How does this format work? OK Four groups of four. Only the Group winners advance but what about 2nd placed in the Groups? Are they out or drop into losers Bracker? Is there Double Elimination? Where does the Open Bracket come into it? Extended Series? Can someone shed some light on this for me?
Last 8 in Open Winners Bracket advance into Pool Play Last 8 in Open Losers Bracket advance into Championship Losers Bracket Round 1
Pool Play 1st Place = Championship Winners Semifinals (A Winner vs. D Winner & B Winner vs. C Winner) 2nd Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 6 3rd Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 5 4th Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 4 5th Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 3 6th Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 2
On June 02 2012 07:20 MLGAnnouncements wrote: With the Pools set, we're now able to tell you which Pool Play matches have been set to broadcast on Friday, June 8 at the Spring Championship.
Friday's Pool Play matches will be mainly aired on the Red Stream and Premium 1. The Blue Stream will be airing mainly matches from the USA Nationals of the WCS, and Premium 2 will be airing mainly matches from the Open Bracket of the Spring Championship. Please see the full schedules for all streams to see all the information about those streams.
Remember: to get all the streams in ad-free HD, and access the two Premium streams, you'll need to use your Spring Season Pass, Gold Membership, or buy a Spring Championship Live Streaming Pass now.
Here is the updated schedule for Friday Pool Play:
Wait, that basically means that half of the pool matches on Friday will be played offstream? On top of that, Socke for example plays one streamed game on a premium stream.
That means he gets near to no exposure in the beginning of a tournament that is stacked to no end (relatively low chance of big price money), especially in the main target group of his team (Germany/EU).
Props to Alternate for sending Socke there and him actually attending. From a financial standpoint, there are not many arguments for doing that.
Is MLG covering the travel expenses of the seeded players?
On June 02 2012 07:20 MLGAnnouncements wrote: With the Pools set, we're now able to tell you which Pool Play matches have been set to broadcast on Friday, June 8 at the Spring Championship.
Friday's Pool Play matches will be mainly aired on the Red Stream and Premium 1. The Blue Stream will be airing mainly matches from the USA Nationals of the WCS, and Premium 2 will be airing mainly matches from the Open Bracket of the Spring Championship. Please see the full schedules for all streams to see all the information about those streams.
Remember: to get all the streams in ad-free HD, and access the two Premium streams, you'll need to use your Spring Season Pass, Gold Membership, or buy a Spring Championship Live Streaming Pass now.
Here is the updated schedule for Friday Pool Play:
Wait, that basically means that half of the pool matches on Friday will be played offstream? On top of that, Socke for example plays one streamed game on a premium stream.
That means he gets near to no exposure in the beginning of a tournament that is stacked to no end (relatively low chance of big price money), especially in the main target group of his team (Germany/EU).
Props to Alternate for sending Socke there and him actually attending. From a financial standpoint, there are not many arguments for doing that.
Is MLG covering the travel expenses of the seeded players?
MLG pays for everyone in the pool play. So Alternate isn't paying anything this time around. But they have sent him to MLGs before. And they can't cast as many pool play games because of the NA WCS.
On June 02 2012 07:20 MLGAnnouncements wrote: With the Pools set, we're now able to tell you which Pool Play matches have been set to broadcast on Friday, June 8 at the Spring Championship.
Friday's Pool Play matches will be mainly aired on the Red Stream and Premium 1. The Blue Stream will be airing mainly matches from the USA Nationals of the WCS, and Premium 2 will be airing mainly matches from the Open Bracket of the Spring Championship. Please see the full schedules for all streams to see all the information about those streams.
Remember: to get all the streams in ad-free HD, and access the two Premium streams, you'll need to use your Spring Season Pass, Gold Membership, or buy a Spring Championship Live Streaming Pass now.
Here is the updated schedule for Friday Pool Play:
The schedule allows for 30 mins for Polt vs Stephano bo3? I would expect it to take longer than that but who knows.
On June 02 2012 07:20 MLGAnnouncements wrote: With the Pools set, we're now able to tell you which Pool Play matches have been set to broadcast on Friday, June 8 at the Spring Championship.
Friday's Pool Play matches will be mainly aired on the Red Stream and Premium 1. The Blue Stream will be airing mainly matches from the USA Nationals of the WCS, and Premium 2 will be airing mainly matches from the Open Bracket of the Spring Championship. Please see the full schedules for all streams to see all the information about those streams.
Remember: to get all the streams in ad-free HD, and access the two Premium streams, you'll need to use your Spring Season Pass, Gold Membership, or buy a Spring Championship Live Streaming Pass now.
Here is the updated schedule for Friday Pool Play:
Wait, that basically means that half of the pool matches on Friday will be played offstream? On top of that, Socke for example plays one streamed game on a premium stream.
That means he gets near to no exposure in the beginning of a tournament that is stacked to no end (relatively low chance of big price money), especially in the main target group of his team (Germany/EU).
Props to Alternate for sending Socke there and him actually attending. From a financial standpoint, there are not many arguments for doing that.
Is MLG covering the travel expenses of the seeded players?
MLG pays for everyone in the pool play. So Alternate isn't paying anything this time around. But they have sent him to MLGs before. And they can't cast as many pool play games because of the NA WCS.
OK, thx for the info. That makes it a little bit more logical.
MC and DRG seems to meet every MLG lately... The score keeps going back and forth... I'm a bit afraid for DRG, honestly. MC is so good at defending multiprong attacks
Extended series? I thought we were done with that, or was its removal a one off? -_- Stephano vs Polt will be awesome as always, there are great matches all over the place here.
On June 02 2012 08:11 MCDayC wrote: Extended series? I thought we were done with that, or was its removal a one off? -_- Stephano vs Polt will be awesome as always, there are great matches all over the place here.
nope, just a one-of
If/when MKP advances #1 in his pool, he should take out the top of pool C as it is quite easily, securing top 3. GOGO MKP~
Symbol + MarineKing + Parting are enough to make people scream "Group of Death" for GSL Code S, but replace Parting with a foreigner, and the Symbol + MarineKing group gets no love.
Personally, I don't think there IS a group of death in either these groups or the GSL groups: all the groups have great players interspersed about as well as you could hope.
On June 02 2012 07:28 revel8 wrote: How does this format work? OK Four groups of four. Only the Group winners advance but what about 2nd placed in the Groups? Are they out or drop into losers Bracker? Is there Double Elimination? Where does the Open Bracket come into it? Extended Series? Can someone shed some light on this for me?
Last 8 in Open Winners Bracket advance into Pool Play Last 8 in Open Losers Bracket advance into Championship Losers Bracket Round 1
Pool Play 1st Place = Championship Winners Semifinals (A Winner vs. D Winner & B Winner vs. C Winner) 2nd Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 6 3rd Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 5 4th Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 4 5th Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 3 6th Place = Championship Losers Bracket Round 2
Extended Series = Yes
OK thanks, John. I understand how it works now! Should be a really exciting Tournament!
I was honestly a little upset to hear that MKP wouldn't be at Spring Arena 2. Haven't seen him at a tourney either since up & downs and I gotta say I'm having withdrawal symptoms... Glad to see he's been seeded for this event :D
/sigh premium streams once again... might be no chance to watch grubby play as MLG will probably use him as a draw to get people to buy passes to see it.. we'll get screwed out of good games just like winter championship or some stuff like that will probably happen again. sad really .
On June 02 2012 08:42 Random_Guy09 wrote: /sigh premium streams once again... might be no chance to watch grubby play as MLG will probably use him as a draw to get people to buy passes to see it.. we'll get screwed out of good games just like winter championship or some stuff like that will probably happen again. sad really .
From looking at these groups I'm predicting a real tough tournament for toss. Could easily see not a single one getting out of the groups. Just SO many top Zergs here, jesus. Only Nestea is really missing from the top tier.
Why exactly does Pool D have more votes than Pool C?
Seems to me like Stephano/Polt/Alicia/GanZi group will be WAY MORE tougher than MC/DRG/Heart/Socke.
The group D is going to be simply murderous with that group of players. DRG still my pick for the best Zerg in the world, MC with his win in RedBullBattlegrounds(wasn't that great, but Parting and Squirtle were there, the other 2 of the top 3 Tosses) on top of the Protoss scene, Heart played some great series last winter and is still a really nice player, and Socke who will probably get smashed, but has some nice potential. I'll be more impressed with Stephano when he actually wins something with so many Koreans in it. He has failed to do so as of yet.
Why exactly does Pool D have more votes than Pool C?
Seems to me like Stephano/Polt/Alicia/GanZi group will be WAY MORE tougher than MC/DRG/Heart/Socke.
The group D is going to be simply murderous with that group of players. DRG still my pick for the best Zerg in the world, MC with his win in RedBullBattlegrounds(wasn't that great, but Parting and Squirtle were there, the other 2 of the top 3 Tosses) on top of the Protoss scene, Heart played some great series last winter and is still a really nice player, and Socke who will probably get smashed, but has some nice potential. I'll be more impressed with Stephano when he actually wins something with so many Koreans in it. He has failed to do so as of yet.
Why exactly does Pool D have more votes than Pool C?
Seems to me like Stephano/Polt/Alicia/GanZi group will be WAY MORE tougher than MC/DRG/Heart/Socke.
The group D is going to be simply murderous with that group of players. DRG still my pick for the best Zerg in the world, MC with his win in RedBullBattlegrounds(wasn't that great, but Parting and Squirtle were there, the other 2 of the top 3 Tosses) on top of the Protoss scene, Heart played some great series last winter and is still a really nice player, and Socke who will probably get smashed, but has some nice potential. I'll be more impressed with Stephano when he actually wins something with so many Koreans in it. He has failed to do so as of yet.
I think he was referring to an event that has as many Koreans as the GSL. I mean yeah, IPL 3 had a lot of Koreans but not like 75 - 80% Koreans. And if you look at all the other tournaments Stephano has won, the majority were not Koreans.
Why exactly does Pool D have more votes than Pool C?
Seems to me like Stephano/Polt/Alicia/GanZi group will be WAY MORE tougher than MC/DRG/Heart/Socke.
The group D is going to be simply murderous with that group of players. DRG still my pick for the best Zerg in the world, MC with his win in RedBullBattlegrounds(wasn't that great, but Parting and Squirtle were there, the other 2 of the top 3 Tosses) on top of the Protoss scene, Heart played some great series last winter and is still a really nice player, and Socke who will probably get smashed, but has some nice potential. I'll be more impressed with Stephano when he actually wins something with so many Koreans in it. He has failed to do so as of yet.
I think he was referring to an event that has as many Koreans as the GSL. I mean yeah, IPL 3 had a lot of Koreans but not like 75 - 80% Koreans. And if you look at all the other tournaments Stephano has won, the majority were not Koreans.
1 foreigner vs 80% koreans, not a fair measure though. I mean what does that guy need to be convinced of ? How many more games does Stephano need to win to prove what excactly ?
Why exactly does Pool D have more votes than Pool C?
Seems to me like Stephano/Polt/Alicia/GanZi group will be WAY MORE tougher than MC/DRG/Heart/Socke.
The group D is going to be simply murderous with that group of players. DRG still my pick for the best Zerg in the world, MC with his win in RedBullBattlegrounds(wasn't that great, but Parting and Squirtle were there, the other 2 of the top 3 Tosses) on top of the Protoss scene, Heart played some great series last winter and is still a really nice player, and Socke who will probably get smashed, but has some nice potential. I'll be more impressed with Stephano when he actually wins something with so many Koreans in it. He has failed to do so as of yet.
I think he was referring to an event that has as many Koreans as the GSL. I mean yeah, IPL 3 had a lot of Koreans but not like 75 - 80% Koreans. And if you look at all the other tournaments Stephano has won, the majority were not Koreans.
1 foreigner vs 80% koreans, not a fair measure though. I mean what does that guy need to be convinced of ? How many more games does Stephano need to win to prove what excactly ?
My favorite part is when he cites RBB to back his claim with MC but conveniently forgets that Stephano wiped the floor with every korean he faced (including parting and squirtle) there with the exception of MC where he lost a very close 3-2 series. o_O
No real group of death imo. Every group seems pretty balanced, with two players being favorited, but the other two definately having a chance to upset.
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Should be good groups, but I'm more interested to see who makes deep runs through the open bracket, and of course the BW pro tournament. Either way, it'll be a fun weekend, but if you guys could have waited just one more weekend, I'd be in the US and able to watch it live without destroying my sleep schedule!
I don't like, that they have the WCS USA Nationals and the KeSPA tourney at the same MLG event without increasing the number of streams, so we see so much less of the actual MLG event with such an awesome lineup :-/
Socke, Grubby and Stephano as the only non koreans in the pools. I think NA has definately fallen off now as it seems. There are just no results from NA players anymore. Europe has still a huge pool of strong players who can beat GSL calibre players on a good day. NA needs to step it up!
On June 02 2012 20:00 TeeTS wrote: Socke, Grubby and Stephano as the only non koreans in the pools. I think NA has definately fallen off now as it seems. There are just no results from NA players anymore. Europe has still a huge pool of strong players who can beat GSL calibre players on a good day. NA needs to step it up!
I don't think it's going to happen until HoTS. People are all playing D3 in NA these days.
I think this is the first time I've really looked at a major tournament where I expected to see a decent split between foreigners and Koreans (just because it's kind of been that way at MLGs) and I see that the Koreans have officially taken over. Just my personal expectation though.
Kinda makes me a little sad, but obviously it's justified.
Pool C has all 4 players closest in ability level, but Pool D has three absolute terrors (and Socke). So if Group of Death = closest games/ hardest to predict, then C. If GoD = highest level of play, then D.
On June 02 2012 20:16 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Socke gonna surprise everyone again I bet.
But by now it shouldn't really be a surprise.
Depends who he plays. From watching, he seems to rely on all-ins a lot. Works against some players, not against others.
Then you didn´t have seen enough games from him. One of Sockes greatest strengths are the plethora of builds he can execute, which gives him a good versatility and make him hard to predict. He is for example definitely capable of playing macro games. I would say that in a played out Bo3 at least one of his matches is normally macro orientated.
He does have a lot of timing attacks in his repertoire. The most of them are not real All-Ins, though, because they have mostly a transition out of it.
On June 02 2012 20:16 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Socke gonna surprise everyone again I bet.
But by now it shouldn't really be a surprise.
Depends who he plays. From watching, he seems to rely on all-ins a lot. Works against some players, not against others.
Then you didn´t have seen enough games from him. One of Sockes greatest strengths are the plethora of builds he can execute, which gives him a good versatility and make him hard to predict. He is for example definitely capable of playing macro games. I would say that in a played out Bo3 at least one of his matches is normally macro orientated.
He does have a lot of timing attacks in his repertoire. The most of them are not real All-Ins, though, because they have mostly a transition out of it.
I'm not sure why people think "he relies on all-ins" = "he's bad." Socke is obviously good enough to take games off of good players. I have yet to see him prove himself in a macro game against a top tier S-class Korean. Hopefully he does well at MLG.
On June 02 2012 20:16 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Socke gonna surprise everyone again I bet.
But by now it shouldn't really be a surprise.
Depends who he plays. From watching, he seems to rely on all-ins a lot. Works against some players, not against others.
Then you didn´t have seen enough games from him. One of Sockes greatest strengths are the plethora of builds he can execute, which gives him a good versatility and make him hard to predict. He is for example definitely capable of playing macro games. I would say that in a played out Bo3 at least one of his matches is normally macro orientated.
He does have a lot of timing attacks in his repertoire. The most of them are not real All-Ins, though, because they have mostly a transition out of it.
I'm not sure why people think "he relies on all-ins" = "he's bad." Socke is obviously good enough to take games off of good players. I have yet to see him prove himself in a macro game against a top tier S-class Korean. Hopefully he does well at MLG.
where did he say "he relies on all-ins" = "he's bad."? All he said is you haven't seen enough of Socke if what you believe he relies on all-ins a lot. And I agree with him.
On June 02 2012 20:00 TeeTS wrote: Socke, Grubby and Stephano as the only non koreans in the pools. I think NA has definately fallen off now as it seems. There are just no results from NA players anymore. Europe has still a huge pool of strong players who can beat GSL calibre players on a good day. NA needs to step it up!
I don't think it's going to happen until HoTS. People are all playing D3 in NA these days.
NA qualifiers are flooded with koreans which are better than EU players whereas EU qualifier is almost COMPLETELY absent of koreans.
NA has great players but they have harder qualifiers.
this is missing MMA and boxer haha ;_; but ryung and alicia yay! (and even ganzi even tho he's not in slayers anymore =O)
Wow, so many epic players!
Pool C -- fuck! I want them all to advance xD but i guess this means I'll have at least 1 player I really like in the semi-finals, meaning there is a 50% chance there is someone I really like in the finals! :D
Leenock or Ryung from Pool A please
Pool B -- meh don't really like any of them, MKP I guess
Anyway, Group C by far the hardest.. Polt Stephano then two other good Koreans.. Qualifiers should be: A(Violet and Leenock) B(MKP and gogo Grubby!), C(Polt and Stephano) D(MC and DRG)..
How come I am the only one who thinks Group A is pretty stacked?
Leenock - Rampaged last season Violet- Has been rampaging. Ryung - Just about as good as Ganzi Inori - Probably weakest of group but as good as Alicia imo.
Hi, I'm new to posting on TL. I usually just read and so never made an account before. I just made this account and so I can't create a new thread. I wanted to make a thread about contacting media angencies to raise public awareness (outside of the SC community) of MLG Anaheim. Timing is very crucial so I can't wait 3 days. Could someone create a thread for me and just copy the following into it? The thread should be titled something like "Email to Raise Awareness of MLG (or e-Sports)".
I posted this in General Discussion and got no replies. I'm hoping I get better reception here. If no one responds I won't be able to make a thread until Tuesday night.
I am hoping that the community can pull together to create some attention for the upcoming MLG in Anaheim. I know, this is a very last minute effort, but I think it is worth trying. We should contact various media angencies to get their attention of this event. We could do it via email, facebook, twitter, or whatever.
First, here are some actual media releases that I did find related to MLG.
So, a comment on the press release. We would like an actual story and airtime on TV for MLG. So I think this is worth doing even though there is a press release.
Next, I'll list some things that are worth mentioning. Details about MLG I'm getting from the press release.
- Money Talks. Starcraft 2 Prize pool is worth 76K with 25K for first place. - Prove it is professional. Mention CBS Interactive acquiring advertising rights. Mention that players are on professional teams, salaried, and have big sponsors. Mention the press release. - Stress that it is international. There are players competing from different continents. - Mention the fact that it is something mainly distributed online. Media loves stories about the internet and a changing society. - Mention any top players that are really young (like Leenock/Maru) and will be playing at MLG. Media loves this kind of stuff. For example, the story of the 6 year old at a spelling bee. - Mention date and location. Other than the national news giants, the others I have selected because they are close to Anaheim.
Next, some companies to contact. I searched their sites for "MLG," and most have nothing except where noted.
-MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339/ This has the most current info with the 3 articles listed above. Nothing really deserving of the title "story".
-CNN They have two feedbacks that are titled "News Tip" or "Story Idea". I'm not sure which is most appropriate. I leave to you to decide.
-Marketplace from American Public Media This is actually a national public radio show about business news that I like to listen to once in a while. They sometimes run stories about niche business news. When contacting them some history of the business side of eSports may catch their interest. Maybe focus on the online distribution? Best part, is they are located in LA so they should be able to send someone over on short notice if they are interested.
They often do bits where they interview people at conventions/events. Sometimes the fans are the butt of the jokes. It's up to you to decide if they are worth contacting. Personally, I think it would be kind of cool to see MLG on one of these shows. These are some located in CA.
Conan show website http://teamcoco.com/ No email. Just facebook and twitter. On right hand side of page.
Any suggestions/comments would be greatly appreciated. Even if you can't contact everybody, please just contact at least a random selection. I'll post when I'm done making my contacts and I encourage you to do the same to show support.
Somebody should count how many times Socke has been in a group of death by now... he has a chance to advance, but it's not that big tbh :/ Also yay for Stephano vs Polt! :D
On June 04 2012 22:46 RageCommodore wrote: Somebody should count how many times Socke has been in a group of death by now... he has a chance to advance, but it's not that big tbh :/ Also yay for Stephano vs Polt! :D
On June 04 2012 22:46 RageCommodore wrote: Somebody should count how many times Socke has been in a group of death by now... he has a chance to advance, but it's not that big tbh :/ Also yay for Stephano vs Polt! :D
top 1 advances from pools. glhf socke
well he advances from pools no matter what, its just that group winners are in the winners semifinals while everyone else gets seeded into the losers bracket.
On June 02 2012 20:00 TeeTS wrote: Socke, Grubby and Stephano as the only non koreans in the pools. I think NA has definately fallen off now as it seems. There are just no results from NA players anymore. Europe has still a huge pool of strong players who can beat GSL calibre players on a good day. NA needs to step it up!
I don't think it's going to happen until HoTS. People are all playing D3 in NA these days.
NA qualifiers are flooded with koreans which are better than EU players whereas EU qualifier is almost COMPLETELY absent of koreans.
NA has great players but they have harder qualifiers.
true.. i dont like it, but i think mlg have to limit the american qualifiers to people living in america
On June 02 2012 20:00 TeeTS wrote: Socke, Grubby and Stephano as the only non koreans in the pools. I think NA has definately fallen off now as it seems. There are just no results from NA players anymore. Europe has still a huge pool of strong players who can beat GSL calibre players on a good day. NA needs to step it up!
I don't think it's going to happen until HoTS. People are all playing D3 in NA these days.
NA qualifiers are flooded with koreans which are better than EU players whereas EU qualifier is almost COMPLETELY absent of koreans.
NA has great players but they have harder qualifiers.
Sorry for bumping this, but I don´t see the logic in here. I mean let´s see the results of the kor-ams. at the last Arena: SeleCT - Getting knocked out by EU-player Tefel at Arena (LR 1). Mook - Getting knocked out by EU-player ThorZaiN (LR 1) Killer - Getting knocked down by EU-player Ret (WR 1) Rain - Didn´t play against Eu-players at Arena. But in the qualification he defeated NA players, under the same circumstances, in which he lost to many EU-players at NASL - where they have lag to. Sleep - Used to play cups and has <50% winrates aginst Nerchio, sLivko, Goody, Kas, Bly, Cloud, Fraer, (according to mystarcraft.de). To be fair he has a good WR against most Euro-protosses. Idra/HuK - Are american/candian and not korean. viOLet - Well, he won the tournament.
So the "flood of koreans, who are better than Euros" consists of 1 person (viOLet)- About every other one you can´t really say, that they would be better than Euros, until they stop losing to them.
On June 05 2012 20:17 Hadley_ wrote: I just realised that MLG is on the same weekend as the EURO starting weekend... cya European viewership :D
Ye im pretty sure EURO starts at 2am -_-
If I stay up from 2am to 8am (WTF?!) for MLG, I will miss EURO Games... so 95% of the World won't watch MLG, if they plan to watch the EURO.
I highly doubt, that 95% of the world cares about EURO. The americans most likely don´t and I guess a few of the euro´s don´t either. I don´t really care about football, so I might be wrong, but the group-stages aren´t that important, so more peolple would chose an MLG-Final over this, I think.
On June 05 2012 20:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote: only koreans? :/
thats why i pay for gsl... no way im paying for this
What's wrong with Stephano/Grubby/Socke?
Its not as interesting to watch when you know 14 out of top 16 are going to be Koreans. GSL is a totally different story, I wanted to buy a pass for this MLG until I realized that it will be total Korean domination again.
If I want to see the best players/Koreans I watch GSL, thats where they play their best because of preperation time and no travel. MLG is an international tournament so there shouldnt be that many Koreans.
Predicting a full Zerg top X, where X is astronomically high. That, or MKP pulls out the Terran miracle :D
Edit: I don't care about soccer either, so my dilemma is not with the EURO. The GW2 beta week end however...my dual monitor setup will be put to good use...
On June 05 2012 20:17 Hadley_ wrote: I just realised that MLG is on the same weekend as the EURO starting weekend... cya European viewership :D
Ye im pretty sure EURO starts at 2am -_-
If I stay up from 2am to 8am (WTF?!) for MLG, I will miss EURO Games... so 95% of the World won't watch MLG, if they plan to watch the EURO.
I highly doubt, that 95% of the world cares about EURO. The americans most likely don´t and I guess a few of the euro´s don´t either. I don´t really care about football, so I might be wrong, but the group-stages aren´t that important, so more peolple would chose an MLG-Final over this, I think.
#1 You're right. Its more 99.8% #2 No. Poland vs Denmark (both bad like NA Players!) > MLG Final
On June 05 2012 20:17 Hadley_ wrote: I just realised that MLG is on the same weekend as the EURO starting weekend... cya European viewership :D
Ye im pretty sure EURO starts at 2am -_-
If I stay up from 2am to 8am (WTF?!) for MLG, I will miss EURO Games... so 95% of the World won't watch MLG, if they plan to watch the EURO.
I highly doubt, that 95% of the world cares about EURO. The americans most likely don´t and I guess a few of the euro´s don´t either. I don´t really care about football, so I might be wrong, but the group-stages aren´t that important, so more peolple would chose an MLG-Final over this, I think.
#1 You're right. Its more 99.8% #2 No. Poland vs Denmark (both bad like NA Players!) > MLG Final
#1 99.8%? Are you kidding me? Not even germany or england the viewership is that high and I doubt in China/India anyone is even slighly intrested in this. wikipedia says 155 mio., which would be about 2%. Make it 5% for the final.
2# Thats a thing of personal preference, i guess. I would rather watch a 2-hour TvT with Goody and Happy and 40 tanks on each side than a football game, but anyway.
its a going to be a great event and i have my pass however there are way way too many players from one country participating. I shall be cheering all zergs ofc incl Stephano, Koreans and all others, but please please stop this complete swamping of the game by one country as its losing its appeal somewhat. Perhaps next time you have regional qualifiers use the WCS model where they actually have to have residency in that Region.
Very few people would watch Olympics if only USA or Russia participated even though they have dominated the medal rostrum for many decades.
On June 05 2012 20:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote: only koreans? :/
thats why i pay for gsl... no way im paying for this
Who you blamin for this? Koreans are the best so they qualify... If you want to see more foreigners motivate them to practice harder.
he's not blaming anyone he is just saying that he would rather watch foreigners play and not pay a ridiculous price for MLG when he can watch dreamhack for free, at better times for europeans (MLG is 2am-8am on friday for me or something like that...), and he gets to see his favorite foreign player (if he isn't a fan of Grubby Socke or Stephano)
On June 06 2012 04:30 jmbthirteen wrote: you guys know there is an open bracket that will be filled with mostly Americans and some Europeans right?
some europeans? who?
well the EG and Liquid Europeans will be there for sure. Not sure who else as the list hasn't been released yet. but its supposed to come out today. Not gonna be a lot of them, but there will be some.
On June 06 2012 04:30 jmbthirteen wrote: you guys know there is an open bracket that will be filled with mostly Americans and some Europeans right?
some europeans? who?
well the EG and Liquid Europeans will be there for sure. Not sure who else as the list hasn't been released yet. but its supposed to come out today. Not gonna be a lot of them, but there will be some.
oh yeah i forgot about them...
but don't think any other europeans are coming
mlg is kinda making itself very unattractive for EU players and even for US players it's almost impossible to qualify with all the koreans around
i don't expect more than 5 foreigners on championschip sunday
On June 05 2012 20:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote: only koreans? :/
thats why i pay for gsl... no way im paying for this
Who you blamin for this? Koreans are the best so they qualify... If you want to see more foreigners motivate them to practice harder.
I really cant hear that bullshit anymore about "foreigners need to train harder".
Firstly because so many Europeans, especially from the East work their ass off but still will never catch up to the Koreans because of the way things are. (Difference in infrastructure, player pool etc.) Do you want to watch humans with a somewhat normal life like most western professional atheletes or a bunch of kids living under terrible circumstances withdrawn from life playing games 16 hours a day?
Secondly because its stupid to encourage people to give up EVERYTHING for one goal only because a bunch of Koreans do so because of their totally fucked up work ethic.
On June 06 2012 03:26 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: This is the championship the BW legends are coming right?
Yes and no. "This is the championship weekend the BW legends are playing a separate tournament, which happens to be at the same place" would be more like it. I guess they will chicken out of the actual event.
On June 05 2012 20:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote: only koreans? :/
thats why i pay for gsl... no way im paying for this
Who you blamin for this? Koreans are the best so they qualify... If you want to see more foreigners motivate them to practice harder.
I really cant hear that bullshit anymore about "foreigners need to train harder".
Firstly because so many Europeans, especially from the East work their ass off but still will never catch up to the Koreans because of the way things are. (Difference in infrastructure, player pool etc.) Do you want to watch humans with a somewhat normal life like most western professional atheletes or a bunch of kids living under terrible circumstances withdrawn from life playing games 16 hours a day?
Secondly because its stupid to encourage people to give up EVERYTHING for one goal only because a bunch of Koreans do so because of their totally fucked up work ethic.
ROFL yes we should encourage the halfassed casual ones.
On June 05 2012 20:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote: only koreans? :/
thats why i pay for gsl... no way im paying for this
Who you blamin for this? Koreans are the best so they qualify... If you want to see more foreigners motivate them to practice harder.
I really cant hear that bullshit anymore about "foreigners need to train harder".
Firstly because so many Europeans, especially from the East work their ass off but still will never catch up to the Koreans because of the way things are. (Difference in infrastructure, player pool etc.) Do you want to watch humans with a somewhat normal life like most western professional atheletes or a bunch of kids living under terrible circumstances withdrawn from life playing games 16 hours a day?
Secondly because its stupid to encourage people to give up EVERYTHING for one goal only because a bunch of Koreans do so because of their totally fucked up work ethic.
ROFL yes we should encourage the halfassed casual ones.
-.- Foreigners should train hard, but thats what they already do, I just cant hear people saying the should train even hardeER.
its not a question of who is best and trains hardest. We know its Koreans...they play the best SC2 and probably always will. The problem is its hard to get emotionally attached to 20+ Koreans every tournament as it would be to someone from your own country that is just how it is in every sport. There is a reason people cheer on their local teams much of the time.
I want Koreans to always come to the pre-eminent events just not 90% of all matches to be Koreans v Koreans. That does not have a Global market and consequently bodes poorly for a mass market entertainment.
Lets have more tournies that limit Koreans but bar WCS Country / Continental type of events should never bar them all as I like most also want to see the best ....just want some balance.
On June 06 2012 06:19 Ireniicus wrote: its not a question of who is best and trains hardest. We know its Koreans...they play the best SC2 and probably always will. The problem is its hard to get emotionally attached to 20+ Koreans every tournament as it would be to someone from your own country that is just how it is in every sport. There is a reason people cheer on their local teams much of the time.
I want Koreans to always come to the pre-eminent events just not 90% of all matches to be Koreans v Koreans. That does not have a Global market and consequently bodes poorly for a mass market entertainment.
Lets have more tournies that limit Koreans but bar WCS type of events should never bar them all as I like most also want to see the best ....just want some balance.
But that's like COMMUNISM !! Rabble Rabble Rabble! tok er jebs! zZzZ...
To limit and "tax" spots from Koreans would be so akward and bring a essence of fakeness into MLG or other tournaments. You know you are watching lesser player just because of popularity/more viewers/image and not the real thing: Skill. It would be some sort of a sellout.
It is annoying though, would be nicer to see a more even balance, but it's hard to know exactly what to do about it. Ofc it would be fixed if foreigners actually did train harder and show more effort. >_>
Grubby fighting!!! Gonna be tough against Symbol and MKP though =(.Stephano looks like he has a good chance of taking the group if he can take out Polt and Socke is just fucked :p.
Man, couldn't have picked a worse weekend to have to move Good luck Grubby Violet and Socke, but @ TL whoever does the power rankings...Just saying Grubby made it to pools...the er..."Grubby line" should be raised a bit this time huh?
Could you help me decide? This will be my first time buying a MLG pass for seeing the streams, and for me the system is pretty confused, I will like to buy a pass that allow me to see all the year? Is that possible? Could someone explain to me the pass system
I can't find where to purchase the HD pass for this weekend on the site anywhere... When I hit upgrade to HD on the stream page it just tells me more info about what I get, but with no option to actually purchase the pass.
On June 05 2012 20:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote: only koreans? :/
thats why i pay for gsl... no way im paying for this
Who you blamin for this? Koreans are the best so they qualify... If you want to see more foreigners motivate them to practice harder.
I really cant hear that bullshit anymore about "foreigners need to train harder".
Firstly because so many Europeans, especially from the East work their ass off but still will never catch up to the Koreans because of the way things are. (Difference in infrastructure, player pool etc.) Do you want to watch humans with a somewhat normal life like most western professional atheletes or a bunch of kids living under terrible circumstances withdrawn from life playing games 16 hours a day?
Secondly because its stupid to encourage people to give up EVERYTHING for one goal only because a bunch of Koreans do so because of their totally fucked up work ethic.
Koreans have developed the best strategys, are always up to date on new stuff to adapt to and counter foreigners, they share these strats with each other, they arent self centered and egomaniacs like Naniwa or probably Stephano. SC2 community in Korea is much more familiar and openminded. Pros have dozens of practice partners around their level. They can practice with top players, even outside from their team mates, something which isnt gonna happen in Foreign scene, unless you are one of their buddys.
Not even half of the Koreans play 16 hours a day, lol, they would probably do it only 1 week ahead from the event to prepare for their groups.
On June 05 2012 20:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote: only koreans? :/
thats why i pay for gsl... no way im paying for this
Who you blamin for this? Koreans are the best so they qualify... If you want to see more foreigners motivate them to practice harder.
I really cant hear that bullshit anymore about "foreigners need to train harder".
Firstly because so many Europeans, especially from the East work their ass off but still will never catch up to the Koreans because of the way things are. (Difference in infrastructure, player pool etc.) Do you want to watch humans with a somewhat normal life like most western professional atheletes or a bunch of kids living under terrible circumstances withdrawn from life playing games 16 hours a day?
Secondly because its stupid to encourage people to give up EVERYTHING for one goal only because a bunch of Koreans do so because of their totally fucked up work ethic.
Koreans have developed the best strategys, are always up to date on new stuff to adapt to and counter foreigners, they share these strats with each other, they arent self centered and egomaniacs like Naniwa or probably Stephano. SC2 community in Korea is much more familiar and openminded. Pros have dozens of practice partners around their level. They can practice with top players, even outside from their team mates, something which isnt gonna happen in Foreign scene, unless you are one of their buddys.
Not even half of the Koreans play 16 hours a day, lol, they would probably do it only 1 week ahead from the event to prepare for their groups.
I er...Guess you've missed a lot of the interviews, house tours documentaries and other content that illustrates just how hard koreans do train? CSN has great house videos and interviews where you can get a clear idea that most of them in fact do train 8-12 hours per day. IdrA is also very very open with how much he practices, when he's doing a lot or a little and one of the more recent interviews (real talk with JP) he talks about the slayers practice schedule.
Call me insane, but I think when the startale, slayers, and TSL house all have schedules that they follow for practice that they do in fact practice what they say they do
On June 05 2012 20:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote: only koreans? :/
thats why i pay for gsl... no way im paying for this
Who you blamin for this? Koreans are the best so they qualify... If you want to see more foreigners motivate them to practice harder.
I really cant hear that bullshit anymore about "foreigners need to train harder".
Firstly because so many Europeans, especially from the East work their ass off but still will never catch up to the Koreans because of the way things are. (Difference in infrastructure, player pool etc.) Do you want to watch humans with a somewhat normal life like most western professional atheletes or a bunch of kids living under terrible circumstances withdrawn from life playing games 16 hours a day?
Secondly because its stupid to encourage people to give up EVERYTHING for one goal only because a bunch of Koreans do so because of their totally fucked up work ethic.
I want to watch the best games. Nothing more, and nothing less. If a foreigner player doesn't want to practice that much because he feels it's abnormal, that's his choice, but unless he's some sort of genius who can compete at Code S level despite lack of practice, I won't watch him.
On June 05 2012 20:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote: only koreans? :/
thats why i pay for gsl... no way im paying for this
Who you blamin for this? Koreans are the best so they qualify... If you want to see more foreigners motivate them to practice harder.
I really cant hear that bullshit anymore about "foreigners need to train harder".
Firstly because so many Europeans, especially from the East work their ass off but still will never catch up to the Koreans because of the way things are. (Difference in infrastructure, player pool etc.) Do you want to watch humans with a somewhat normal life like most western professional atheletes or a bunch of kids living under terrible circumstances withdrawn from life playing games 16 hours a day?
Secondly because its stupid to encourage people to give up EVERYTHING for one goal only because a bunch of Koreans do so because of their totally fucked up work ethic.
I want to watch the best games. Nothing more, and nothing less. If a foreigner player doesn't want to practice that much because he feels it's abnormal, that's his choice, but unless he's some sort of genius who can compete at Code S level despite lack of practice, I won't watch him.
I agree with Shiori here. The best, most hard-working players are the ones that deserve to be seeded and win events. Foreigners just don't seem to put in the hours that Koreans do, and it's up to them to close the widening skill gap. It's not really about race either, it's about the hours put in that makes someone great at anything (including SC2).
EPT
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